Post by: magnanimous_j on December 05, 2014, 08:05:04 AM
So I’m considering selling the 06 and buying 2 rifles to replace it.
Post by: kukusya on December 05, 2014, 08:08:05 AM
7-08rem and 7mm rem mag.
338fed and 338win mag
Post by: Mike450r on December 05, 2014, 08:09:03 AM
Post by: Taco280AI on December 05, 2014, 08:09:33 AM
280AI
Post by: Woodchuck on December 05, 2014, 08:11:20 AM
If you are sure you need two. I would suggest a .243 or 25/06 and a 7mm mag or one of the .300 mags.
Post by: MP123 on December 05, 2014, 08:13:39 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2014, 08:14:36 AM
A man should always have a .30-06
:yeah:
Get a .243, too. Good antelope gun
Post by: bobcat on December 05, 2014, 08:17:58 AM
Post by: TommyH on December 05, 2014, 08:18:29 AM
The '06 and a .22 should cover most all of your rifle needs.
:yeah:
'06 is the all around rifle.
Post by: sirmissalot on December 05, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
If you really wanted to concentrate on varmints and are interested in saving some fur I'd go with a 223, probably in an AR platform because I think they are cool and are multipurpose as a self defense type of weapon.
Post by: Skillet on December 05, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
30-06 is plenty for elk and moose, especially with modern bullet technology. I spoke with a Colville native this last weekend that has killed a number of elk and moose with his 25-06, and claimed to do so at ranges I wouldn't try.
Post by: kukusya on December 05, 2014, 08:26:10 AM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/myth_busting_calibers.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/myth_busting_calibers.htm)
http://www.chuckhawks.com/optimum_30_rifle_cartridge.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/optimum_30_rifle_cartridge.htm)
http://www.chuckhawks.com/moderate_cartridges.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/moderate_cartridges.htm)
http://www.chuckhawks.com/choosing_inclement_all-around_rifle.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/choosing_inclement_all-around_rifle.htm)
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm)
Post by: Curly on December 05, 2014, 08:36:24 AM
and
338 WM
:twocents:
Post by: 6x6in6 on December 05, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 08:51:51 AM
The 06' is just fine for lope. Shoot a barnes and it will poke a nice little hole through and kill it where it stands... you wont blow nuthin up. It'll also work fantastically for coyotes... bear... moose... elk... deer... Prairie dogs... You can shoot 55 grains up to 220... but there really isn't any reason to shoot anything other than the 168 grain Barnes TSX.
:IBCOOL:
Post by: str8meat on December 05, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Post by: Band on December 05, 2014, 08:52:46 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 08:53:33 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 08:54:58 AM
Sure... they die... but so do elk if you hit them in the same spot.
Post by: Encore 280 on December 05, 2014, 08:55:57 AM
Post by: Band on December 05, 2014, 08:57:40 AM
moose are pansies? lmao... thats why they just stand there and go about their normal business as you proceed to add metal alloys to their system...Compared to elk, yes. Absolutely.
Sure... they die... but so do elk if you hit them in the same spot.
Post by: 2labs on December 05, 2014, 08:59:28 AM
Post by: Toptwo on December 05, 2014, 09:04:31 AM
Post by: Jim the Plumber on December 05, 2014, 09:06:30 AM
Post by: superdown on December 05, 2014, 09:07:54 AM
Post by: headshot5 on December 05, 2014, 09:08:36 AM
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5.56 and your 30-06 or a 300 Win mag.
:yeah:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 05, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2014, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on December 05, 2014, 09:22:59 AM
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2014, 09:25:38 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
Least reliable? :yike:
If you are keeping the 06, you might consider the 7mm-08 too Mags.
Post by: RadSav on December 05, 2014, 09:30:11 AM
Let’s say you wanted to hunt everything in the lower 48 from coyote size up to moose, and you could buy 2 rifles to do all that. What 2 calibers would you pick? ...I may have the opportunity to hunt some Antelope next year and I’m worried that the 06 might blow them apart and (though I’ve never had the opportunity) I’ve thought that the 06 might be pushing it a little for elk.
Velocity and bullet choice is what blows things up. 30-06 isn't a magnum velocity cartridge so I wouldn't worry about that unless you are VERY close!
