Post by: cboom on November 29, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 29, 2014, 07:01:18 PM
I think what you are asking about is the mysterious "lights out" or "tack driving" rifle.
These creatures can be found at most ranges, usually shooting from lead sleds at 50 yards(or 25). Pounding away with very expensive factory ammunition. "Tack driving" confirmation is obtained when the shooter removes the target from the stand and carefully rolls it up and takes it home.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 29, 2014, 07:01:59 PM
Post by: Bill W on November 29, 2014, 07:08:23 PM
Post by: Alchase on November 29, 2014, 07:13:43 PM
1" MOA should be the minimum standard that all hunting rifles.
It really is not to much to ask for.
If you can "cover" a five shot group with a dime...........
Considering most "tack heads" are 1/8 - 1/16 in. in diameter, 1/4" MOA would about do it, LOL
Post by: stevemiller on November 29, 2014, 07:15:05 PM
3 shots touching at 100 yards = dime group = 1/2 inch moa = tack driver.I dont know about this,Some of my ammo is bigger than your dime and if it is about the size of a half dollar im having a good day. lol.
Ok seriously first let me say a tack driver in my op would be any rifle shot from any position anywhere that is within 1 m.o.a at 100 yards,just my op.Even from a lead sled.(were testing the firearm not the shooter)If the shooter can do this repeatadly then he or she would be a tack driver lol.
Post by: Bofire on November 29, 2014, 07:20:16 PM
I do not think "tack driver" is about bench rest super accurate rifles, I think it is about shooters. You guys ever shoot at nickles at 100 yards, for money, with your deer rifle?
Carl
Post by: stevemiller on November 29, 2014, 07:27:14 PM
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 29, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
Post by: Alchase on November 29, 2014, 08:31:22 PM
thats just over .5 m.o.a. what rifle?
Actually that is 0.705 in. diameter, covering all five shots.
Post by: Bean Counter on November 29, 2014, 08:35:06 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 29, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
thats just over .5 m.o.a. what rifle?
Actually that is 0.705 in. diameter, covering all five shots.
Or a .482 if shooting 5.56.
Really bitch'n if you are shooting 7.62 :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on November 29, 2014, 08:40:27 PM
dont really need a tackdriver or the pissing match just like my rifle to shoot where I intended.
Post by: stevemiller on November 29, 2014, 08:41:30 PM
He didnt say it covered all 5 shots he said 5 shots in it.Im going to lower my 30 to about 5.Its getting deeper than the bigfoot thread in here.thats just over .5 m.o.a. what rifle?
Actually that is 0.705 in. diameter, covering all five shots.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 29, 2014, 08:46:52 PM
He didnt say it covered all 5 shots he said 5 shots in it.Im going to lower my 30 to about 5.Its getting deeper than the bigfoot thread in here.thats just over .5 m.o.a. what rifle?
Actually that is 0.705 in. diameter, covering all five shots.
I'm just trying to "help" :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on November 29, 2014, 08:47:19 PM
thats just over .5 m.o.a. what rifle?
Actually that is 0.705 in. diameter, covering all five shots.
Or a .482 if shooting 5.56.
Really bitch'n if you are shooting 7.62 :chuckle:
Good shooting,
:bfg: pew, pew , pew
LOL
Post by: T Pearce on November 29, 2014, 08:50:51 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood.......Nailed it! (Please don't ask me how I know) 8)
I think what you are asking about is the mysterious "lights out" or "tack driving" rifle.
These creatures can be found at most ranges, usually shooting from lead sleds at 50 yards(or 25). Pounding away with very expensive factory ammunition. "Tack driving" confirmation is obtained when the shooter removes the target from the stand and carefully rolls it up and takes it home.
Post by: stevemiller on November 29, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
Post by: stevemiller on November 29, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
1)shooter
2)ammo
3)glass
4)firearm :twocents:
Post by: Bofire on November 29, 2014, 09:11:21 PM
Carl
Post by: Jim the Plumber on November 29, 2014, 09:55:25 PM
Sub .1 MIL is where it's at.
Post by: lokidog on November 29, 2014, 10:25:07 PM
What's this MOA you all are speaking of?
