Post by: bullkiller on November 21, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
Post by: JPhelps on November 21, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 21, 2014, 08:10:12 PM
I'm looking on some opinions on long range rifles. I have a 270 and some shorter shooting rifles. Also have a 7mm rem mag which I have made some 400 yard shots or so with, but I'm considering buying a new scope that adjusts for yardage and a rifle to go with it. Something that will shoot 500 to 600 yards accurately. So any help and opinions would be great. Thanks
You already have two of them :)
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on November 21, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 21, 2014, 08:14:39 PM
Yeah. :)I'm looking on some opinions on long range rifles. I have a 270 and some shorter shooting rifles. Also have a 7mm rem mag which I have made some 400 yard shots or so with, but I'm considering buying a new scope that adjusts for yardage and a rifle to go with it. Something that will shoot 500 to 600 yards accurately. So any help and opinions would be great. Thanks
You already have two of them :)
He's a scope and load workup away from achieving and exceeding his yardage. ;)
Post by: T Pearce on November 21, 2014, 08:31:55 PM
Some mods to your 7 mag, oughtta be able to pull that off quite handily...Do you reload yet?
Post by: dr.derek on November 21, 2014, 08:32:04 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 21, 2014, 08:33:04 PM
Post by: bullkiller on November 21, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
Post by: T Pearce on November 21, 2014, 09:03:33 PM
Long range shooting is going to require more trigger time (lots of shooting). Ive setup reloading presses on barstools when living in small apartments. I still use the stool method today. Its portable and doesn't take up the space. That unlimited buget could bed your stock, tune or replace your trigger and buy a nice scope.
I like shooting far and have been on the ridge at dawn to see orange vest everywhere with the critters hiding in the brush and not coming out without a serious push.
For me it was a phase. The more I learned the country the closer my targets. 400yds isnt close. PRACTICE PRACTICE
Post by: HUNTNORTHWEST on November 21, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
http://www.gunwerks.com/ (http://www.gunwerks.com/)
problem solved
Post by: T Pearce on November 21, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
If you dont have a budget buy a gunwerks rifle its 1000 yards out of the boxJust thinking that myself.... they have the scope too. Will workup the load for you and give you the recipe with it.
Wala something I've always wanted to do myself.
I was being foolishly frugal
Post by: kbrowne14 on November 22, 2014, 05:06:49 PM
Post by: Axle on November 22, 2014, 05:19:40 PM
Post by: coachcw on November 22, 2014, 06:52:48 PM
Post by: T Pearce on November 22, 2014, 07:00:00 PM
That whole Gunwerks rifle system with the scope and custom turrets is a bunch of BS. If you are going to have a custom rifle built, have a custom rifle built, put a nice optic on it that has actual mil/moa adjustments with a reticle to match. Don't buy into that Gunwerks system, "Just Dial the range on the turret and shoot!" It would only be precise if the atmospheric conditions were identical to the conditions where the load was developed. As soon as you get on the mountain, or in hotter or colder temperatures, the turrets would mean nothing. But with a mil/moa standard system, you would be able to account for those conditions.He's right.... total buzz kill but correct none the less. :yeah:
Post by: TheHunt on November 22, 2014, 07:24:19 PM
Like others have said you need to determine what your goal from a distance shooting and your budget.
Post by: jackmaster on November 22, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
Post by: birddogdad on November 22, 2014, 07:57:35 PM
If you dont have a budget buy a gunwerks rifle its 1000 yards out of the boxJust thinking that myself.... they have the scope too. Will workup the load for you and give you the recipe with it.
Wala something I've always wanted to do myself.
I was being foolishly frugal
not that easy, I have the gunwerks 7mag, load data is given but the COAL is 3.42 which wont work thru a stock action magazine. The "magic" of a custom rifle cost includes this modified magazine and action to allow the longer loads that are very close to land of barrel. everything helps accuracy. your standard 7mag should shoot 1moa out of box. getting a quality scope and once a load is worked up, you can provide this data to a custom turret shop and get one cut. The real variable is the velocity. chrono's have a limit so your custom turret may require a second based on actual performance. After you have something cut, you shoot and its off, hi or low, you can take the difference and reverse the math to actual muzzle velocity and get a new one cut.. I think the gunwerks guys were with huskamaw before they started on their own. gunwerks uses nightforce scopes.
