Post by: MHWASH on September 09, 2007, 03:19:27 PM
What do you think? Anyone have any experiance doing this?
Matt
Post by: Otto1 on September 09, 2007, 03:41:13 PM
Post by: actionshooter on September 09, 2007, 04:33:31 PM
Post by: smdave on September 09, 2007, 04:49:45 PM
"Baiting" is the practice of placing bait, either food or
scent, to attract wild game to a particular hunting location.
I would think that a honey burn would be illigal.
Dave
Post by: Ray on September 09, 2007, 08:27:30 PM
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Post by: Blacktail135 on September 09, 2007, 10:22:54 PM
Post by: MHWASH on September 10, 2007, 06:09:08 AM
Pretty much what I was thinking.
Post by: flashover52 on September 10, 2007, 07:19:31 AM
Post by: smdave on September 10, 2007, 10:37:14 AM
So does that mean using other commercially brands of cover scent/attractant is illegal too?
I say illegal to any attractant, just because you can buy if does not make it legal to use in some states. Some stores carry items that can be used in neighboring states, or in our case Canada. It is not illegal to sell them, just illegal to use them in WA for bears. I do not think cover sents would be but you never know.
Is there any one that can find the WA law to see how it is specifically worded? I looked for it and could not find it.
Dave
Post by: Ray on September 10, 2007, 10:43:32 AM
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(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.020, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
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(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: MasterTracker on September 10, 2007, 04:08:01 PM
(website) http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245
baiting-section (d)
RCW 77.15.245
Unlawful practices — Black bear baiting — Exceptions — Illegal hunting — Use of dogs — Exceptions — Penalties.
(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.020, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the killing of black bear with the aid of bait by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the establishment and operation of feeding stations for black bear in order to prevent damage to commercial timberland.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of bait to attract black bear for scientific purposes.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
(2) Notwithstanding RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.020, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to hunt or pursue black bear, cougar, bobcat, or lynx with the aid of a dog or dogs.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the killing of black bear, cougar, bobcat, or lynx with the aid of a dog or dogs by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety. A dog or dogs may be used by the owner or tenant of real property consistent with a permit issued and conditioned by the director.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the pursuit, capture and relocation, of black bear, cougar, bobcat, or lynx for scientific purposes.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the killing of black bear, cougar, or bobcat, for the protection of a state and/or federally listed threatened or endangered species.
(3)(a) Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, the commission shall authorize the use of dogs only in selected areas within a game management unit to address a public safety need presented by one or more cougar. This authority may only be exercised after the commission has determined that no other practical alternative to the use of dogs exists, and after the commission has adopted rules describing the conditions in which dogs may be used. Conditions that may warrant the use of dogs within a game management unit include, but are not limited to, confirmed cougar/human safety incidents, confirmed cougar/livestock and cougar/pet depredations, and the number of cougar capture attempts and relocations.
(b) The department shall post on their internet web site the known details of all reported cougar/human, cougar/pet, or cougar/livestock interactions within ten days of receiving the report. The posted material must include, but is not limited to, the location and time of all reported sightings, and the known details of any cougar/livestock incidents.
(4) A person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. In addition to appropriate criminal penalties, the department shall revoke the hunting license of a person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section and order the suspension of wildlife hunting privileges for a period of five years following the revocation. Following a subsequent violation of subsection (1) or (2) of this section by the same person, a hunting license shall not be issued to the person at any time.
[2005 c 107 § 1; 2001 c 253 § 31. Prior: 2000 c 248 § 1; 2000 c 107 § 260; 1997 c 1 § 1 (Initiative Measure No. 655, approved November 5, 1996). Formerly RCW 77.16.360.]
Notes:
Effective date -- 2000 c 248: "This act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, or safety, or support of the state government and its existing public institutions, and takes effect immediately [March 31, 2000]." [2000 c 248 § 2.]
Severability -- 1997 c 1 (Initiative Measure No. 655): "If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances is not affected." [1997 c 1 § 2 (Initiative Measure No. 655, approved November 5, 1996).]
Post by: nwhoundhunter on September 12, 2007, 06:18:32 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on September 12, 2007, 11:17:36 PM
I'd just get in my hunting clothes and cook some bacon and eggs and accidentally spill all over me and go bear hunting. ;) :)
LMAO
Post by: saylean on September 18, 2007, 03:24:51 PM
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 30, 2007, 11:20:10 PM
I was told hunting over animal remains is also baiting!
Does the honey burn work well? I hunt 1/2 a dozen states and many allow baiting with anything but animal parts but I rarely have enough time to establish a bait pile... but I sure could bring a camping burner and scorch some honey, fish, bacon ect... if it works??
Is it worth a try? I guess it couldnt hurt??? Any of yall tried it before?? Is it all that?