Sub .1 MIL is where it's at.
Show us your finish nail driver..... :chuckle:
Post by: brew on November 29, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Post by: stevemiller on November 30, 2014, 12:13:36 AM
What's this MOA you all are speaking of?wow .360 at 100 yards.I have read your stuff before so First let me say I believe you.What are you shooting if you dont mind me asking?
Sub .1 MIL is where it's at.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 30, 2014, 12:28:13 AM
Post by: HawkCreek on November 30, 2014, 05:05:31 AM
I'm usually pretty happy when I get a rifle/scope/load combination that I can shoot sub-MOA with only support being either a sling or off a backpack. I ONCE put 4 rounds out of my beat up .308 into a group measuring south of .160" then go so excited I threw a flyer that opened the group up to .700" now I should be elated at that group but the one "flyer" makes the group disappointing to me. Some people think that is a great group while others have rifles that will do that at 2 or 3 times the distance with more rounds in the group.
Post by: kodiak 907 on November 30, 2014, 06:03:54 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 30, 2014, 06:22:32 AM
5 rounds in a dime at 100 yds.
:yeah:
A quarter at 300
Post by: rbros on November 30, 2014, 07:45:51 AM
What's this MOA you all are speaking of?
Sub .1 MIL is where it's at.
Lol. You know me JTP, my hunting rifles are in moa. Comp guns are definitely sub .1 mil.
Post by: BNAElkhntr on November 30, 2014, 07:49:50 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 30, 2014, 09:31:31 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 30, 2014, 09:35:28 AM
Tack driver shown for reference👍
Starting on my next, ahem "tack driver" this week.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 30, 2014, 09:40:25 AM
Post by: Swannytheswan on November 30, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Tack driver shown for reference👍
Starting on my next, ahem "tack driver" this week.
Post by: actionshooter on November 30, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 30, 2014, 12:50:05 PM
Ah the 0% lower?I was guessing that too from the size. Unless making a lot of extensions.Tack driver shown for reference👍
Starting on my next, ahem "tack driver" this week.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on November 30, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
What's this MOA you all are speaking of?
Sub .1 MIL is where it's at.
Lol. You know me JTP, my hunting rifles are in moa. Comp guns are definitely sub .1 mil.
Yup, I'll text you a picture of a group I shot at 1000 Thursday.
Alan used his new RBros 6.5x47 to put 2 at .1MIL. I saw the opening and put my 2 in between his 2 shots, for a 1/2 .1 MIL group with my old worn out RBros 6.5x47 Lapua LOL.
Post by: jackelope on November 30, 2014, 02:30:43 PM
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Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 30, 2014, 02:47:16 PM
Or for some of you, Barry Manilow?
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 30, 2014, 02:50:35 PM
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Post by: Jim the Plumber on November 30, 2014, 03:02:05 PM
Post by: mountainman on November 30, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: Alchase on November 30, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Sweet shooting !!
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 30, 2014, 05:45:35 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Looks like the two middle shots are from different rifles.........But that's just me.
Number 1-4 with 1 being on the top.
1 and 3 look different than 2 and 4.
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 30, 2014, 05:52:06 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 30, 2014, 05:55:40 PM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on November 30, 2014, 05:59:14 PM
You're wrong.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Looks like the two middle shots are from a different rifle.........But that's just me.
Number 1-4 with 1 being on the top.
1 and 3 look different than 2 and 4.
Post by: mountainman on November 30, 2014, 06:01:13 PM
He said he put his group inside the other guy's group.he does know how to shoot!
funny comment!(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Looks like the two middle shots are from a different rifle.........But that's just me.
Number 1-4 with 1 being on the top.
1 and 3 look different than 2 and 4.
Yes, that gun can drive tacks!
Post by: yorketransport on November 30, 2014, 06:48:01 PM
In the official Box Monkey Lexicon (AKA the list of words I've "adjusted" the meaning of to suite my needs ;)) a "tack driver" is defined as whatever gun I'm trying to sell at the moment. :tup: Example: "This well used Model 94 in 32 Win Special is a lights out, tack driver! It's easily capable of hitting a reasonably sized target at an appropriate range."