That said, two guns are always better than one :chuckle: If wanting everything from coyote to moose I'd probably go 243 for my coyote through small deer gun and a 300 Magnum for everything else!
Post by: MooseZ25 on December 05, 2014, 09:42:23 AM
243 and a 338 of any flavor....
:tup:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on December 05, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
Post by: runningboard on December 05, 2014, 09:45:44 AM
Post by: kentrek on December 05, 2014, 09:49:34 AM
Then a 270 ultra in a 12ish # finished rifle
Post by: bobcat on December 05, 2014, 09:53:16 AM
7 short mag in a 7# finished rifle
Then a 270 ultra in a 12ish # finished rifle
Which is the coyote gun? :o
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2014, 09:56:53 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
That's unusual unless you're using the Butler Creek mags with the plastic "hot lips". Either use the Butler Creek "Steel lips", or get one of the Ruger mags, Mags. I have problems with the plastic BC mags and rarely with the steel lips ones.
Post by: RadSav on December 05, 2014, 09:59:55 AM
Post by: 2labs on December 05, 2014, 10:02:11 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
Least reliable? :yike:
If you are keeping the 06, you might consider the 7mm-08 too Mags.
If its shooting left adjust it.
Post by: MP123 on December 05, 2014, 10:03:20 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 05, 2014, 10:04:24 AM
:yeah: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: Thats darn funny right there.Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
Least reliable? :yike:
If you are keeping the 06, you might consider the 7mm-08 too Mags.
If its shooting left adjust it.
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2014, 10:05:38 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
Least reliable? :yike:
If you are keeping the 06, you might consider the 7mm-08 too Mags.
If its shooting left adjust it.
LMAO :chuckle:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 05, 2014, 10:07:23 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
That's unusual unless you're using the Butler Creek mags with the plastic "hot lips". Either use the Butler Creek "Steel lips", or get one of the Ruger mags, Mags. I have problems with the plastic BC mags and rarely with the steel lips ones.
I'd also recommend taking the 10/22 down to the bolt and receiver and give it a good clean, if you haven't already. They can get pretty funky.
Post by: chester on December 05, 2014, 10:12:34 AM
25-06 and 300WM
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread.
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Post by: magnanimous_j on December 05, 2014, 10:24:21 AM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
That's unusual unless you're using the Butler Creek mags with the plastic "hot lips". Either use the Butler Creek "Steel lips", or get one of the Ruger mags, Mags. I have problems with the plastic BC mags and rarely with the steel lips ones.
I’ve broken 2 factory mags with it. I’ve had stovepiping issues, failure to feed, failure to fire, etc. Admittedly, it’s gotten better since I stopped using those cheap Remington “golden bullets.” But even with the better CCIs, I still get a failure every 3 or 4 mags. I’ve always wanted a Henry lever action, so one day I’ll pick one up and be done with it.
I don’t know how they keep selling those clear hotlips mags. I’ve never met anyone who ever got one to work right.
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
Least reliable? :yike:
If you are keeping the 06, you might consider the 7mm-08 too Mags.
If its shooting left adjust it.
Lol :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
What do you have your eye on Mags? No point in us talking you out of a new gun! :chuckle:
Nothing special. I’ve always valued rugged and low-maintenance over high performance. My 06 is a Savage 10/110, so I’d probably get another one of those.
Post by: 2labs on December 05, 2014, 10:34:08 AM
Henry lever action is on my list also, if you can find one remington nylons are awesome. Mine probably has 10,000 rounds down it (guess).
Going to refurb. It this winter.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 05, 2014, 10:40:06 AM
in a hurry and didn't read all the posts, so might be doubling up here...
The 06' is just fine for lope. Shoot a barnes and it will poke a nice little hole through and kill it where it stands... you wont blow nuthin up. It'll also work fantastically for coyotes... bear... moose... elk... deer... Prairie dogs... You can shoot 55 grains up to 220... but there really isn't any reason to shoot anything other than the 168 grain Barnes TSX.
:IBCOOL:
Was basically going to say the same....wide choice of bullet weights....Barnes as well. :tup:
Post by: lewy on December 05, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
Post by: Miles on December 05, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 05, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
Just kidding, I'd say a .220 Swift or .243Win and a .375 H&H.