Post by: Lincoln4 on October 01, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
So does that mean using other commercially brands of cover scent/attractant is illegal too?
I say illegal to any attractant, just because you can buy if does not make it legal to use in some states. Some stores carry items that can be used in neighboring states, or in our case Canada. It is not illegal to sell them, just illegal to use them in WA for bears. I do not think cover sents would be but you never know.
Is there any one that can find the WA law to see how it is specifically worded? I looked for it and could not find it.
Dave
The only thing about baiting I found in the game regs is very specific to bears (in the bear section). Attractants would appear to be legal for deer and/or elk. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2007, 08:05:01 PM
http://www.fws.gov/le/HuntFish/waterfowl_baiting.htm
Scent attractants for deer and elk are legal.
Post by: Machias on October 01, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: Ray on October 01, 2007, 09:31:09 PM
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used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them
I suppose the key words would be "for the purpose of attracting black bears" and "intend to hunt them". If someone went out elk or deer hunting and happened across a bear then shot it... Well I suppose in my book that would be legal. Who knows what each warden or courtroom would think :dunno:
Post by: LongTatLaw on October 01, 2007, 09:33:31 PM
I almost thought he was kidding..
is that right? :dunno:
Post by: Machias on October 02, 2007, 01:38:02 PM
Post by: micahash1 on August 18, 2010, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: WASHBCBOOK on August 18, 2010, 07:20:54 PM
Post by: Sawbuck on August 18, 2010, 07:25:37 PM
Can anyone point me in the direction where I can find the information for baiting Elk/Deer in the hunting regs?Haven't read this year's regs yet, but in years past, the regs just tell you what you can't use bait for (waterfowl, bears). I don't think you will find information specifically stating that you are allowed to use bait for Elk/Deer.
Post by: quadrafire on August 18, 2010, 07:47:18 PM
Can anyone point me in the direction where I can find the information for baiting Elk/Deer in the hunting regs?
I know I have read it before, but for the life of me I can't find it in the regs this year.
Post by: bobcat on August 18, 2010, 07:55:09 PM
There are no laws in regards to baiting deer and elk.
Post by: Atroxus on August 18, 2010, 08:17:31 PM
I'd just get in my hunting clothes and cook some bacon and eggs and accidentally spill all over me and go bear hunting. ;) :)
Well I bet bacon grease would cover human scent pretty well....I wonder if a warden would believe you were using the bacon grease as a cover scent rather than as an attractant? :P
Post by: washelkhntr on August 18, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
Post by: grundy53 on August 18, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
Post by: Jamieb on August 18, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
So, along the same topic....if you kill an animal (elk, deer, etc) and watch the gut pile, bear comes to eat it and you take the bear, is that baiting? A bit hazy on this topic....Yes it's baiting.
Post by: Kain on August 18, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
Definition of baiting.
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Dear Mr. Kain,
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program with your question on bait. As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”
This includes scents, and other popular attractants sold by sporting goods stores.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
Sincerely,
Mike Day
Customer Service Specialist
Wildlife Program
Post by: DeerThug on August 18, 2010, 09:12:35 PM
Post by: Kain on August 18, 2010, 09:25:38 PM
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Post by: let.it.fly on August 19, 2010, 07:24:57 AM
Post by: LCG on August 19, 2010, 07:57:27 AM
i wonder if you were picking black berrys and you filled a bucket. then on the way out you acceidently spill the bucket, and just so happen to be hunting the same area the next day. hmmmmmmmm. i wonder
Pretty much any attemp to get around the law would be illegal as long as they can prove it. A pile of pre picked berries would be illegal as would another hunters gut pile. I guess it would be pretty hard to prove intent if you used your camp site as bait. The law says "otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears". Cover scents are legal but the obvious intent with bacon would be baiting. More natural scents like wood smoke doe urine things like that would be legal.
Don
Post by: huntnnw on August 20, 2010, 12:00:26 AM
Post by: nocklehead on August 21, 2010, 01:44:57 AM
So maybe you can bait deer, but there must be a law against purposefully dropping off apples or salt blocks in the Nat Forest? Is it only ok on private land? Could you get some kind of littering fine? Whats stopping me from hunting over a 500lb apple pile? Isnt there a law against feeding wild game?
Post by: bowhunterforever on August 21, 2010, 02:11:14 AM
I would think if you come across someone ELSES gutpile you could hunt it then, since you dint put it there....Putting apples on Nat forest wouldn't be against the law, there bio degradeable. I think it's illeagal to put salt blocks on Nat forest land cause they consider it littering, and nothing is stoping you from hunt over 500lbs of apples but yourself. The only game you cant feed and hunt is bears and game birds.
So maybe you can bait deer, but there must be a law against purposefully dropping off apples or salt blocks in the Nat Forest? Is it only ok on private land? Could you get some kind of littering fine? Whats stopping me from hunting over a 500lb apple pile? Isnt there a law against feeding wild game?
