Post by: LeviD1 on November 15, 2014, 05:30:33 PM
Thanks for your help,
Levi
Post by: splitshot on November 15, 2014, 05:35:19 PM
Post by: dr.derek on November 15, 2014, 05:36:07 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 15, 2014, 05:41:14 PM
Or just buy a bag of oats!
Post by: LeviD1 on November 15, 2014, 05:53:40 PM
where at?
Oh sorry it is out elk chattaroy area.
Post by: KFhunter on November 15, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
I'd do a soil sample, test the PH. If it's in a pine forest you might need to do some amendments.
http://sccd.org/soilscience.html (http://sccd.org/soilscience.html)
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 15, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on November 15, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on November 15, 2014, 06:27:04 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 15, 2014, 06:34:00 PM
triticale will pull in birds and give cover, oats will pull in everything including bear, corn...cover and feed
also radish is excellent, other tuber crops help break up the soil and leaves nutrition in the ground for any critters that can access it. Lot's of protein for horn in radish...
pea's will add tons of nitrogen and improve soil, it's a legume so it has bacteria that makes nitrogen.
You could really have fun with this :tup:
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 15, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
Everything can be sprouted and growing and the weather turns HOT and kills it all.
Thats why its called farming!!
Post by: lokidog on November 15, 2014, 07:01:03 PM
clover is awesome, but I'd focus on a year around food plot with clover as part of the mix.
triticale will pull in birds and give cover, oats will pull in everything including bear, corn...cover and feed
also radish is excellent, other tuber crops help break up the soil and leaves nutrition in the ground for any critters that can access it. Lot's of protein for horn in radish...
pea's will add tons of nitrogen and improve soil, it's a legume so it has bacteria that makes nitrogen.
You could really have fun with this :tup:
It will only make nitrogen if there are enough nitrogen fixing bacteria present. The best way to ensure this is to buy already inocculated seed or buy innoculant and coat the seeds before planting.
I'm doing the same thing, but here on the westside, and I have water available. I have planted one small area with a winter cover crop that has rye (not the grass), peas, vetch and some other things. When it thaws, I will be over seeding this area with a bunch of left-over garden seeds from years past.
Another part I will be planting crimson clover, and behind the house, where I want to have my archery range and shooting area, I will be planting white clover as it is supposed to be more traffic resistant.
I also plan on running a water line out to this area and putting a small pool type thing in to provide a year-round water source for the critters. I don't have as much area as you do though.
Take pics, before and after, and let us know how it goes.
Post by: oldleclercrd on November 15, 2014, 07:59:13 PM
Post by: GBoyd on November 16, 2014, 10:12:51 AM
This system works great for me.
If I'm not in a hurry, I'll skip the seed. Using just the glysophate about three times a year with mowing, eventually the clover colonizes and creates and almost pure stand.
Post by: Jingles on November 16, 2014, 10:24:51 AM
Post by: LeviD1 on November 16, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 16, 2014, 12:50:49 PM
Post by: grundy53 on November 16, 2014, 01:06:45 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on November 16, 2014, 01:18:26 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on November 16, 2014, 02:14:32 PM
Post by: bearpaw on November 16, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Post by: Skillet on November 16, 2014, 02:41:45 PM
Post by: Jingles on November 16, 2014, 02:49:50 PM
You'd be surprised how turnips draw in the deer
Post by: LeviD1 on November 16, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
With clover, turnips, parsnips and rutabagas you just need to get the surface scratched up although with the root crops best to have about 6 inches of loose loamy soil. As Bearpaw said for the clover just get part of an old springtooth harrow to drag behind the ATV, should be able to get around most of the trees Start early in the spring before the ground gets to hard and you should be able to get a pretty good depth. Or find a single section of a disc unit
You'd be surprised how turnips draw in the deer
With those crops when would I plant those. Like most gardening things after its done frosting in the spring?
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 16, 2014, 03:52:23 PM
If you can't get a section of harrow, in a pinch you can drag a section of chain link fence with cinder blocks on it for weight.
:rockin: Someone who is able to think outside the box!!!