Post by: tonymiller7 on December 05, 2014, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: kentrek on December 05, 2014, 10:59:52 AM
7 short mag in a 7# finished rifle
Then a 270 ultra in a 12ish # finished rifle
Which is the coyote gun? :o
Depends on where the yotes where at....something tells me I wouldn't mind using the 270ultra with a pretty light bullet :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: passing-thru on December 05, 2014, 11:08:29 AM
As for 2 calibres to cover all 48 states I'd go with 25-06 and. 338.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 05, 2014, 11:35:30 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on December 05, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
Post by: Alchase on December 05, 2014, 12:36:32 PM
LOL
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2014, 01:16:44 PM
Why would you only want to own two rifles anyways? :chuckle:
He's afraid his friends will disown him! :chuckle:
Post by: lhrbull on December 05, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
300 weatherby
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 05, 2014, 02:24:55 PM
Why would you only want to own two rifles anyways? :chuckle:
He's afraid his friends will disown him! :chuckle:
Wouldn't want to be the wacko with an arsenal that lives in the city. :chuckle: But hey how big do those squirrels you hunt in the city park get? I'm thinking you only need a Red Rider for the bottom end, and a Crossman pump for the top end! ;)
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 05, 2014, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: runamuk on December 05, 2014, 02:29:39 PM
Let’s say you wanted to hunt everything in the lower 48 from coyote size up to moose, and you could buy 2 rifles to do all that. What 2 calibers would you pick? The reason I ask, is that I’ve got the trusty old 06, but I may have the opportunity to hunt some Antelope next year and I’m worried that the 06 might blow them apart and (though I’ve never had the opportunity) I’ve thought that the 06 might be pushing it a little for elk.hmmmmmm ok so first before reading I was gonna say why on earth limit ones self to only two rifles when there is a plethora of pretties and precious to be had.
So I’m considering selling the 06 and buying 2 rifles to replace it.
then I see you want to turn one rifle in to two ok that makes more sense doubling is good.
for sheer fun 243wssm in ar package is yeehaw and you can hunt (deers and stuff) with it (which is why I said this instead of 223/5.56 which has a better ammo selection if you dont reload)
and I dunno maybe a 7mm08 or a 308 cuz well biased (the 308 is good for ease of ammo acquisition)
oh but then a 257 bob is fun to shoot too its the ideal chipmunk gun just ask Dan-o
Post by: Special T on December 05, 2014, 02:35:57 PM
I f i were you id start an AR build. Prices are awesome right now, and you could buy most of the components while still deciding what caliber you want. I think AR's are sweet because there are so many options for them.
Ditch the hotlips and give your 10-22 a complete strip down, Like many 10-22 its likely been shot, used and abused.
Post by: RadSav on December 05, 2014, 02:51:22 PM
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Maybe I will hang onto the 06 and maybe get something lighter too. I do have a 10/22 already, but it’s a plinker, as it’s the least reliable firearm I’ve ever owned.
That's unusual unless you're using the Butler Creek mags with the plastic "hot lips". Either use the Butler Creek "Steel lips", or get one of the Ruger mags, Mags. I have problems with the plastic BC mags and rarely with the steel lips ones.
I'm sure it's the liberal three round magazine produced by his anti-high capacity friends at the DNC :chuckle:
I'm thinking Mags needs a couple Ruger #1s to keep his friends happy. Need to make sure the capacity is low, the bullets have no lead and there is no pistol grip. ;)
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 05, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
Post by: Bwana Bob on December 05, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
Post by: woodswalker on December 05, 2014, 02:57:30 PM
Post by: Rich_S on December 05, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
I would definitely use this rifle on everything up to deer-size game. For elk, moose, bison and grizz, I wouldn't have anything less than a Win. .338 Magnum. When I went to Alaska in '96, my .300 Win Mag was an object of derision for the rest of the guys in camp, Alaskans all. I hate it when I have the smallest one in camp. Makes me feel deprived.
