Post by: csaaphill on October 21, 2014, 10:41:52 PM
Post by: MarkyMark on October 21, 2014, 11:28:07 PM
Post by: huntrights on October 22, 2014, 12:00:51 AM
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Post by: Carl on October 22, 2014, 11:29:53 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
Post by: Griiz on October 22, 2014, 11:36:31 AM
Post by: timberfaller on October 22, 2014, 12:42:07 PM
I won't hold my breath, knowing both RNC and DNC clowns.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 22, 2014, 01:22:36 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on October 22, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
Just got mine today and voted no on 594 and yes on 591 :tup:same :tup: both wife and I.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 22, 2014, 01:28:09 PM
Just got mine today and voted no on 594 and yes on 591 :tup:
Ditto
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 22, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
I don't get it. 591 protects our rights.
He probably didn't read it
Post by: Skillet on October 22, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
Just got mine today and voted no on 594 and yes on 591 :tup:
I also voted correctly. :tup: Dropped the ballot at the courthouse night before last.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 22, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: mossy8352 on October 22, 2014, 01:45:12 PM
Post by: timberfaller on October 22, 2014, 01:53:47 PM
What I have read, what I have been emailed from others is that is sounds all well and good, BUT if the Feds decide to make more taxing laws, the STATE will have to ignore THEIR Constitution and ENFORCE the stricter laws.
Have you been told otherwise??
"unless a uniform national standard is required" I 591??? Pg 17 of the WA voter pamphlet.
It "prohibits" NOTHING.
We all know what a "standard" the left wants!!!
I haven't mailed my in yet, Convince me otherwise on 591
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2014, 02:16:47 PM
"You voted no on 591? That didn't add any regulations, just prohibited future regulations"
What I have read, what I have been emailed from others is that is sounds all well and good, BUT if the Feds decide to make more taxing laws, the STATE will have to ignore THEIR Constitution and ENFORCE the stricter laws.
Have you been told otherwise??
"unless a uniform national standard is required" I 591??? Pg 17 of the WA voter pamphlet.
It "prohibits" NOTHING.
We all know what a "standard" the left wants!!!
We're tied to the federal standard regardless of what that is. All background checks are done federally. You have no choice in that now. This initiative protects us if the WA standard is greater. In addition, the chance that federal law will ever be stiffer than WA state law is almost nill. Federal laws require a majority Senate vote to pass. That means that every state has equal power in the vote, red and blue. In WA, all of our referendums and initiatives are decided by King and Pierce Counties. If the libs don't like a law passed by the state legislature, they just put it on the ballot and Seattle decides for the rest of us.
I-591 protects our rights. You should vote for it.
Post by: Stein on October 22, 2014, 02:39:03 PM
Look at the opponent and proponent list and you can get a pretty good idea of where you may want to stand.
http://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Gun_Rights_Measure,_Initiative_591_%282014%29 (http://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Gun_Rights_Measure,_Initiative_591_%282014%29)
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 22, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
Post by: Hi-Liter on October 22, 2014, 03:05:12 PM
See all the sheriffs opposing 594? 24 out of 39! That is great!
591 is good it will re-enforced the due process of seizing your property and guns, ie search and seizure of the 4th amendment and 2nd amendment. Also, look the 2nd amendment is right to bear arms. If 594 passes and 591 doesn't then there is crap storm of legal work ahead. Courts are going to interpret the federal constitution because that is federal floor and also apply WA Constitution which is stronger. Because essentially everyone who has a gun and if 594 initiative takes affect in December is a criminal because you transferred or loan the gun to someone and did not properly transfer thru the FFL. The reason why the sheriffs are against it is because it will cost so much time and money that can be used elsewhere. 591 will eliminate 594.
Post by: Bofire on October 22, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
Carl
Post by: hughjorgan on October 22, 2014, 07:38:18 PM
I don't get it. 591 protects our rights.
He probably didn't read it
So you guys are ok if we have the morons in DC imposing universal background checks but aren't ok with it if the morons in Seattle impose it? 591 does nothing more than kicking the ball into the court of the U.S. Congress to impose the same thing later on.
Post by: CementFinisher on October 22, 2014, 08:03:11 PM
Post by: blackdog on October 22, 2014, 08:32:58 PM
Post by: csaaphill on October 22, 2014, 09:58:37 PM
"You voted no on 591? That didn't add any regulations, just prohibited future regulations"
What I have read, what I have been emailed from others is that is sounds all well and good, BUT if the Feds decide to make more taxing laws, the STATE will have to ignore THEIR Constitution and ENFORCE the stricter laws.
Have you been told otherwise??
"unless a uniform national standard is required" I 591??? Pg 17 of the WA voter pamphlet.
It "prohibits" NOTHING.
I too strugled with the language on unless theres a national standard. Which very much could mean that if a national standard is set that were all to undergo backgroundchecks even for private sales then ye were screwed. But I think it would have been far more prudent to have voted yes to 591. At least you got half of it right :chuckle: :dunno: :twocents: at least 594 will have an extra no vote!
We all know what a "standard" the left wants!!!
I haven't mailed my in yet, Convince me otherwise on 591
Post by: huntrights on October 22, 2014, 11:03:44 PM
I don't get it. 591 protects our rights.