Post by: lokidog on November 16, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
Any of the experienced food plotters have any recommendations on equipment needed. I've been looking at tow behind stuff for the atv. Theres so many options and ide prefer not to waste money on something that doesnt work as well as another option. The soil I have is pretty hard and the plot is going to go where I have a bunch of little 10-12 ft pines growing. I was thinking cutting out all my pines and leaving the very few furs and such standing to let grow then going through with a backhoe to remove all the stumps and skim all the other crap growing off the surface. I was looking at disc plows? Im open to all suggestions. Preferably keeping it on less expensive equipment as I dont want to spend thousands but still get quality equipment that will last. Thanks again everyone! Im excited for the spring!
If the pines are ponderosa, I would probably leave those before the firs as I think they provide food for the turkeys with their cones. :dunno:
Another thing is to maybe rent/borrow something for this year to try out and see if it works for your application, before buying.
Post by: LeviD1 on November 16, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on November 16, 2014, 04:50:59 PM
With clover, turnips, parsnips and rutabagas you just need to get the surface scratched up although with the root crops best to have about 6 inches of loose loamy soil. As Bearpaw said for the clover just get part of an old springtooth harrow to drag behind the ATV, should be able to get around most of the trees Start early in the spring before the ground gets to hard and you should be able to get a pretty good depth. Or find a single section of a disc unit
You'd be surprised how turnips draw in the deer
Also do you order these in bulk online? Or does anyone know of a place around spokane.
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 16, 2014, 05:06:14 PM
You can buy clover from most any farm store also.
Post by: jasnt on November 19, 2014, 10:08:39 PM
Post by: LeviD1 on November 20, 2014, 01:07:01 AM
I use whitetail institutes imperial whitetail clover. There extreme works very well in our area and is a year round mix. The clover seems to attract better both deer and turkey. But it takes alot of nitrogen and also lime. Most the soils in our area are 5.5-5.7 clover prefer 6.5-7.2 dolomite lime works well to fix it. I use the clover which comes back every year but I also plant tall tine tubulars for winter forage. They love those when the snow hits the ground.
what are tall tine tubulars? I figured I would have to add lime which isnt a problem. next spring once I clear out the area I am going to test the soil before I start planting.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 20, 2014, 08:42:10 AM
It's a brand of turnip developed by whitetail institute. The animals like them in the winter because the root gets sugary and they dig them up and eat them.I use whitetail institutes imperial whitetail clover. There extreme works very well in our area and is a year round mix. The clover seems to attract better both deer and turkey. But it takes alot of nitrogen and also lime. Most the soils in our area are 5.5-5.7 clover prefer 6.5-7.2 dolomite lime works well to fix it. I use the clover which comes back every year but I also plant tall tine tubulars for winter forage. They love those when the snow hits the ground.
what are tall tine tubulars? I figured I would have to add lime which isnt a problem. next spring once I clear out the area I am going to test the soil before I start planting.
Post by: jasnt on November 20, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2014, 09:14:12 AM
winter forage would be an excellent addition.
Post by: jasnt on November 20, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
I'm going to have to look into the tall tine tubers for part of my rotational hog grazing program, thanks jasnt :tup:. My brothers hogs get out from time to time,they LOVE! these tubers!!! Had to get the dogs to round them back up and in the pen.
winter forage would be an excellent addition.
I irrigate all my plots but I think that the extreme mix doesn't need it in our area. But I have the means and it grew thick and tall with a good watering once a week
Post by: LeviD1 on November 20, 2014, 11:34:26 AM
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2014, 11:41:04 AM
do you plant them both mixed together or separate them? Also I was reading the panting instructions for both and it says to to use a cultipacker. How necessary is this? What do you do when you plant them? And thanks for the suggestion of the imperial institute clover and tubulars. From what I was reading they are both drought tolerant and seem like a good choice for me.
A cultipacker will increase your seed to soil contact and thus get you a better germination rate. You can still plant it though but you'll loose a higher ratio of seed without it.
Post by: LeviD1 on November 20, 2014, 01:03:37 PM
Post by: jasnt on November 20, 2014, 05:36:18 PM
do you plant them both mixed together or separate them? Also I was reading the panting instructions for both and it says to to use a cultipacker. How necessary is this? What do you do when you plant them? And thanks for the suggestion of the imperial institute clover and tubulars. From what I was reading they are both drought tolerant and seem like a good choice for me.I keep them separate. I disk till soil is loose then water it down. Then broadcast the seed then I use a peace of chain-link and drag it with no weights. Then water again real well. I plant last week of may or first of June.
Post by: LeviD1 on November 20, 2014, 07:07:56 PM
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Post by: jasnt on November 21, 2014, 08:55:44 AM