BTW, for all of those who say the '06 is a good elk gun, I respectfully disagree. At 150 yards I was forced to take a Texas Heart Shot on a spike elk who was headed away. I thought I could get one through the soft parts and up to the boiler room. I got a good hit, but not quite centered on the hole. It hit the pelvis and stopped. The elk had a bit of a limp but didn't slow down until he ran past our camper. There, my "pal" stopped him with a shot to the heart at 50 yards from the camper with his 7mm. But get this-He shot while he was on the porta-potty inside the camper! Took three days for his ears to stop ringing.
We found the 165 grain Ought-six bullet just a couple of inches under the hide next to the anus. Never took the .30-06 elk hunting again. I had no choice on the angle of the shot, but I thought I had enough gun for that. Apparently not.
But man! It was fun shooting that Mini-30! Forty rounds off the bench and no sore shoulder. Close to the same power (with factory loads) as a .30-30 and ~twice as much as a .30 Carbine. 7 pounds of Stainless and polymer.
Post by: HillSlick on December 05, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
-"Progress once meant hope for the future, now it will destroy it."
Post by: j_h_nimrod on December 05, 2014, 08:05:18 PM
Post by: jasnt on December 05, 2014, 08:15:02 PM
My 2 main battle rifles are a .243 and a .300 Win Mag. You can shoot prairie dogs to buffaloes and everything in between.same here
Post by: actionshooter on December 05, 2014, 08:31:29 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 05, 2014, 08:34:43 PM
340 wby
Post by: Windwalker on December 05, 2014, 09:28:02 PM
Two rifles is easy enough...R8 Blaser & CZ 455 if I got the add-on calibers to go with them.
Think I'd dislike only two calibers for coyotes to Moose.... if stuck choosing two.. 243 and 300 Win Mag would suffice or a 22-250 and 338 Win Mag...
Push come to shove a person could get the job done with a 250-3000 & 7x57. Or a 257 Roberts and a 6.5x55. The list is end less.
One the same note a person could do just fine with only one of those.
Before media hype folks had to make do with what they had and the 30-30 was an easy choice.
My Great Grandmother was renown for one shot kills on everything (a long life time of harvesting food) including elk with a 250-3000 Savage 99.
She went on every hunt - only used a pump 22, pump 12 gauge and her Savage 99.
A simpler time when they hunted for meat and didn't pour over ballistic tables and latest selection of optics.
If in the south I would modify the selection taking into account the coyotes may be armed and only carry a LaRue or SCAR 17.
Tear that 10/22 apart and clean it.
You can find every fix and more than you ever wanted to know about your Ruger here - http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php)
There are assembly videos up the wazoo on youtube.
Post by: yorketransport on December 05, 2014, 10:04:36 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on December 05, 2014, 10:35:58 PM
Let’s say you wanted to hunt everything in the lower 48 from coyote size up to moose, and you could buy 2 rifles to do all that. What 2 calibers would you pick? The reason I ask, is that I’ve got the trusty old 06, but I may have the opportunity to hunt some Antelope next year and I’m worried that the 06 might blow them apart and (though I’ve never had the opportunity) I’ve thought that the 06 might be pushing it a little for elk.
So I’m considering selling the 06 and buying 2 rifles to replace it.
For 99% of everything mentioned the '06- especially if it is indeed a trusty old one (meaning you shoot it well), would do the job nicely.
A smaller caliber gun might be nice if you plan on hunting toward the coyote end a lot.
A magnum might be nice for elk or moose at truly longer ranges if you can shoot it well enough to be accurate at those ranges.
I would personally never willingly part with any "trusty old" rifle of any caliber.
Everything from .223 to 375mag has been recommended...along with everything in between. While it is hard to pick two, realize every choice even among those two will be a compromise of sorts, and the "best" bullet to kill any animal is likely one that was fired most accurately.
My :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on December 05, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
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I really never understood all the love the 30-06 gets? Sure people can say how long it has been around and how many people have used it to take animals, but with that logic the 30-30 should be considered one of the best of the best? The old 06 is such a dog looking at the numbers compared to so many of the even mainstream options available today.
:yike:
A "dog"? If you really look at the numbers, you'll see there's virtually no difference between the 270, 280, and 30/06. The 7mm Rem Mag and the 300 Win Mag really don't do any better than the "old '06" until you get out well beyond 300 yards.
The 30/06 is popular because it's GOOD! You really just can't beat it for what the vast majority of hunters need in a big game cartridge.
