Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 09:01:20 AM
For shooting long range, say 300-600 yards... would going with a heavy 24" barrel like I've shot on the Stag Model 6 be a big benefit over an 18" barrel? I can pick up that 24" barrel from Stag for $200... and I've seen it "drive tacks"... they are made by ER Shaw...
And what about Blackholes polygonal rifling? Only benefit is easier cleaning?? Are they just as accurrate?
For an economy build... what is a great low cost 16" barrel?
Would love to see a good barrel discussion evolve on this thread...
Thank You
Post by: kisfish on December 05, 2014, 09:06:11 AM
Post by: huntnphool on December 05, 2014, 09:21:02 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
1:9 for the little ones? 1:8 for the bigguns?
Post by: lamrith on December 05, 2014, 10:42:34 AM
6.5grendel is a pretty sweet round, big game legal in WA, Great ballistics and trajectories similar to 308, low recoil, runs in std ar15 upper/lowers, only change is bolt only (not bcg), Mag and Barrel. I built one with a $299 Brownells 18" bolt&barrel combo, shot sub MOA on factory ammo...
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 11:24:46 AM
Done.
HOWEVER... yes... I am talking 556 on my main question here!
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 05, 2014, 11:28:28 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 05, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
I think we are all assuming you want to stay 556 or are you up for other calibers?
6.5grendel is a pretty sweet round, big game legal in WA, Great ballistics and trajectories similar to 308, low recoil, runs in std ar15 upper/lowers, only change is bolt only (not bcg), Mag and Barrel. I built one with a $299 Brownells 18" bolt&barrel combo, shot sub MOA on factory ammo...
A box of Hornady 6.5 Grendel 123gr A-Max or the 123gr SST costs less than a box of Federal 5.56/.223 Gold Medal Match and the BHW 8 twist barrels shoot the stuff great.
Post by: Hornseeker on December 05, 2014, 11:35:35 AM
Thanks for the info BH and Lam.
Post by: lamrith on December 05, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
This is a group I shot the 1st day I had my grendel built. Shots 1-4 were @ 25yrds to get on paper, the shots shown are 5-6-7 shot @ 100yrds. Using the Amax 123Gn Tounds BH mentioned. The image is 1/4 of a sheet of Std 8.5x11 paper which had other hits as I zero'd the scope in. Those 3 shots were to establish group before zeroing new scope.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1273.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fy419%2Flamrith%2Ftarget1_zps50ef2e83.jpg&hash=dd303cf59bd0cda8912f7b10f9f4dc1809c2b8c0) (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/lamrith/media/target1_zps50ef2e83.jpg.html)
As for 556..
I know some people swear by RedX barrels, might be worth a look?
I have not priced a barrel locally in a while, but used to always be cheap $99 barrels around in 16"
I would think 18-20" be a great balance for that longer range stuff. I had a 24" and it added velocity for sure. As mentioned, matching twist to the bullets you plan to shoot will be most important then barrel length.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 05, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
BHW does the 6.5 too? Will look.
Thanks for the info BH and Lam.
Yes. They label it the .264 LBC, it runs all Grendel ammo and for all purposes but in name. It is a 6.5 Grendel, the throat angle is better than the "Original" Grendel throat. I have a few laying around and they all shoot. :tup:
Some .264 LBC/ Grendel barrels.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi90.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk269%2Flandonmoses%2FMobile%2520Uploads%2FFullSizeRender_zps32f47be6.jpg&hash=2c0b7aae631b1ef609c0eac9d9ae8eb302ca6c5c) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/landonmoses/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zps32f47be6.jpg.html)
Post by: Swag on December 05, 2014, 01:06:06 PM
Post by: mountainman on December 05, 2014, 05:05:20 PM
Post by: emac on December 05, 2014, 05:11:57 PM
I think we are all assuming you want to stay 556 or are you up for other calibers?
6.5grendel is a pretty sweet round, big game legal in WA, Great ballistics and trajectories similar to 308, low recoil, runs in std ar15 upper/lowers, only change is bolt only (not bcg), Mag and Barrel. I built one with a $299 Brownells 18" bolt&barrel combo, shot sub MOA on factory ammo...
Do you know if any body is making a left handed bolt carrier for the 6.5 grendal
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Post by: Biggerhammer on December 05, 2014, 07:10:04 PM
I think we are all assuming you want to stay 556 or are you up for other calibers?
6.5grendel is a pretty sweet round, big game legal in WA, Great ballistics and trajectories similar to 308, low recoil, runs in std ar15 upper/lowers, only change is bolt only (not bcg), Mag and Barrel. I built one with a $299 Brownells 18" bolt&barrel combo, shot sub MOA on factory ammo...