He probably didn't read it
So you guys are ok if we have the morons in DC imposing universal background checks but aren't ok with it if the morons in Seattle impose it? 591 does nothing more than kicking the ball into the court of the U.S. Congress to impose the same thing later on.
Not sure where the confusion is on this. Don't over-analyze this issue.
I-594 is ANTI-GUN to its core; we all know this. VOTE NO on I-594 (The ANTI-GUN Initiative)
If I-594 passes and I-591 does not, we are screwed; we lose rights, freedoms, and liberties; law-abiding citizens can easily become felons due to I-594 (The ANTI-GUN Initiative).
I-591 must pass in order to counter I-594 if I-594 passes; that is why I-591 is there.
If I-594 fails and I-591 passes, there is no harm done, no loss of our rights, no loss of freedoms, and no loss of liberties.
If anyone would like to add to this comment, feel free.
Post by: biggfish on October 23, 2014, 01:38:20 AM
If the morons in DC impose universal background checks we would become subject to them regardless of the turn out of these initiatives. 591 would block Washington from impose gun restriction laws. States can only make stricter regulations than the Federal ones, but must always follow Federal regulations.I don't get it. 591 protects our rights.
He probably didn't read it
So you guys are ok if we have the morons in DC imposing universal background checks but aren't ok with it if the morons in Seattle impose it? 591 does nothing more than kicking the ball into the court of the U.S. Congress to impose the same thing later on.
Post by: timberfaller on October 23, 2014, 07:55:57 AM
The Democrats and RINO'S will keep the pressure on to become a Socialist nation until AMERICA wakes up :bash:
I have my doughts since so many GUN owners cast votes for Democrats :dunno: ARE you that ignorant?? :yike:
Post by: Jacque on October 23, 2014, 08:07:32 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2014, 08:30:56 AM
I've seen the light!! Thanks All!! I've changed my vote to yes, better get a little while we can!!!
The Democrats and RINO'S will keep the pressure on to become a Socialist nation until AMERICA wakes up :bash:
I have my doughts since so many GUN owners cast votes for Democrats :dunno: ARE you that ignorant?? :yike:
Right on, Timber. Good on you!
Post by: splitshot on October 23, 2014, 08:43:44 AM
Post by: rim_runner on October 23, 2014, 10:12:07 AM
Post by: Kittman on October 23, 2014, 10:22:28 AM
594 = No
Post by: starbailey on October 23, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
591- yes
594 - No
Post by: JohnVH on October 23, 2014, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: huntrights on October 23, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
VOTE YES on I-591 (Protect Our Gun Rights)
VOTE NO on I-594 (The ANTI-GUN Initiative)
Post by: huntrights on October 23, 2014, 10:43:08 AM
Got the above, thats a no brainer, what about all the people, somewhere I seen a list of who was the best to vote for, for our interests.. anyone have that link?
NRA-PVF Grades and Endorsements
https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/washington/
You still should do some research of your own, but this will keep you from making really BAD voting mistakes.
:twocents:
Vote for:
Dan Griffey for Representative in Legislative District 35.
Tim Sheldon for Senator in Legislative District 35.
Joyce McDonald for Congresswoman in Congressional District 10.
Bud Blake for Commissioner in Thurston County District 3.
Post by: Hi-Liter on October 23, 2014, 10:47:46 AM
Hopefully its fails!
Post by: blackdog on October 23, 2014, 11:19:35 AM
Post by: csaaphill on October 23, 2014, 07:52:31 PM
I've seen the light!! Thanks All!! I've changed my vote to yes, better get a little while we can!!!:yeah: :tup:
The Democrats and RINO'S will keep the pressure on to become a Socialist nation until AMERICA wakes up :bash:
I have my doughts since so many GUN owners cast votes for Democrats :dunno: ARE you that ignorant?? :yike:
strait up thought you'd already mailed it good we caugh you in time :chuckle:
Post by: hughjorgan on October 23, 2014, 08:53:48 PM
I don't get it. 591 protects our rights.
He probably didn't read it
So you guys are ok if we have the morons in DC imposing universal background checks but aren't ok with it if the morons in Seattle impose it? 591 does nothing more than kicking the ball into the court of the U.S. Congress to impose the same thing later on.
Not sure where the confusion is on this. Don't over-analyze this issue.
I-594 is ANTI-GUN to its core; we all know this. VOTE NO on I-594 (The ANTI-GUN Initiative)
If I-594 passes and I-591 does not, we are screwed; we lose rights, freedoms, and liberties; law-abiding citizens can easily become felons due to I-594 (The ANTI-GUN Initiative).
I-591 must pass in order to counter I-594 if I-594 passes; that is why I-591 is there.
If I-594 fails and I-591 passes, there is no harm done, no loss of our rights, no loss of freedoms, and no loss of liberties.
If anyone would like to add to this comment, feel free.
It is pretty improbable that both of these initiatives pass. Those that are for gun control are going to vote for 594 and against 591. Who in their right mind would vote YES on both contradicting initiatives because that is what it would take for both to pass. Hopefully there are enough informed voters to see 594 for what it is :pee: