Post by: Angry Perch on November 08, 2014, 10:41:06 AM
I carry a flip phone.
I'm not a fan of moving parts.
I prefer to shoot my .243 over my 30.06, and I don't own anything with the word "magnum" after it.
I understand that whether I get run over by a freight train or a Subaru, the results are the same (although one's a little messier)
When I traded in the Subaru for an F-150, I bought the previous year's model, and had to search for a something that wasn't the "FX-4" model and had a V-8 instead of a new fangled twin turbo...
All that being said, I am not cheap by any means. I just don't buy into the newest, next best hype.
I am 6', 245lbs, and my 20 something year old PSE just doesn't turn my crank anymore.
* If you drive an FX-4 and shoot a 300 RUM, I mean no offense. You're just more of a man than me!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 08, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
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Post by: Angry Perch on November 08, 2014, 11:02:59 AM
It's a serious question, posed in a (meant to be) funny way. I want a new bow, and want quality and durability. Shootability (?) is more important to me than flat out speed. I plan to try and get out and shoot as many as feasible, but there are so many choices, it's pretty overwhelming. I also don't know if there are certain things (single cam, 2 cam, no cam, carbon...) that make a bow inherently more or less durable, and require more or less maintenance. I don't plan on being a hardcore bowhunter, but enjoy shooting, and would like to take advantage of the early, and possibly late, part of my next multi-season tag, and see where it goes from there.
Post by: Skillet on November 08, 2014, 11:49:54 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on November 08, 2014, 12:26:06 PM
Tagging
...tagging so you can laugh at me when I buy a carbon-nitro-supernova??? I try to keep things in check, but it doesn't always work out. Like when a buddy said "Oh, if we're taking your boat on the river, you need to get an i-pilot and a new humminbird". That's when my wife asked what the price per pound for walleye was.
Post by: Cylvertip on November 08, 2014, 12:44:51 PM
I will also ad that as an engineer, the mechanics of a twin cam sure make a lot more sense to me than that of a single cam.
My :twocents:
Post by: Skillet on November 08, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Tagging
...tagging so you can laugh at me when I buy a carbon-nitro-supernova??? I try to keep things in check, but it doesn't always work out. Like when a buddy said "Oh, if we're taking your boat on the river, you need to get an i-pilot and a new humminbird". That's when my wife asked what the price per pound for walleye was.
Oh, no way man... you know me. I'm just here to emotionally support and nurture you in your decision. :chuckle:
And, I might be looking at upgrading my 18 year old Hoyt next year as well. As we all know, deer are WAY tougher than they were 20 years ago. As i understand it now, we can't kill them anymore with our old gear.
Post by: Skillet on November 16, 2014, 02:24:44 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 16, 2014, 02:30:57 PM
Tagging
...tagging so you can laugh at me when I buy a carbon-nitro-supernova??? I try to keep things in check, but it doesn't always work out. Like when a buddy said "Oh, if we're taking your boat on the river, you need to get an i-pilot and a new humminbird". That's when my wife asked what the price per pound for walleye was.
Oh, no way man... you know me. I'm just here to emotionally support and nurture you in your decision. :chuckle:
And, I might be looking at upgrading my 18 year old Hoyt next year as well. As we all know, deer are WAY tougher than they were 20 years ago. As i understand it now, we can't kill them anymore with our old gear.
You mean my long bow is now Obsolete!!!! :'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Skillet on November 16, 2014, 02:54:05 PM
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Post by: xXLojackXx on November 17, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 17, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
Post by: Lucky1 on November 17, 2014, 07:53:00 PM
Post by: billdo5 on November 17, 2014, 08:03:35 PM
Post by: jburkett on November 17, 2014, 08:47:11 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 17, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
I probably wouldn't buy anything new if you are tight on the wallet and are a drive it into the ground type of guy. I'd probably be looking at a couple year old Hoyt like a Vector or even an older UltraTech or ProTech. Plenty of speed, bullet proof and easy to shoot.:yeah:
I agree.
