Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on December 08, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
Washington Fish and Wildlife agents are investigating the first probable case of a wolf killing livestock in Whitman County. The incident occurred early Friday afternoon when an apparent wolf killed a sheep in the Northern part of the county. Fish and wildlife agents quickly responded and believe the sheep was killed by a wolf based on the damage done to the animal and since wolves have been sighted in the area. The wolf situation in Whitman County has ramped up quickly this year. The first ever confirmed sighting of a wolf came last Winter near Lacrosse. Then in October a wolf was shot and killed outside Pullman marking the first time in Washington’s history that a wolf poaching suspect has been identified. Now comes the first wolf predation in Whitman County which is leading fish and wildlife to believe there may be a pack settling on the Palouse. Fish and wildlife agents are working with ranchers in Northern Whitman County on non-lethal deterrents to keep wolves away from livestock - See more at: http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf)
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 08, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 08, 2014, 01:48:58 PM
Post by: VarmintVentilator on December 08, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 08, 2014, 03:06:50 PM
Wolves in the Methow were reported to WDFW for several years before they were finally forced to confirm a pack.
Post by: Booman2 on December 08, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
Post by: Bango skank on December 08, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
Youve done a great job of spouting off statistics that prove we have many many times more head of cattle than wolves. If we had the same number of wolves in the lower 48 that we have cattle how would those numbers look? Go back to your anti hunting forum ringmeat
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 08, 2014, 08:04:04 PM
Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
Not for the lack of effort on the wolves side, humans have just been lucky so far!
Post by: Bean Counter on December 08, 2014, 08:46:29 PM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on December 09, 2014, 08:35:06 AM
I'm guessing that the people "killed" by cows were subsequent to a vehicle collision ..
Vets or handlers getting kicked also. Just had someone injured here at WSU in the last month being kicked in the chest.
Post by: VarmintVentilator on December 09, 2014, 08:44:49 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 09, 2014, 08:47:20 AM
From http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/ (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/)
Washington Fish and Wildlife agents are investigating the first probable case of a wolf killing livestock in Whitman County. The incident occurred early Friday afternoon when an apparent wolf killed a sheep in the Northern part of the county. Fish and wildlife agents quickly responded and believe the sheep was killed by a wolf based on the damage done to the animal and since wolves have been sighted in the area. The wolf situation in Whitman County has ramped up quickly this year. The first ever confirmed sighting of a wolf came last Winter near Lacrosse. Then in October a wolf was shot and killed outside Pullman marking the first time in Washington’s history that a wolf poaching suspect has been identified. Now comes the first wolf predation in Whitman County which is leading fish and wildlife to believe there may be a pack settling on the Palouse. Fish and wildlife agents are working with ranchers in Northern Whitman County on non-lethal deterrents to keep wolves away from livestock - See more at: http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf)
We know which wolf didn't kill the sheep. :dunno:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
It's pretty easy for someone living in Ridgefield or Vancouver to judge the people in our state who have to actually live with these pests. First of all, your statistics primarily show OR numbers. OR has a far less aggressive wolf plan than ours and their DF&W is far more responsive to resolving human/wolf conflict. Your statistics don't show the damage being done to cattle and sheep in our state. They don't show what would have happened if a hunter in the NE last month hadn't had a gun and killed a wolf that was part of a pack stalking him. Your statistics don't show the pets that have been eaten or the spread of parasites from wolves to dogs, even humans (zoonosis) from Echinococcus granulosus. Your misleading and impertinent facts have nothing to do with WA's wolf program. Other than having a canned, pro-wolf response with a shortcut on your desktop, or a head filled with propaganda from some Seattle or wetside greenies, I wonder whether you have any pertinent information or have done any actual research regarding wolves and their impact in WA. I doubt it, judging of course only from the lack of depth in your little list.
Post by: wolfbait on December 09, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
From http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/ (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/)
Washington Fish and Wildlife agents are investigating the first probable case of a wolf killing livestock in Whitman County. The incident occurred early Friday afternoon when an apparent wolf killed a sheep in the Northern part of the county. Fish and wildlife agents quickly responded and believe the sheep was killed by a wolf based on the damage done to the animal and since wolves have been sighted in the area. The wolf situation in Whitman County has ramped up quickly this year. The first ever confirmed sighting of a wolf came last Winter near Lacrosse. Then in October a wolf was shot and killed outside Pullman marking the first time in Washington’s history that a wolf poaching suspect has been identified. Now comes the first wolf predation in Whitman County which is leading fish and wildlife to believe there may be a pack settling on the Palouse. Fish and wildlife agents are working with ranchers in Northern Whitman County on non-lethal deterrents to keep wolves away from livestock - See more at: http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf)
We know which wolf didn't kill the sheep. :dunno:
I wonder how many times this guy complained to WDFW about wolves hanging out around his home?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 09:28:49 AM
I would ask you the same question. Your statements imply an exaggerated risk and impact of wolves in Washington. Reality is they are here, they are about the least amount of risk you might encounter in stepping outside your home, and I am not aware of any data showing declines in game abundance or hunter harvest that can be linked to wolves.Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
It's pretty easy for someone living in Ridgefield or Vancouver to judge the people in our state who have to actually live with these pests. First of all, your statistics primarily show OR numbers. OR has a far less aggressive wolf plan than ours and their DF&W is far more responsive to resolving human/wolf conflict. Your statistics don't show the damage being done to cattle and sheep in our state. They don't show what would have happened if a hunter in the NE last month hadn't had a gun and killed a wolf that was part of a pack stalking him. Your statistics don't show the pets that have been eaten or the spread of parasites from wolves to dogs, even humans (zoonosis) from Echinococcus granulosus. Your misleading and impertinent facts have nothing to do with WA's wolf program. Other than having a canned, pro-wolf response with a shortcut on your desktop, or a head filled with propaganda from some Seattle or wetside greenies, I wonder whether you have any pertinent information or have done any actual research regarding wolves and their impact in WA. I doubt it, judging of course only from the lack of depth in your little list.