In reality, I take the caliber and configuration of the gun into consideration. A custom gun in a mid sized caliber (anything 308 to 30-06 case sized) that shoots larger than .5 MOA (with a good shooter) is a waste of metal and money. A factory gun in the same caliber that will hold between .5 and .75 MOA is good shooter. A rifle chambered for a cartridge burning over 70 grains of powder which can hold better than .5 MOA beyond 500 yards is a tack driver. Any dedicated target gun in a small caliber (under 308 case sized) which can't shoot .3 MOA or better is a tack driving varmint gun, but a worthless target gun. A varmint gun in the same caliber which holds better than .3 MOA at an appropriate range for the caliber is worthy of being called a target gun.
For an example, I had a factory Savage LRPV in 22-250. This rifle was an honest sub .25 MOA rifle (5 shot groups) and on a good day I could run it in the .1 MOA range. This is a full on tack driver of a varmint rifle and it could keep up with most dedicated short range BR guns. I put together a 6mm BR which could hold .3 MOA. This was a tack driver for a varmint rifle, but mediocre as a target gun.
Big bore tack drivers are a little easier to find just because so many of the bigger guns out there are custom/semi custom jobs. I currently have 5 which can hold .5 MOA or better as far as I've shot them. They're all semi custom (aftermarket barrel or more). Most of them are capable of groups in the .3 MOA range (this includes a Striker in 338/375 Ruger), but that's for 3 shots. I don't shoot a lot of 5 shot groups with the RUM sized cases. That get's expensive and it's pretty hard on the barrel!
Andrew
Post by: LEN on November 30, 2014, 08:15:45 PM
LEN
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 30, 2014, 08:27:20 PM
Tack driver is any rifle until you say lets go to the range and place a bet on it.
LEN
Or your at 4000ft plus with a pack on your back, breathing hard from getting into position to take a shot at some azz backwards angle on a animal that's hell bent not to take one for the team.
Post by: stevemiller on December 01, 2014, 10:01:06 AM
Very nice shooting,Question how well does it shoot at say 200 yards without redialing it in?Your wrong.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Looks like the two middle shots are from a different rifle.........But that's just me.
Number 1-4 with 1 being on the top.
1 and 3 look different than 2 and 4.
Post by: Jim the Plumber on December 02, 2014, 12:53:48 AM
Not sure what you are asking.Very nice shooting,Question how well does it shoot at say 200 yards without redialing it in?Your wrong.(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F11-29-14droid057_zps2eb8dadb.jpg&hash=5406d2813a8d32cd47b1b1b971aeac68f5b69b4f)
Looks like the two middle shots are from a different rifle.........But that's just me.
Number 1-4 with 1 being on the top.
1 and 3 look different than 2 and 4.
The rifle is capable of .1MIL from point blank to the limit of it's effective range, about 1250 yards.
To answer some of the other post,
It's my go to rifle that I use for tactical matches, big game hunting, coyotes, rock chucks, banging steel, and when I teach a novice shooter about rifles. I have shot so many ~ .1MIL groups I don't even bother taking pictures of them anymore unless there is some anomaly.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1109.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh427%2FJimthePlumber17%2F1-13-14Droid072_zps3d66faa3.jpg&hash=902082ce26ac0a07ed52828b3abf2d5f1121a68f)
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 02, 2014, 08:53:38 AM
anywho, this is the only pic I have at the moment of my "nail driver" it's not a tack driver as the operator has a tendency to pull his shots.
this is from my little 270 shooting 130 grain Winchester ballistic silvertips at 100 yards. This is off of a bipod.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 02, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 02, 2014, 09:41:19 AM
i know we have some great shooters on this site and not saying they arent but the majority of the hunting public couldnt shoot a .3 moa shooter better than a 2 moa shooter.
Post by: PolarBear on December 02, 2014, 09:42:33 AM
Amen!
Post by: jasnt on December 02, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
It seems most tack drivers are the guy shooting the gun. I think most factory guns will outshoot most operators. :chuckle:I agree 100%
i know we have some great shooters on this site and not saying they arent but the majority of the hunting public couldnt shoot a .3 moa shooter better than a 2 moa shooter.