Post by: Taco280AI on December 05, 2014, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: Special T on December 05, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
Have you seen the ammo selection for the 30-30? Its pathetic in comparison, and more expensive.
Post by: Dan-o on December 05, 2014, 11:14:54 PM
The 2nd would be a Savage 111 in 7MM Rem Mag, because you just can't go wrong with the best rifle out there. :-)
Post by: RadSav on December 06, 2014, 02:06:20 AM
QuoteI really never understood all the love the 30-06 gets? Sure people can say how long it has been around and how many people have used it to take animals, but with that logic the 30-30 should be considered one of the best of the best? The old 06 is such a dog looking at the numbers compared to so many of the even mainstream options available today.
:yike:
A "dog"? If you really look at the numbers, you'll see there's virtually no difference between the 270, 280, and 30/06. The 7mm Rem Mag and the 300 Win Mag really don't do any better than the "old '06" until you get out well beyond 300 yards.
Take the 300WM and the 30-06 both loaded with 180 grain bullets. The difference in speed, at the muzzle, between the two is 30% less than the speed of my 63# compound bow. At 500 yards there is less than a foot difference in trajectory - barely larger than the length of the human head! In my mind you don't really start seeing a concernable difference between the two until you near the 800 yard mark.
If I had the two sitting side-by-side and both shot equally I'd definitely take the 300 when I hit the elk woods, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'd label the 30-06 a "dog". Then again, perhaps my definition of a "Dog" is quite different than cboom's :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on December 06, 2014, 05:23:06 AM
Post by: black hog on December 06, 2014, 08:00:52 AM
Post by: SCRUBS on December 06, 2014, 08:18:22 AM
keep your 30-06 and get a .243, you're all set :tup:
:yeah: :yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 06, 2014, 08:28:50 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 06, 2014, 08:57:17 AM
Post by: RadSav on December 06, 2014, 07:45:22 PM
Definition of a dog should be something that doesn't leave the muzzle at at least 3000 fps. :chuckle:
So the 30-06, 300WM, 325WSM and the 338WM don't make the grade, huh? Well, a least with medium weight bullets. Leaves some pretty sexy dogs out there! :chuckle:
Post by: Bullkllr on December 06, 2014, 08:07:02 PM
Post by: RadSav on December 06, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
I don't think it's totally out of the question to load a 30/06 cartridge to produce 3000fps. Factory loads with 125 grain bullets claim 3000 or a bit more.
With a 24" barrel you can actually break 3,000 with a 150 grain bullet. I've never seen that speed produce what I would call stellar accuracy, but I do know a few that shoot their 06's that fast! Though I don't really consider the 125 or the 150 .308 bullets medium weight projectiles. I was thinking more along the lines of the 180 grainers. (200gn for .323 and 250gn for the .338).
Post by: wheels on December 06, 2014, 08:24:03 PM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 06, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
I like rifles, own about a dozen and have owned dozens. If I was limited to two rifles, they'd be these.
Post by: M_ray on December 06, 2014, 08:59:37 PM
Post by: Toptwo on December 07, 2014, 07:24:28 AM
I don't think it's totally out of the question to load a 30/06 cartridge to produce 3000fps. Factory loads with 125 grain bullets claim 3000 or a bit more.
Here is a factory load that will almost do that now: Remington express core-lokt 150gr. 2910fps @ muzzle
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/196583/remington-express-ammunition-30-06-springfield-150-grain-core-lokt-pointed-soft-point-box-of-20 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/196583/remington-express-ammunition-30-06-springfield-150-grain-core-lokt-pointed-soft-point-box-of-20)
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 07, 2014, 07:53:34 AM
Post by: motg9_6 on December 07, 2014, 08:37:40 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 09:37:38 AM
The 30-06 is nothing but a anemic .308 Winnie with a little lipstick on. Skip the learning curve and go with a .300 Wincheter Magnum.
Say it isn't so.
Post by: jackelope on December 07, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Band on December 07, 2014, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: Cap.Silver on December 07, 2014, 10:08:39 AM
However I'd also suggest the 300WM as great caliber :tup:
Post by: mountainman on December 07, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 07, 2014, 01:53:11 PM
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Post by: kingmountain on December 07, 2014, 08:00:08 PM