Post by: follow maggie on November 17, 2014, 09:13:52 PM
Post by: elk247 on November 17, 2014, 09:40:05 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 17, 2014, 09:44:27 PM
I would buy a 2001 Mathews Ultra 2. Tried + true and resale value are two things you won't find in most bows. These bows are fully customized with new technology. Spot Hogg 5 pin w/ level bubble currently sighted in to 50,100,150,200, and 250yds. This bow is a stick flinging .243 (slightly less kick of course). The fps is just shy of the speed of sound (animals can't jump the string if they don't hear it comin') it has a rip cord rest; (add a whisker biscuit and flip over if your Lefty')thisthese bows can be run into the ground/used as a walking stick. They have adjustable harmonic dampeners, custom strings, rad peep, new cables and a glass bedded handmade wood handle. The tight spot quiver will hold arrows steady through the most contagious of buck fever's. The 12" camouflage stabilizer can be removed and used as a dependable conceled digging stick in case you need to SSS (discretely) or take a dump some where semi-public (stab is a tp roll holder once reinstalled) If this package sounds too good to be true it's because it is. They don't make them like this anymore. This thing has more class and comfort than listening to your favorite Micky-blue-eyes song in silk boxers on a courdory couch. Depending on your health this very well could be the last bow you will ever own. Why buy some fancy-pants bow that weighs less than a water bottle and never killed anything? This bow has a blood stained handle. This is a steal. It's the archery equivalent of buying a '55 Bel Air in 1969 when the Chevy Citations were the "new concept car of the future" If your looking for a hoyt-t-toity bow or a blowtech then this is not the bow for you. This bow picks up chicks, those bows are picked up by chicks. The Mathews ultra 2's wrist strap literally has hair on it. Sorry for the long winded reply, but that's what I would buy even if it still costs full msrp.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Is that just shy of the speed of sound at sea level or at elevation?
Post by: elk247 on November 17, 2014, 09:54:17 PM
Post by: Seahawk12 on November 17, 2014, 09:54:33 PM
I would buy a 2001 Mathews Ultra 2. Tried + true and resale value are two things you won't find in most bows. These bows are fully customized with new technology. Spot Hogg 5 pin w/ level bubble currently sighted in to 50,100,150,200, and 250yds. This bow is a stick flinging .243 (slightly less kick of course). The fps is just shy of the speed of sound (animals can't jump the string if they don't hear it comin') it has a rip cord rest; (add a whisker biscuit and flip over if your Lefty')thisthese bows can be run into the ground/used as a walking stick. They have adjustable harmonic dampeners, custom strings, rad peep, new cables and a glass bedded handmade wood handle. The tight spot quiver will hold arrows steady through the most contagious of buck fever's. The 12" camouflage stabilizer can be removed and used as a dependable conceled digging stick in case you need to SSS (discretely) or take a dump some where semi-public (stab is a tp roll holder once reinstalled) If this package sounds too good to be true it's because it is. They don't make them like this anymore. This thing has more class and comfort than listening to your favorite Micky-blue-eyes song in silk boxers on a courdory couch. Depending on your health this very well could be the last bow you will ever own. Why buy some fancy-pants bow that weighs less than a water bottle and never killed anything? This bow has a blood stained handle. This is a steal. It's the archery equivalent of buying a '55 Bel Air in 1969 when the Chevy Citations were the "new concept car of the future" If your looking for a hoyt-t-toity bow or a blowtech then this is not the bow for you. This bow picks up chicks, those bows are picked up by chicks. The Mathews ultra 2's wrist strap literally has hair on it. Sorry for the long winded reply, but that's what I would buy even if it still costs full msrp.
Did you just post that for sale in the classified section? :chuckle:
Cuz I want one!!!!!
Post by: RadSav on November 17, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
I don't know what you mean by elevation. I've only had that bow to 11,000 feet so I'm not sure how it will do at a higher elevation. It has shot geese at sea level though.
I was just thinking that if it is just shy at sea level you just might get a big kaboom at that 11,000' :whoo:
Post by: elk247 on November 17, 2014, 10:38:22 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 17, 2014, 10:43:06 PM
400 FPS is just about unreachable, 1125ft per second (speed of sound) is a looooong ways to go :o
Post by: elk247 on November 17, 2014, 11:05:19 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 18, 2014, 07:49:59 AM
:dunno: I have trucker's ear and shoot right handed, so no worries. Although you do raise a good point, I should carry an e-perb on account-a the avalanche potential. Guess i will make up a dozen sub-alpine flu-flu's for safty's sake.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
I have truckers ear too. But I'd be much more worried about my left hand!
That was worth the thread jack IMO. That was dang funny ;)
One the serious side...If I were really hard on bows I'd want to stick with limbs that are nearly indestructible and cams with a solid bearing and decent string groove depth and width. I'd also want very few accessories with moving parts and loose tolerances. Hoyt laminated or Bear Injection molded limbs would be tops on my list. Skeleton cams are fast, but easily damaged. That is why I mentioned the UltraTech and ProTech as those cams were a bit more solid built, limbs were strong and risers were still stiff. Quite a bit different than the "Sacrific Everything For Speed" bows of today.
The first Monster might not be a bad choice either. If you don't mind the five pounds dry.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 18, 2014, 07:55:21 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 18, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
Get a year-old Hoyt just to tick Radsav off. You should be able to get a brand new 2014 top of the line Hoyt Carbon Element for about $900 from a dealer.