The most important step is load development for a tight group. what works best for your rifle. if you are not within (worst case) 1 moa, or 1 inch group at 100 yds, keep searching for the right combo of powder type and grains to find the tightest group that your gun will shoot and if you cant get there, look at your shooting for bad habits. The rest will fall from there.
yes this can be done with a thrifty hand, a lot of the costs you see from these custom makers includes all this background effort which is hours and hours of the process...
if you want to talk more, send me email...
Post by: Torrent50 on November 22, 2014, 08:20:01 PM
http://rbrosrifles.com/rifle-packages/long-range-hunter/ (http://rbrosrifles.com/rifle-packages/long-range-hunter/)
Post by: kbrowne14 on November 22, 2014, 08:54:58 PM
Post by: Goshawk on November 23, 2014, 04:00:06 PM
FWIW, That 7mm is already quite a long range gun.
You could rebarrel it to the 338win mag since your bolts are the same.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 23, 2014, 04:12:52 PM
That whole Gunwerks rifle system with the scope and custom turrets is a bunch of BS. If you are going to have a custom rifle built, have a custom rifle built, put a nice optic on it that has actual mil/moa adjustments with a reticle to match. Don't buy into that Gunwerks system, "Just Dial the range on the turret and shoot!" It would only be precise if the atmospheric conditions were identical to the conditions where the load was developed. As soon as you get on the mountain, or in hotter or colder temperatures, the turrets would mean nothing. But with a mil/moa standard system, you would be able to account for those conditions.
Not entirely the case with the Leica or Gunwerx rangefinders that automatically adjust for elevation, temperature and barometric pressure - instantly. The custom turret solution works for hunters - its just an argument of whether the auto adjusting rangefinder is more or less accurate than manually accounting for atmospheric changes. Less than 800 yards I find letting the rangefinder make the adjustments quicker and as accurate as referring to charts or a pda and dialing mils. Of course my dial is engraved to match my rangefinder and load. Now if you had a rangefinder that didn't compensate for atmospheric changes then of course accuracy would suffer much more.
Post by: xXLojackXx on November 23, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
Post by: birddogdad on November 24, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
:yeah:That whole Gunwerks rifle system with the scope and custom turrets is a bunch of BS. If you are going to have a custom rifle built, have a custom rifle built, put a nice optic on it that has actual mil/moa adjustments with a reticle to match. Don't buy into that Gunwerks system, "Just Dial the range on the turret and shoot!" It would only be precise if the atmospheric conditions were identical to the conditions where the load was developed. As soon as you get on the mountain, or in hotter or colder temperatures, the turrets would mean nothing. But with a mil/moa standard system, you would be able to account for those conditions.
Not entirely the case with the Leica or Gunwerx rangefinders that automatically adjust for elevation, temperature and barometric pressure - instantly. The custom turret solution works for hunters - its just an argument of whether the auto adjusting rangefinder is more or less accurate than manually accounting for atmospheric changes. Less than 800 yards I find letting the rangefinder make the adjustments quicker and as accurate as referring to charts or a pda and dialing mils. Of course my dial is engraved to match my rangefinder and load. Now if you had a rangefinder that didn't compensate for atmospheric changes then of course accuracy would suffer much more.
the turrets provided by gunwerks are subdivided in both BDC and MOA and are interchangable so the first quoted discussion is not really valid or true. The gunwerks rifle is just part of a complete system to be used to really execute long range shooting.. As said before, it takes practice!! Nothing is "out of the box" but if you don't have the time to work up/ develop load and gun, this IS a good system and will shoot 1/2 moa out of the box (if you can as a shooter). The trouble is most shooters are not to this level of skills out long distance... wind doping is really the developed understanding. For the most part, 750yds with a gentle breeze is very manageable with BDC stuff with limited shooting time, beyond that basic set of parameters, you must practice and learn....updrafts, angle shots, cross winds, reading conditions, directions, drift ect... THAT is where long range shooting starts!
Post by: kbrowne14 on November 24, 2014, 04:25:00 PM
Why not just buy a custom rifle and a nice optic?
Post by: xXLojackXx on November 24, 2014, 05:41:27 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 24, 2014, 05:53:28 PM
Post by: meatwhack on November 24, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 24, 2014, 06:58:27 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 24, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
The people that buy Gunwerks rifles are the people with too much money and not enough knowledge of what makes along range rifle. You can build a $2400 rifles that shoots bugholes for groups. 1/4 MOA is 1/4 MOA. Wether it cost you $2400 or $6400 is up to you. You're worlds ahead of a Gunwerks rifle if you spent $2k on a used custom rifle and $4k on ammo to learn how to shoot.
And that's a fact.........jack!
Post by: rbros on November 24, 2014, 07:16:59 PM
Post by: Special T on March 23, 2015, 04:28:05 PM
I'm looking on some opinions on long range rifles. I have a 270 and some shorter shooting rifles. Also have a 7mm rem mag which I have made some 400 yard shots or so with, but I'm considering buying a new scope that adjusts for yardage and a rifle to go with it. Something that will shoot 500 to 600 yards accurately. So any help and opinions would be great. Thanks
What is you general location?
Post by: kball4 on March 24, 2015, 05:47:25 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on March 25, 2015, 10:46:51 AM
There is a reason why the military snipers don't use a system like this, police marksmen, Benchrest shooters, Precision Rifle Series competitors, etc.
Based on my *limited* experience with military snipers, I don't think that statement is entirely accurate.
Post by: birddogdad on March 25, 2015, 11:52:22 AM
That whole Gunwerks rifle system with the scope and custom turrets is a bunch of BS. If you are going to have a custom rifle built, have a custom rifle built, put a nice optic on it that has actual mil/moa adjustments with a reticle to match. Don't buy into that Gunwerks system, "Just Dial the range on the turret and shoot!" It would only be precise if the atmospheric conditions were identical to the conditions where the load was developed. As soon as you get on the mountain, or in hotter or colder temperatures, the turrets would mean nothing. But with a mil/moa standard system, you would be able to account for those conditions.He's right.... total buzz kill but correct none the less. :yeah:
not quite true, everything you get from gunwerks also functions and comes with moa turrets and operations for the nightforce scopes. If you can do the calcs all is good or get their range finer....... the "custom" is really in the action that allows for longer COAL which can aid in accuracy, most non custom guns wont run from magazine to breech if you extend the COAL. They also come with top of the line triggers... for hunting applications, most standard recommended max coal will work pretty well as the stock rifle barrels are what they are routinely within 1MAO or 5" at 500yds (in ideal conditions)....... The gunwerks sell is not an inaccurate sell and is that accurate in ideal conditions (1/2 moa@ 1k yds). The real rub that is eluded to in the thread is PRICE. You as the shooter still need to practice and learn the variables to adjust/dope for argued in this thread. They have just taken a lot of that info and workup and consolidated it as well as working up load data for your caliber that for the particular rifle shoots repeatable. Combining this info with turrets, and offering a pretty good programmable rangefinder computer. The real question is who is shooting at game 1000+yds out? Not really the norm.. 500+ sure, even 750 ish... beyond , you better know and really practice as well as the right caliber....
So, I will repeat the same view from past threads.... if you have the knowledge, skills, and TIME. by all means build to suite your dream tack driver... if not, and can afford it, don't pooh pooh the gunwerks system, they are as advertised, yes out of the box accurate. this doesn't mean you will be, just the rifle is...
If anyone thinks they can dust off any rifle, shoot a box of ammo and then go hunt to 1000K, they are going to be very disappointed with results.
Post by: coachcw on March 26, 2015, 05:55:13 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 26, 2015, 07:20:23 PM