Post by: rtspring on December 02, 2014, 10:01:30 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 02, 2014, 02:06:36 PM
gotta have a cool gun pic too!!
How's this?
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 02, 2014, 02:11:29 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on December 02, 2014, 02:16:43 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 02, 2014, 03:32:06 PM
Nice shooting Plumber!
Post by: mountainman on December 02, 2014, 05:04:37 PM
It seems most tack drivers are the guy shooting the gun. I think most factory guns will outshoot most operators. :chuckle::yeah:
i know we have some great shooters on this site and not saying they arent but the majority of the hunting public couldnt shoot a .3 moa shooter better than a 2 moa shooter.
Post by: boneaddict on December 02, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 02, 2014, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 02, 2014, 07:22:07 PM
Saw that! Reminds me of one of the early Christiansen arms video. The one where the guy shoots like 26 times on an elk. Had a round count during the video. You would think they would have cut it, since it was a promotional for their rifles! Cut the bad shots, like best of the west does lol!
What's "best of the west"?
Post by: mountainman on December 02, 2014, 07:35:02 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 02, 2014, 07:42:58 PM
The boys from Huskemaw
This isn't some weird gay movie title is it?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Have you looked at the Huskemaw shooting system, for the ultra long range shooting? They make custom turrets for scopes to quickly get on target at varying long ranges. Then they made a hunting show for product placement. They look for animals about a mile out and shoot at them.The boys from Huskemaw
This isn't some weird gay movie title is it?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 02, 2014, 07:54:20 PM
Have you looked at the Huskemaw shooting system, for the ultra long range shooting? They make custom turrets for scopes to quickly get on target at varying long ranges. Then they made a hunting show for product placement. They look for animals about a mile out and shoot at them.The boys from Huskemaw
This isn't some weird gay movie title is it?
Uhhh, no. But the movie thing makes sense now. :chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on December 03, 2014, 05:50:03 AM
Post by: mountainman on December 04, 2014, 09:43:09 PM
:yeah:I have one of the best of the west videos. Doping the wind. It has some good info but also seems like a commercial. That Huskemaw system I don't like. There is just too many folks that think a bullet drops the same at any temp,humidity, pressure.
I think the Huskemaw system is fine. I just don't like how they make it look like anybody can grab one and shoot a thousands yards. Like you said there are many variables that come into play.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 05, 2014, 04:37:19 AM
It seems most tack drivers are the guy shooting the gun. I think most factory guns will outshoot most operators. :chuckle:no kidding, i gotta ask, are these groups i hear about off some kind of rest like a lead sled? i usually shoot of something more primitive, like a handy tree branch with a fork in it :chuckle: on my best days i might get into the 1" group range. of course, i'm somewhat nearsighted.
i know we have some great shooters on this site and not saying they arent but the majority of the hunting public couldnt shoot a .3 moa shooter better than a 2 moa shooter.
Post by: Jingles on December 08, 2014, 10:14:03 AM
Post by: coachcw on December 09, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
Post by: Bill W on December 09, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
I had a bad rifle once nicknamed "Christine" and it once put three shots thru the same hole. Once.
Post by: coachcw on December 09, 2014, 02:12:45 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 09, 2014, 03:27:16 PM
Post by: LEN on December 09, 2014, 03:46:43 PM
LEN
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 15, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
Tack driver shown for reference👍
Starting on my next, ahem "tack driver" this week.
Did a bunch of cutting recently......I know you guys missed this thread :chuckle:
Post by: jasnt on January 15, 2015, 05:58:23 PM
Post by: kisfish on January 15, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 15, 2015, 07:26:46 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 15, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
I think that one in the middle already has my name on it. They look great. :tup:
When the chips settle I want one in Terminal Grey :chuckle: Maybe 2?
The big public release was at noon today....it's been nuts since.
Prototype
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 15, 2015, 07:45:26 PM
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Post by: Pete112288 on January 17, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2015, 03:02:38 PM
I'm thinking this chassis deserves it own thread
Post by: yorketransport on January 17, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Recoil lug area....
Hmmmm, that's not the typical recoil lug recess! :tup:
Andrew