Do you know if any body is making a left handed bolt carrier for the 6.5 grendal
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You could purchase a Stag Arms left hand upper receiver and bolt carrier. Look around and find a left hand 7.6x39 bolt, make sure it has the .124 or so bolt face depth which would be the same as the "Type I" .264 LBC bolts that BlackHole Weoponry uses, all my .264 LBC/ Grendel barrels are "Type I".
The bolt carrier for a 5.56/.223 is the same bolt carrier used for the .264 LBC/6.5 Grendel. The only difference being the bolt installed into the bolt carrier is different.
Order a .264 LBC type I barrel through Blackhole and put it together.
Post by: actionshooter on December 05, 2014, 07:42:57 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 06, 2014, 01:06:22 PM
Post by: Blacklab on December 06, 2014, 01:53:13 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 06, 2014, 03:16:11 PM
600!!!!! Damn!!!! wow. seems unnecessary... you were hopefully shooting 1 hole groups??
It shoots under MOA with 55s and have had several 1 hold groups with 69SMKs.
Post by: lokidog on December 06, 2014, 06:23:44 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 06, 2014, 06:29:08 PM
Following along. ;)Me too
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 06, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
I have shot a bunch of the different barrels, ER, BHW, White Oak and a lot I can't remember, but the best shooter, MOST ACCURATE hands down has been JP Precision, but be ready to fork out $600
Anyone care to guess who makes the barrels for JP?
When it comes to the AR world you would be shocked how many "manufacturers" don't manufacture anything.
Post by: dscubame on December 06, 2014, 06:39:02 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 06, 2014, 07:06:47 PM
I have shot a bunch of the different barrels, ER, BHW, White Oak and a lot I can't remember, but the best shooter, MOST ACCURATE hands down has been JP Precision, but be ready to fork out $600
Anyone care to guess who makes the barrels for JP?
When it comes to the AR world you would be shocked how many "manufacturers" don't manufacture anything.
Its not really a secret, but its not my place to put that on the net either.
I don't know the specifics, maybe they use better blanks/steel, maybe better tooling. I know I won't buy one of the " that manufacturers" barrels because they haven't been that good for me.
I also believe the cryogenics make a huge difference, but there are a bunch of people who argue that too. :dunno:
The two things I do know, JP stuff flat shoots, and you will be hard pressed to find better customer service.
I also know when I go to a big match (150+) and you look at the rifle racks, 50% are complete JP guns or have JP parts installed.
Seekins precision is coming on fast right now also and no, I don't know who makes their barrels. :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on December 06, 2014, 07:14:07 PM
Wilson?I have shot a bunch of the different barrels, ER, BHW, White Oak and a lot I can't remember, but the best shooter, MOST ACCURATE hands down has been JP Precision, but be ready to fork out $600
Anyone care to guess who makes the barrels for JP?
When it comes to the AR world you would be shocked how many "manufacturers" don't manufacture anything.
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 06, 2014, 10:42:26 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 08, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
Post by: cookingdaily on December 08, 2014, 02:34:19 PM
slickguns.com
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Post by: Blacklab on December 12, 2014, 05:29:29 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 12, 2014, 05:59:13 AM
The new Mega barrels shoot good and I think there is one available in marketplace.
The Rainier super über duper match barrels shoot great, but are overpriced IMHO.
If you can find one...... The FN A-2 barrels are money.
Post by: wildweeds on December 12, 2014, 06:23:35 AM
Post by: Blacklab on December 12, 2014, 06:51:44 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 12, 2014, 08:13:21 AM
Post by: mountainman on December 12, 2014, 09:12:44 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 12, 2014, 09:40:08 AM
Post by: wildweeds on December 12, 2014, 06:19:10 PM
Upon rereading your original post,it sounds like your looking for exactly what I set out to put together.I went to my safe and looked at the envelope I put in there with every receipt and the total build expense. 1528.83 for weapon only (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2FDSCN14672.JPG&hash=2a52de50fe620e64955afcf9243d680a5425751e)
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 12, 2014, 08:12:45 PM
Post by: Blacklab on December 12, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
Hornseeker,
Upon rereading your original post,it sounds like your looking for exactly what I set out to put together.I went to my safe and looked at the envelope I put in there with every receipt and the total build expense. 1528.83 for weapon only (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2FDSCN14672.JPG&hash=2a52de50fe620e64955afcf9243d680a5425751e)
That will get her done!!!!! :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: wildweeds on December 12, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
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How does it shoot Wildweeds? BHW barrel? Tried any of the Factory Hornady A-Max or SST's.
Post by: wildweeds on December 12, 2014, 09:25:29 PM