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Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: Blacktail Sniper on November 20, 2014, 09:22:21 AM

Title: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on November 20, 2014, 09:22:21 AM: Hummmm......

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0088861 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0088861)
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: boneaddict on November 20, 2014, 09:26:13 AM: I often wondered

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Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 20, 2014, 09:31:44 AM: They already have the coywolf out of Ontario. It's been moving southward ever since the two species started mating as the wolves' population in Algonquin Provincial Park declined in the early 1900s. They're highly adaptable and live well among people. If any of you have Netflix, there's a great special about them.
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: KFhunter on November 20, 2014, 09:31:50 AM: man we're going to have a lot of GMO predators to clean up in the next decade or so.
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: jasnt on November 20, 2014, 09:40:04 AM: That's quite the size difference bone
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: boneaddict on November 20, 2014, 09:44:03 AM: Ya, I know. Wolf or coywolf or "Gigantor"
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: jasnt on November 20, 2014, 09:52:36 AM: I did see a coydog before. I swear it was crossed with beagle. I was way short and long! And its ears wouldn't go straight up. They had a fold. Wish I could have gotten a shot,camera or rifle
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: zwickeyman on November 20, 2014, 10:08:01 AM: The one on the left is a little off isn't he?
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 20, 2014, 10:25:01 AM: I don't believe there is any real scientific question about the origins of the eastern coyote, coywolf, or "Eastern wolf Canis lycaon". It is an activist attempt to strengthen the argument for protection by antihunting/antitrapping/anti land uses advocates who want to, once again, misuse the ESA to push an agenda unrelated to preventing species extinction. Mech et al.'s research is valuable in that it demonstrates, empirically, that production of hybrids is viable and could occur in the wild. A hybrid of a listed species can be eligible for ESA protection, but if "declared" its own species it is a stronger argument.

I've seen gray, red and dark phase specimens in the wild in New England, they are quite obviously different than western coyotes. The only one I've shot was an adult female that was 45-50lbs.

On another note, quite a few years ago a friend from graduate school and fellow biologist was bowhunting near Missoula in December, and on several occasions saw sets of coyote and wolf tracks traveling together. He assumed the coyote was trailing the wolf to scavenge its kills. However, one day while sitting in his ground blind, they walked by in sight and were walking side by side, and pretty obviously were paired.
Title: Re: Wolf - coyote crosses....
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 20, 2014, 10:35:59 AM: Here's a good review of the ESA games: http://www.fws.gov/home/wolfrecovery/pdf/Final_Review_of_Proposed_rule_regarding_wolves2014.pdf (http://www.fws.gov/home/wolfrecovery/pdf/Final_Review_of_Proposed_rule_regarding_wolves2014.pdf)