Why would that tick Rad off?
He's telling people to buy a hoyt about every other post :chuckle:
:peep:
Post by: h20hunter on November 18, 2014, 01:37:28 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 18, 2014, 01:51:19 PM
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2014, 02:04:49 PM
Its what i shoot. I got one because several of the hunters/shooters from SilverArrow Bowmen have said that they think it was the best(or darn near) combination of speed, shootability, and a cam that doesnt eat strings and cables like so many of the "faster" bows now....
It MAY be possible that the new mathews camless bow wont eat the cables and string and still keep awesome speed. If your a RH shooter you can likely find a switchback for $350-$500. I found a used one for my brotherinlaw that had arrows broadheads and card case for $450... It was a smoking deal and i picked it up within 3 hrs of being posted. There are lots of great bows, but a switchback is the only model i have heard or several people holding on to. :twocents:
Post by: RadSav on November 18, 2014, 02:24:01 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on November 18, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
As for the Ultra 2, my wife wouldn't let me out of the house with that chick magnet. The vector is downright ugly! I could take it out whenever I wanted to without any concern of being trampled by bow groupies.
Post by: RadSav on November 18, 2014, 04:00:21 PM
Vector 32? Vector 35? Vector Turbo? What are the pros and cons of longer/ shorter ATA length?
Well the Turbo is about getting average bow speed out of a Hoyt at the expense of stability and shootability :chuckle: Or if you are height challenged like so many Hoyt groupies :yike:
The 32 and 35 are very much a personal fit decision. The 32" is maneuverable through brush and quite nice if you want to shoot steep downhill shots from a sitting position as you would in a treestand. I find the short length is also nice if you hunt from a smaller ground blind as you don't have to worry so much about hitting the ceiling. The 35" cuts down on extreme string angle when your draw length is longer, it is a slightly more stable platform not so temperamental to heal and throat pressure. Many feel it is an easier bow to shoot consistently with. And for me I think the slightly longer bow carries nicer and balances nicer when a quiver is attached. Generally speaking the shorter the bow the larger the cam and the larger the cam the larger the force draw curve. Allowing equivalent speed with a less radical draw cycle or a slight speed advantage with the same draw cycle.
With modern parallel limb designs the differences with 30 and 35" A2A lengths don't add up to much difference as far as stability against torque. Pretty much a 7" brace height 30" bow will be as torque free as a 7" brace height 35" bow. Comes down to draw length and the preference of the shooter and not much else.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 18, 2014, 04:21:57 PM
So many option. But if I were looking for bargain, long haul bow. Used would be my go to. Personally I would stick with one of the bigger companies due to parts/accessories compatibility. The ultra tech - alphamax years in hoyts IMO are very nearly indestructible. But u pay a weight penalty and performance is not as sexy as other bows. The wonderful switch back from Mathews is another bow that will endure alot of punishment and they shoot so sweet. I have never been a big bowtech fan but the Admiral and General were absolutely amazing shooters for me. And seemed to be pretty durable compared.to some of their counterparts. The velvet finish they had was nifty as well. Don't know why they quit using it.
It seems many of the companies listened to their customers, and got tired of elite stealing them and put the shootability and durability in front of super lightweight and speed. At least this year's crop of bows seems to point that way. IMO. So if your wanting to plunge and go all out new I think alot of this years options would suit you well for many years of trouble free shooting.
Post by: ridgefire on November 18, 2014, 08:21:11 PM
Post by: RadSav on November 18, 2014, 08:30:51 PM
pretty much any hoyt is what your looking for.
Repeat after me...Hoyt is the almighty! Hoyt is the answer! Hoyt is the almighty! Hoyt is all you will ever need! Hoyt is the Almighty!
Post by: hollymaster on November 18, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
pretty much any hoyt is what your looking for.
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Repeat after me...Hoyt is the almighty! Hoyt is the answer! Hoyt is the almighty! Hoyt is all you will ever need! Hoyt is the Almighty!
Post by: Crunchy on November 18, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Post by: BAR C3 on November 18, 2014, 08:49:36 PM
Switchback in my opinion is the best bow Mathews has produced under the Mathews name. I would not consider that limb a bullet proof limb, however. It is about the only weak point in that bow design, but it is a weak point if you are looking for a tough as nails long relationship bow. Of course like so many bows out there you can take the factory grip and throw it in the trash with out any guilt ;):yeah:
I still have my Switchback. I have shot every Mathews and Hoyt since I bought my bow. The only bow and nicest bow I've ever shot is the original Mathews Z7. I couldn't find a flaw with it! But Not nice enough to replace my Switchback!
Post by: steeleywhopper on November 18, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
Im going to check out whats coming for 2015 and get another one.
Post by: Special T on November 18, 2014, 09:14:37 PM
Post by: elk247 on November 18, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
Post by: huntnnw on November 19, 2014, 05:24:37 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 19, 2014, 09:14:40 AM
Post by: Special T on November 19, 2014, 09:34:08 AM
Post by: Band on November 19, 2014, 10:44:32 AM
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Anyway, buy the cheapest used bow you can find at Goodwill and put on a Rad peep and you'll be shooting like a champ in no time. :IBCOOL:
You're welcome. :hello:
Post by: BABackcountryBwhntr on November 20, 2014, 04:22:06 PM
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Post by: Becky on November 21, 2014, 01:22:41 AM
Sorry op. :jacked: everything I said about the best bow ever the ultra 2 is true. Well... Except that the pins are set to 20-60 yds. It does nail +100 yrd shots on the 3d range with stunning accuracy.
I am witness to your 100+ yard bulls-eye, with picture proof :chuckle:
Who do you think is the local president of the Hoyt Fan club.....helllllloooo.....Mr. RadSav presiding!
I could have SWORN that was D-rock :dunno:
Post by: Taco280AI on November 21, 2014, 01:51:12 AM
Post by: Angry Perch on April 22, 2015, 02:38:01 PM
I probably wouldn't buy anything new if you are tight on the wallet and are a drive it into the ground type of guy. I'd probably be looking at a couple year old Hoyt like a Vector or even an older UltraTech or ProTech. Plenty of speed, bullet proof and easy to shoot.
What about the Hoyt CRX? Rampage? Is the fuel Cam a lot different from the RKT? Other differences? This is getting back towards the top of the list.
Post by: Bean Counter on April 22, 2015, 02:59:56 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 22, 2015, 03:47:01 PM
If it says hoyt.. your good to go...
:lol4:
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2015, 03:50:36 PM
I'd look into something with a lifetime warranty if I were you. And for shoot ability, Elite would fit both those requirements.another vote for elite!
Post by: RadSav on April 22, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
I probably wouldn't buy anything new if you are tight on the wallet and are a drive it into the ground type of guy. I'd probably be looking at a couple year old Hoyt like a Vector or even an older UltraTech or ProTech. Plenty of speed, bullet proof and easy to shoot.
What about the Hoyt CRX? Rampage? Is the fuel Cam a lot different from the RKT? Other differences? This is getting back towards the top of the list.
Only real difference I noticed between the Fuel and the Rocket cam was the valley. The RKT cam seems to have a larger flat on the bottom of the valley. That allows a little more creep before it jerks your shoulder loose ;) Rocket cam is ever so slightly faster in rating. Pretty much red apples to green apples.
Post by: longwalker on April 22, 2015, 04:09:42 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2015, 04:26:09 PM
Just don't go shoot an elite if you want to buy a bowtech, Hoyt, Mathews ect. Because you won't, you'll buy the elite:yeah: First time I shot one, I knew it was my next bow! You almost feel like you have to push the string forward to release it, and damn smooth.
Post by: Rainier10 on April 22, 2015, 04:29:13 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 24, 2015, 09:37:23 AM
I would look real hard at elite and will when I am ready for a new bow. Met the owner and the local rep the other day, pretty impressed with the talk and the product. Just not ready to upgrade just yet.You can shoot the elite at sportco in Fife, I am also waiting, I need to draw my muzzy quality tags first. Then it's archery all the way.
Post by: buglebrush on April 24, 2015, 09:46:14 AM
Post by: Seahawk12 on April 24, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 24, 2015, 10:05:58 AM
Sportco in Fife has is in the midst of a big sale right now. I believe it runs through the weekend.:yike:Oh man, I better stay the heck away!! Is it there camo sale??
Post by: Seahawk12 on April 24, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
Post by: Jellymon on April 24, 2015, 12:03:38 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on April 27, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
Thanks
Post by: mburrows on April 27, 2015, 01:28:26 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on April 27, 2015, 01:36:32 PM
Ditch the whisker biscuit
Nope. :)
Post by: elk247 on April 27, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on April 27, 2015, 01:49:40 PM
Post by: RadSav on April 27, 2015, 01:54:01 PM
Ditch the whisker biscuitNope. :)
:chuckle: Other than being an eye sore the biscuit still remains as one of the best "Hunting" rests on the market. I sort of like the older ones better than the newer ones. But both are reliable.
I started work on a new micro adjust hairy hole-der. Hopefully I can have a prototype made by hunting season. I plan on machining it myself so it might not take 18 months to get it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :chuckle: