Post by: Nice Racks on October 28, 2014, 06:57:37 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 28, 2014, 07:04:02 PM
Where are you going with this buddy?
:chuckle:
Crap comes their way based on the way they come across and introduce themselves. I've given some great information to people on here.
People don't get upset, it's more of a reality check for the person asking, "where is a general area to hunt for nice deer/elk etc..." The WOODS.. People who are more successful don't hunt in wildly different areas generally speaking but they hunt harder and smarter.
Post by: Nice Racks on October 28, 2014, 07:10:33 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 28, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
If I were an administrator here I would include a warning when new members sign up. Something like "first time posters who ask for honey hole giveaways usually don't get a warm welcome."
Yes, I am a honey hole :sas:
Post by: huntnnw on October 28, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Post by: bowguy on October 28, 2014, 10:14:03 PM
Post by: predkiller on October 28, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Post by: huntnnw on October 28, 2014, 10:34:51 PM
Ill give all the info that I have on OIL tags and limited tags
Post by: runamuk on October 28, 2014, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 29, 2014, 12:36:46 AM
If you want to learn how to scout, I will help as much as I can. You want to learn behavior of a species, lets see what I can do. You want some tips on how to stalk within bow range successfully, let's discuss it. You need help understanding the WDFW harvest reports by region, bring it on! You want detailed information about a general area I've spent my life scouting and getting to know? - Open public forum is not the place!!!
With that said, I think some participants of forums forget there is such a thing as "Ignoring a Thread". Many jerk the knee before making sure their face is out of the way. Sometimes I write a response, read it, and then delete...I'm messed in the head, I guess. But, it makes me feel better without finding the need to be abrasive. ;)
Now that all changes when no one responds to a Newb and then they sound off creating hate and discontent for no one helping them. When I was a kid temper tantrums usually resulted in getting a spanking! I think that is fair game on a forum as well :tung:
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 29, 2014, 04:53:20 AM
This site has honestly gone backwards! When I first found it I looked and watched it for quite a while once I finally joined people would lend a hand and give a area with some spots to checkout. I know spots are hard to discover and understand what animals are gonna do in them, but news flash I guarantee others know about your honey hole as others I know have been threw mine. I'm just tired of all the negativity on here. I know everyone's time is valuable , but some people are not able to make it scouting due to money or busy life. Personally this year I made 5 trips into my spot then fire shut me down a month before season and all my weekends were planned until I left for hunting. I got lucky by them reopening the unit but all my scouting went up in smoke. Give people a break I know some want hand me outs but some really need help when asking.
The site has gone backwards because it doesn't give as much free information as it used to? Thank heavens.
:dunno:
It's the name of the game. Things happen and I don't care how genuinely someone "needs help" I'm not going to give a spot in the NE any more specific than GMU. It took me over 4 years of scouting months out of the year to take my first elk.
Everybody can cook up a sob story but that doesn't mean anyone deserves free hunting advice. If they need "meat for the freezer" then I point them to the nearest supermarket where they can responsibly get a return on investment.
Post by: huntnnw on October 29, 2014, 05:05:52 AM
Post by: MADMAX on October 29, 2014, 06:17:17 AM
most of its pretty general to where you can legally hunt and expect to see animals.
family gets the best info
close friends next
internet guy I have never talked to before
Jefferson county for blacktails
Methow for mulies
Colockum for elk
I have scouted with guys from here and had a great time and we split the gas
Hell I dont even have a honey hole and I have been hunting for over 40 years
Places change, cuts grow up, gates go in
and I enjoyed the Winston late hunt in the 90s if I could find a place to camp.
Post by: ribka on October 29, 2014, 08:05:55 AM
NE WA elk is very uptight...these elk are hard to find and hunt..and to give that info to someone who has barely hunted around here is why I get upset..I have 1,000's of miles hiked and over 20 years of knowledge to know what I know and I am not going to give that info to people, but my dad and close friends. Ill gladly give tips on how to hunt areas and general areas that have elk.:tup:
more than happy to help active members , military posted overseas, truly handicapped ( not the fake ones) with the draw tags and general info. Made mistake first year helping a supposed severely handicapped guy with an elk tag. He showed up as a 22 year old health young guy who was on disability due to a sore wrist from hanging dry wall. Another "handicapped" guy brought all his friends the next year and ruined a very good deer area i had shown him.
lHave seen more than a few really good bird, deer duck elk, fishing areas ruined on here over the years with info posted openly on here to people asking for a handout. Seems many in our current culture always have an excuse for not wanting to put forth effort
Would not give out ne elk, high hunt, premier muley areas openly on internet.
