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Title: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: seakev on December 06, 2014, 12:58:00 PM
http://dor.wa.gov/Docs/Pubs/SpecialNotices/2014/sn_14_Firearms.pdf (http://dor.wa.gov/Docs/Pubs/SpecialNotices/2014/sn_14_Firearms.pdf)

Well, here it is. Anyone surprised?
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: lamrith on December 06, 2014, 01:06:36 PM
Actually, the way that reads is that they do not have to collect sale tax if I sell you a gun and go thru a dealer for background check.  IT also extends that now to interstate transfers like buying a gun thru gunbroker.

Dealer purchases, or transfers like Bud's would still require tax collection.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: stevemiller on December 06, 2014, 01:07:38 PM
Well there is your firearm registration for firearms purchased from here on.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: Special T on December 06, 2014, 01:07:53 PM
I saw that and forwarded it to my gunsmith/dealer. It is clarification that was needed.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: lamrith on December 06, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
Nevermind, I was not yet all the way thru it, per the last page tax is due.

That means when you pass away and your family is now FORCED to get a background check, they also get hit with tax, ontop of any normal estate tax.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 06, 2014, 01:19:47 PM
Actually, the way that reads is that they do not have to collect sale tax if I sell you a gun and go thru a dealer for background check.  IT also extends that now to interstate transfers like buying a gun thru gunbroker.

Dealer purchases, or transfers like Bud's would still require tax collection.

"Is the interstate transfer of a firearm from a licensed dealer subject to sales tax or use tax?

Yes. An in-state firearms dealer involved in the transfer of a firearm from an out-of-state licensed firearms dealer to an unlicensed person in this state (interstate transfers) remains responsible for collecting use tax from the transferee."

You still have to pay tax on guns brought in from out of state. So if you buy a gun from gun broker that is out of state and brought into Washington you still have to pay tax.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 06, 2014, 01:20:24 PM
all my guns were given away to my kids prior to 594.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: bigmacc on December 06, 2014, 03:31:34 PM
They need to print up something like this to explain the whole bill,a yes you can do this....and no you cant do that,without all the "attorney talk" Ive talked to some buddies in the sheriffs dept that are having a hard time figuring this thing out,all aspects of this bill that I beleive was worded the way it was to confuse voters... :twocents:
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: Bob33 on December 06, 2014, 03:44:31 PM
You still have to pay tax on guns brought in from out of state. So if you buy a gun from gun broker that is out of state and brought into Washington you still have to pay tax.
Yes that Is current law. Use tax is required on out of state purchases.

dor.wa.gov/content/findtaxesandrates/usetax/
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 06, 2014, 03:54:42 PM
Indeed. The link you posted bob is on general goods.

Here is the firearm specific link for anyone who would like to read it.

http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx (http://dor.wa.gov/Content/GetAFormOrPublication/PublicationBySubject/TaxTopics/FirearmTransfers.aspx)
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: cem3434 on December 06, 2014, 03:55:10 PM
If the sale of a firearm is completed on ceded lands, then is the buyer subject to a FFL transfer and paying sales tax? Unless I read it incorrectly, it appears that anyone can still complete private sales on tribal or ceded lands. Am I missing something or does this RCW somehow apply to sales on ceded lands?
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 06, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
I was wondering if a receiver or a frame would require a background check under 594?

Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 06, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 06, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.

The feds do, but does 594 address it?

Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 06, 2014, 05:01:24 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.

The feds do, but does 594 address it?
interesting.  feds regulate a part, 594 mentions firearm...a receiver doesn't propel a projectile with gunpowder.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 06, 2014, 05:03:02 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.

The feds do, but does 594 address it?
interesting.  feds regulate a part, 594 mentions firearm...a receiver doesn't propel a projectile with gunpowder.

Exactly
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: Windwalker on December 06, 2014, 05:07:12 PM
 Hard to keep civil thoughts reading this. Must be getting old and grumpy.. >:(
 
Tax Tax Tax -
If $ changes hands- and sometimes even if it doesn't you can bet there will will be a tax owed.
Use tax...? There is no longer any defense against arbitrary taxation.

If it goes through the pipes for registration I am sure it will be tagged for taxes.
Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 06, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.

The feds do, but does 594 address it?
interesting.  feds regulate a part, 594 mentions firearm...a receiver doesn't propel a projectile with gunpowder.

Exactly

I see what you are saying.  This is the exact wording on 594:

"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

I am sure they would have thought about that but it's not very clear by there definition. I know what the fed's call a firearm. On the state level who knows, maybe the consider it a device used for making a gun?

Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 06, 2014, 05:29:28 PM
I am sure it would require a background check since they consider a receiver/frame a firearm.

The feds do, but does 594 address it?
interesting.  feds regulate a part, 594 mentions firearm...a receiver doesn't propel a projectile with gunpowder.

Exactly

I see what you are saying.  This is the exact wording on 594:

"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

I am sure they would have thought about that but it's not very clear by there definition. I know what the fed's call a firearm. On the state level who knows, maybe the consider it a device used for making a gun?

I don't know if they thought of it.

I know on the Federal level a frame/rec'r falls under a different classification when it comes to FET.

Title: Re: I-594 Special Notice from DOR
Post by: hrd2fnd on December 06, 2014, 06:39:26 PM
I recall bigtex stating in another thread that 504 stills applies even if on tribal land
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