Post by: grundy53 on August 21, 2010, 06:20:31 AM
I would think if you come across someone ELSES gutpile you could hunt it then, since you dint put it there....Putting apples on Nat forest wouldn't be against the law, there bio degradeable. I think it's illeagal to put salt blocks on Nat forest land cause they consider it littering, and nothing is stoping you from hunt over 500lbs of apples but yourself. The only game you cant feed and hunt is bears and game birds.
So maybe you can bait deer, but there must be a law against purposefully dropping off apples or salt blocks in the Nat Forest? Is it only ok on private land? Could you get some kind of littering fine? Whats stopping me from hunting over a 500lb apple pile? Isnt there a law against feeding wild game?
Ranchers put out salt blocks all the time on NF land for their cattle :dunno: salt blocks are biodegradable too....
Post by: nocklehead on August 21, 2010, 08:45:33 AM
Post by: flyguide on August 25, 2010, 08:40:09 PM
I ask a WSFW officer about using anise oil. I was told no, as that is considered baiting. Just an anti-hunting law that that was voted in by an uniformed voting public.
What is a uniformed public? Do they wear a special type of suit or uniform?
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 26, 2010, 02:17:48 PM
Post by: Titan-1 on August 26, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
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So, along the same topic....if you kill an animal (elk, deer, etc) and watch the gut pile, bear comes to eat it and you take the bear, is that baiting? A bit hazy on this topic....Yes it's baiting.
Sorry to disagree but this is NOT considered baiting according to the Game dept. I know this because I check with a game warden I know on each and every thing we do before we do it if it might be in the grey area. We killed a nice bear last year and knew there were other bears in the area, so I called and asked him if we could hunt over the gut pile. He really wasn't sure so at there next meeting he made it a topic with all the other game wardens. They came to conclusion that,,,
YES YOU CAN hunt a gut pile "OF A LEGALLY HARVESTED AND TAGGED GAME ANIMAL, KILLED IN THAT LOCATION AND NOT TRANSPORTED FROM ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER OR ALTERED IN ANY WAY."
You can not kill a animal in one area and hall the gut pile to another area and hunt it but YES, if you shoot a deer in deer season, "legally", tag it and gut it right there you CAN sit on it to hunt bear.
He said it was no differant then him sending people to hunt the berry fields :tup:
Post by: MtnMuley on August 26, 2010, 04:26:14 PM
Post by: Titan-1 on August 26, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
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Each warden will differ on controversial issues. I will guarantee that. My recommendation is to do what you feel comfortable with and be ready deal with the consequences. If you are written a ticket, it shouldn't be a surprise.
I defiantly agree with that. That is also why they came to a unanimous agreement that it is legal and I have his number on my speed dial if I ever have any problems with this subject :chuckle: . I make sure the answer is clear and he will back me before we film anything. :tup:
Post by: lokidog on August 26, 2010, 07:25:17 PM
I ask a WSFW officer about using anise oil. I was told no, as that is considered baiting. Just an anti-hunting law that that was voted in by an uniformed voting public.
I think the "scent" issue is more how WDFW chose to interpret "baiting", though I could be wrong. I don't remember scents as specifically being mentioned as part of the initiative, though again, I could be mistaken. In my opinion, this is a travesty of interpretation as you are not leaving anything in the woods when you leave.
i was told by a gamie if you were to find a dead deer or etc as long as you dont move it to a location you can hunt over it. Say raod kill, deer makes it 40 yards off the road and dies, he said I could hang a stand and hunt over it.
This would be similar to hunting ducks near corn that was spilled in the normal process of harvesting, not illegal if you or someone else has not placed it there specifically for the purpose of attracting ducks. If you shoot a deer or elk and gut it within a "reasonable" distance of where it fell, you could hunt over the gutpile. (Just saw your response Titan).
Post by: billythekidrock on August 26, 2010, 07:44:55 PM
So, along the same topic....if you kill an animal (elk, deer, etc) and watch the gut pile, bear comes to eat it and you take the bear, is that baiting? A bit hazy on this topic....Yes it's baiting.
Not according to F&W. As long as you don't place or move the gutpile you are ok.
Post by: 520backyard on August 26, 2010, 07:46:12 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 26, 2010, 07:47:09 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 26, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
So sealing and greasing your hunting boots so they are waterproof with bacon grease would be ok since the intent is not to bait a bear but to seal your boots. Right ;)
Sure, and you also might feel the need to cook some bacon and eggs for breakfast while sitting in your bear stand. :chuckle:
Post by: 520backyard on August 26, 2010, 07:49:19 PM
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Post by: DeerThug on August 26, 2010, 08:22:07 PM
I am heading up this weekend to take a crack at the biggen---
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