Post by: h2ofowlr on October 29, 2014, 08:14:55 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 29, 2014, 08:19:24 AM
Post by: kentrek on October 29, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
I don't understand it, personally when looking for a new place I kinda like to use the search menu and plug in creeks an mtns. .when nothing comes up...then I have a place to go scoute
To each there own tho
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2014, 08:29:58 AM
:yeah: speaking of!! i went out yesterday to my honey hole that only me and my buddy knew of and last year we harvested 2 really nice 2x3s and there were alot more in there, we saw deer every single time we went in there it was a pick and choose what you want unit really. but we decided to leave it cold until this year, pretty secluded and hard to find.. went there yesterday and it looked like the olympic discovery trail with all the foot tracks and traffic it has had and i didnt see a single deer let alone a track.. i know i didnt tell anyone about it but i havent talked to him in quite a while :bash:depending on the area I had a spot on the Olympic Penninsula that I was told about and it was full of critters lots of deer the first year the second year scouting one day I went in and the weed pickers were in there after that I think I saw one deer and no more tracks etc. About that same time I know that a weed picking van was busted in that area and when they searched the van there were 30 deer under the tree bows.
Post by: schnitrr on October 29, 2014, 08:46:07 AM
Post by: gr8whthunter on October 29, 2014, 08:47:39 AM
:yeah: speaking of!! i went out yesterday to my honey hole that only me and my buddy knew of and last year we harvested 2 really nice 2x3s and there were alot more in there, we saw deer every single time we went in there it was a pick and choose what you want unit really. but we decided to leave it cold until this year, pretty secluded and hard to find.. went there yesterday and it looked like the olympic discovery trail with all the foot tracks and traffic it has had and i didnt see a single deer let alone a track.. i know i didnt tell anyone about it but i havent talked to him in quite a while :bash:depending on the area I had a spot on the Olympic Penninsula that I was told about and it was full of critters lots of deer the first year the second year scouting one day I went in and the weed pickers were in there after that I think I saw one deer and no more tracks etc. About that same time I know that a weed picking van was busted in that area and when they searched the van there were 30 deer under the tree bows.
i sure hope that isnt the same spot, it was really a great area to hunt me and the same buddy got a 410# black bear out of the same area and there was another in there that we left until this year, but same it was nowhere, no new sign nothin
Post by: kramman on October 29, 2014, 09:13:46 AM
Having been on both ends, asking for and asked for help I believe there are a couple things to consider. I will use myself as an example. I hunt mostly in 2 units neither one has bull elk permits so if ever get drawn(12 pts?) I will b on here probably asking for help. Does that mean I want coordinates to your honey hole no but any info on roads camping and general areas to go or avoid is a good starting point. I can do my own scouting. Also if youve ever been given specific help its good to pass it forward and return the favor. If givena honey hole it is not ok to tell a friend and a cousin respect what has been given.
So to those of you who question ' why do u put in for units you've never been to my answer is simple. I can't b in the eniat the blues the n.e. bethel okanagon peahes ridge teanaway baseball practice ppicking up kids from school soccer games wife's date night work Xmas birthdays holidays. If someone can figure out how to do it all and b in every unit I put in for I'mall ears.
Most of us are on here because we enjoy hunting, talking about and thinking about hunting. So if you get good advice let that person know how your hunt went it may go along ways.And next year when I get drawn for the eniat buck tag, peaches ridge muzzy bull and n.e. moose I'llneed all the help iI can get.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 29, 2014, 10:13:16 AM
Post by: irishevox on October 29, 2014, 11:48:22 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 29, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 29, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on October 29, 2014, 02:20:17 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 29, 2014, 03:07:45 PM
What about military that when they get back from deployment and hadn't had time to scout?
Well I would say that is not really a great excuse. I say that as someone who's been there and done that.
I've spent time on deployments before and during hunting season that limited my time in the woods but I would never think to rely on someone else's scouting and goodwill. I guess I am more of a "rugged individualist" when it comes to this.
Post by: irishevox on October 29, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 29, 2014, 03:13:03 PM
i would say it is.... if you are deployed for 8 months and you come back in the middle of season, i think maybe someone should lend you a hand at least point you in the right direction
Fair enough but I would say if you need to be pointed in the right direction it's because you don't know much about hunting not because you've been gone for eight months. Meaning that spots don't really change in a year unless drastic changes occur.
Post by: westsidehntr on October 29, 2014, 03:13:56 PM
i would say it is.... if you are deployed for 8 months and you come back in the middle of season, i think maybe someone should lend you a hand at least point you in the right direction
It is nice if somebody does but to say somebody should help you out sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I appreciate those who serve and thank them but that doesn't mean they are entitled to mine or anyone's hunting areas. :dunno:
Post by: vandeman17 on October 29, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
Post by: irishevox on October 29, 2014, 03:34:39 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 29, 2014, 04:48:20 PM
I love how some of you "think" you own the public areas and sometimes it disheartining to think that some of ya'll are such tight wads you don;t want to help a new hunter (not talking about me, i'm not new). :cmp1:
how do you believe that someone thinks they own public land because they don't want to share the knowledge they have spent years or decades learning? it is still public land and if someone finds it then so be it... but a guy has absolutely zero obligation to share any info about any public land... do you spill every piece of your knowledge about an area to anyone?
Post by: Eli346 on October 29, 2014, 07:43:23 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 29, 2014, 08:47:35 PM
I love how some of you "think" you own the public areas and sometimes it disheartining to think that some of ya'll are such tight wads you don;t want to help a new hunter (not talking about me, i'm not new). :cmp1:
how do you believe that someone thinks they own public land because they don't want to share the knowledge they have spent years or decades learning? it is still public land and if someone finds it then so be it... but a guy has absolutely zero obligation to share any info about any public land... do you spill every piece of your knowledge about an area to anyone?
:yeah:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 29, 2014, 09:00:35 PM
Post by: pd on October 29, 2014, 09:28:33 PM
That said, I will always share information on what I know, if you are willing to put in the effort to ask. I have a great spot for elk (deer, not so much), 1,000's of photographs on my game cameras, many trips to the woods. Great spot, except that I have never seen an elk there during the season. :o You are welcome to join the pain.
Post by: huntnnw on October 29, 2014, 09:34:42 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 29, 2014, 10:02:01 PM
I have a much different approach to this topic. I don't believe in "honey holes," in the sense that there are no secret spots (at least on public lands). Somebody else will surely know about any area.
That said, I will always share information on what I know, if you are willing to put in the effort to ask. I have a great spot for elk (deer, not so much), 1,000's of photographs on my game cameras, many trips to the woods. Great spot, except that I have never seen an elk there during the season. :o You are welcome to join the pain.
I'm going to go ahead and say you do not have a honey hole. Maybe a good spot for trail camera action but if you've never seen an elk, yeah not a honey hole friend.
and also what huntnnw said, there are places I hunt that I've never had to worry about added pressure. I have a dozen or more spots that are productive and honestly not that far from the road.
Post by: huntnnw on October 29, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
Plus some of my elk spots are void of people and have yet to see a hunter in some of them since I started hunting them.
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 29, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
I hunt places in ferry..that are by highways and I watch droves of rigs drive right by. This will be year 5 in there and have yet to see a archer or anyone on cam. All my spots are like this.
Plus some of my elk spots are void of people and have yet to see a hunter in some of them since I started hunting them.
:yeah:
For me it's like this, if I have "a spot" and then I see sign of others in there, it ceases to be "my spot". This because I do not want to hunt where other people are hunting. It's a luxury to have but I know people on the west side who do the same thing.
I'm pretty sure when JPhelps shot that "320 Pe Ell bull that he was in a pretty secretive spot.
Post by: runamuk on October 29, 2014, 10:40:26 PM
I wont divulge my spots for seeing unusual birds either, or where the owls nest, or...lol I am a heck of secret keeper.
Post by: LeviD1 on October 30, 2014, 12:58:02 AM