Post by: Hornseeker on October 20, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
Also... What are the major diffs between this cam and the T series, like t3/4/5??
Thanks much
Post by: Hornseeker on October 20, 2014, 06:31:26 PM
Post by: quadrafire on October 20, 2014, 07:09:07 PM
I don't know a bout the acutations, but for a "girl" the T series might not be bad ( unless she has big hands) (inside joke there..LOL)
I bought one for me a few yrs ago and it felt too small, traded it and moved up to a full body 7D and was a better fit for me.
As most will tell you it's not so much the camera, but the lens, so......there you go, my :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2014, 07:15:39 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on October 20, 2014, 08:15:22 PM
If I can't get a great deal on it I'll probs try to find a 40...
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
Canon 60d.
If I can't get a great deal on it I'll probs try to find a 40...
Thanks......
Post by: Bean Counter on October 23, 2014, 03:59:15 AM
To me, they are both crop sensor cameras (APS-C / 1.6x) so if money were tight I wouldn't spend markedly more for a 60D if you can get a T5i for less. Then again I'm not much of an action photographer. If you're going to shoot sports and wildlife you might appreciate the 60D's handling. Image quality, which is a sticking point for me, will be determined by the sensor. IIRC the xxD series cameras don't have a unique line of sensors, so its possible that a T_i and an xxD might have the same sensor, which means the image quality in high ISO shooting should be the same, ceteris paribus.
I upgraded my hella old XTi (aka the 400D) to a full frame 6D last Christmas season and I love it. Full frame means larger sensor which means greater tonal range, shallow depth of field, and better low light performance. ISO 1,600 looked like garbage on my XTi and I couldn't shoot higher than that if i wanted to. I can shoot ISO 16,000 on my 6D and it looks better than the XTi. None of this matters if you eschew creativity and refuse to get your hands dirty with learning the nuts and bolts of how to shoot photos. Better to have that old XTi and know what you're doing than be a toolbag with the most expensive camera on the block who would rather brag about his camera than his photos.
Post by: Hornseeker on October 23, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Honestly... I am leaning towards a lighter and slightly smaller outfit... But am not sold yet, either way. Even with a smaller and lighter cam, I'll probably end up with some sort of heavy zoom lens... so ??? The T2 or 3i would suffice... and to take it further, Im reading all I can of peoples opinions of hte SL1.. .image qual is on par with the T's or the 40/60 for that matter, accd to Rockwell and others... and its MUCH smaller and lighter which means I will probably have it with me more often... It paired with a little prime, like the 40 or 50... would probably get used A LOT...
Thanks for the opinion Bean... I was hoping you'd chime in.
If a guy wanted to pic up an "old" full frame... what would be a good one to look for??? (shoot... I may be in the market for more than one camera!)
HS
Post by: boneaddict on October 23, 2014, 11:00:36 AM
I think the 1 DX is about 6 grand.
5D mark III which is the one I was wanting before all the new stuff came out is about 3,000 ish)
Post by: Bean Counter on October 23, 2014, 11:57:45 AM
Yeah, I have no desire to brag about my camera... the 60d would be a big move for me... I am actually handling one right now.. as I borrowed a friends for a couple days. She has a 18-200 on it that, though is not a super high qual lens... she gets some beautiful shots with... So I will play with it for a few days and see what i think.
Those super zooms are nice all-in-ones if you don't have the time or inclination to change lenses, just keep in mind that if you split pixels that your images will be soft and depth of field will be limited. The first lens every camera owner should start with is the Plastic Fantastic--Nikon and Canon both make a 50mm f/1.8 for about $100. Having a fixed focal length will force you to walk around with your feet and think about your composition, as well as enable nice shallow depth of field for fun bokeh.
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Honestly... I am leaning towards a lighter and slightly smaller outfit... But am not sold yet, either way. Even with a smaller and lighter cam, I'll probably end up with some sort of heavy zoom lens... so ??? The T2 or 3i would suffice... and to take it further, Im reading all I can of peoples opinions of hte SL1.. .image qual is on par with the T's or the 40/60 for that matter, accd to Rockwell and others... and its MUCH smaller and lighter which means I will probably have it with me more often... It paired with a little prime, like the 40 or 50... would probably get used A LOT...
Rock Kenwell posts a ton of great info for about the basics and what's most important to a beginner. However he also frequently posts contradictory information. He makes his money when people buy cameras from following links from his website. That's all great and dandy, but a lot of his stuff is shock jock type articles designed to keep newbies and gear queers reading and clicking on links. Just keep that in mind.
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Thanks for the opinion Bean... I was hoping you'd chime in.
If a guy wanted to pic up an "old" full frame... what would be a good one to look for??? (shoot... I may be in the market for more than one camera!)
The old 5D Mark I can be had for $400-500 used. But the sensor in that camera is so dated that you might be able to get par image quality with a more contemporary crop sensor. The old 5D would be great if you like razor thin depth of field photos. I would make make a list of what it is you want out of a camera. For me, shooting photos of my kids as well as landscapes and other still photos is more important than wildlife or sports shots. That means I can skip the expensive sophisticated multi cross point auto focus systems boasts by the 5D Mark III, the 1DX, or the 7D Mark II. That will likely change when my kids join sports teams, and I may look at (what will then be used) a 1DX or something. Keep in mind that good quality, name brand lenses tend to hold their value well whereas camera bodies will depreciate as time goes on. That old 5DmI used to cost $3,300 less than a decade ago.
You should be able to get one camera to fit all your needs unless your a pro or have very specific use applications. There's nothing that says I can't use my 6D for some wildlife in addition to "easier" photos of kids and what not. Here's a few pics from a road trip I was just on. Note the dark background of the moose. The camera's metering system sees all those dark tones in the background and wants to let more light in to "properly" expose the image. But, because the moose is standing out in the sun, his highlights would be all blown out if I took the cameras mindless metering system at face value. So for full manual settings you'd either need to speed up the shutter about 1.3 stops or use exposure compensation in aperture priority to properly expose the subject. If you had a top of the one 1DX and didn't understand this your photo would look worse than someone shooting my old XTi who make the proper exposure. Blown highlights can't be "photoshopped"!
Post by: huntnphool on October 23, 2014, 12:26:09 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on October 23, 2014, 12:39:02 PM
I just had lunch with my girlfriend. We have talked a lot about cameras the last 8 months or so. Today was the first day she's had her hands on a big one... like the 60d... with that fairly heavy lens... it did not phase her. I told her the pros and cons of it vs the Tseries or the SL. (mainly that the xxd series has more controls "handy" for if you really get into photography and want to quickly and easily manipulate settings... as well as the camera balancing out better with the heavier, more professional type lenses... ) She was all for getting the big heavy camera and "learning" photography...
Heck... worst case scenario... I end up buying another lighter body in a year after realizing the 60d is not for me... Then we have two good cams.
on this 60d... is the top end of this 200mm lens actually 320 cause of the crop factor? I am really impressed with the zoom ability...
Post by: huntnphool on October 23, 2014, 01:28:59 PM
is the top end of this 200mm lens actually 320 cause of the crop factor? I am really impressed with the zoom ability...
Correct, and you will be shooting at f5.6
Post by: Hornseeker on October 23, 2014, 03:49:34 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 23, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 23, 2014, 10:20:20 PM
Well, before I buy any lenses I'll read popes lens write up!
Always buy used, always buy quality, very difficult to lose money that way.
Post by: Hornseeker on October 24, 2014, 07:56:23 AM
Im really enjoying this 60d... I do think its big and heavy... especially with that 18-200 on it... but I imagine I could get used to it...
Post by: quadrafire on October 24, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
Put one of these on it and you'll hardly know you are carrying it. I will never go back to the stock neck strap. This is da bomb. I use it with the 7D with t 70-200 2.8 attached. No problem at all
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/661579-REG/Black_Rapid_RS7_1BB_RS_7_Camera_Strap.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/661579-REG/Black_Rapid_RS7_1BB_RS_7_Camera_Strap.html)
Post by: Bean Counter on October 24, 2014, 08:41:51 AM
Black Friday wont affect the used market...right Bean?
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Meh. It depends on how hard you drive a bargain. Personally, when I'm pricing something to sell on the used market, one factor I look at is what a product costs new. I just would be leery of buying from a professional photographer. They abuse their gear. I've looked in their bag a few times and been like wwww :puke:
Post by: grandpawrichard on October 24, 2014, 08:51:28 AM
If you keep your eyes peeled, you can pickup some awesome deals on lightly used cameras and gear. Of course, you have to stay current on what the gear is worth. Last fall I spotted a fantastic deal on my newest camera, a Canon 5D Mark II complete with a Canon flash, flash cards, a 24-105 L series lens, battery pack with 4 batteries and a Pelican carry case. The camera had 800 clicks on the shutter. The guy was selling the whole kit because he couldn't figure out the controls, so he just wanted to buy a point and shoot camera. I got the whole kit and kaboodle for $2,000. :)
Sure, it's a heavy camera. So is my Canon 7D. But with the right camera strap I have Zero problems packing both of them at once when I'm out taking photos. I wear a camera harness that holds one camera on each side of my body. It equalizes the weight out so that my shoulders and back are supporting the weight, but the cameras are hanging free and handy for me to swing them up and use them. :)
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My wife shoots with a Canon 7D and lenses up to 300mm., so I bought her a harness that supports only 1 camera and lens. She loves it and says it is far easier on her neck and shoulders. :)
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