Post by: bearpaw on December 09, 2014, 09:37:44 AM
I would ask you the same question. Your statements imply an exaggerated risk and impact of wolves in Washington. Reality is they are here, they are about the least amount of risk you might encounter in stepping outside your home, and I am not aware of any data showing declines in game abundance or hunter harvest that can be linked to wolves.Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
It's pretty easy for someone living in Ridgefield or Vancouver to judge the people in our state who have to actually live with these pests. First of all, your statistics primarily show OR numbers. OR has a far less aggressive wolf plan than ours and their DF&W is far more responsive to resolving human/wolf conflict. Your statistics don't show the damage being done to cattle and sheep in our state. They don't show what would have happened if a hunter in the NE last month hadn't had a gun and killed a wolf that was part of a pack stalking him. Your statistics don't show the pets that have been eaten or the spread of parasites from wolves to dogs, even humans (zoonosis) from Echinococcus granulosus. Your misleading and impertinent facts have nothing to do with WA's wolf program. Other than having a canned, pro-wolf response with a shortcut on your desktop, or a head filled with propaganda from some Seattle or wetside greenies, I wonder whether you have any pertinent information or have done any actual research regarding wolves and their impact in WA. I doubt it, judging of course only from the lack of depth in your little list.
There certainly are no statistics in WA showing wolf impacts because WDFW isn't doing any studies to prove wolf impacts and I seriously doubt they will do any studies soon because they are so busy promoting wolves. :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 09:47:09 AM
From http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/ (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/)
Washington Fish and Wildlife agents are investigating the first probable case of a wolf killing livestock in Whitman County. The incident occurred early Friday afternoon when an apparent wolf killed a sheep in the Northern part of the county. Fish and wildlife agents quickly responded and believe the sheep was killed by a wolf based on the damage done to the animal and since wolves have been sighted in the area. The wolf situation in Whitman County has ramped up quickly this year. The first ever confirmed sighting of a wolf came last Winter near Lacrosse. Then in October a wolf was shot and killed outside Pullman marking the first time in Washington’s history that a wolf poaching suspect has been identified. Now comes the first wolf predation in Whitman County which is leading fish and wildlife to believe there may be a pack settling on the Palouse. Fish and wildlife agents are working with ranchers in Northern Whitman County on non-lethal deterrents to keep wolves away from livestock - See more at: http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf (http://www.pullmanradio.com/whitman-countys-first-probable-instance-of-wolf-killing-livestock-reported/#sthash.lVBkGLCU.dpuf)
We know which wolf didn't kill the sheep. :dunno:
I wonder how many times this guy complained to WDFW about wolves hanging out around his home?
Probably almost enough times that he'll get in his truck and chase the wolf down and kill it.........
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 09:53:50 AM
I would ask you the same question. Your statements imply an exaggerated risk and impact of wolves in Washington. Reality is they are here, they are about the least amount of risk you might encounter in stepping outside your home, and I am not aware of any data showing declines in game abundance or hunter harvest that can be linked to wolves.Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
It's pretty easy for someone living in Ridgefield or Vancouver to judge the people in our state who have to actually live with these pests. First of all, your statistics primarily show OR numbers. OR has a far less aggressive wolf plan than ours and their DF&W is far more responsive to resolving human/wolf conflict. Your statistics don't show the damage being done to cattle and sheep in our state. They don't show what would have happened if a hunter in the NE last month hadn't had a gun and killed a wolf that was part of a pack stalking him. Your statistics don't show the pets that have been eaten or the spread of parasites from wolves to dogs, even humans (zoonosis) from Echinococcus granulosus. Your misleading and impertinent facts have nothing to do with WA's wolf program. Other than having a canned, pro-wolf response with a shortcut on your desktop, or a head filled with propaganda from some Seattle or wetside greenies, I wonder whether you have any pertinent information or have done any actual research regarding wolves and their impact in WA. I doubt it, judging of course only from the lack of depth in your little list.
I know how much you love the wolves, but I definitely have to call BS on your reply. I didn't make one exaggerated statement. Our plan is more aggressive. His stats are OR stats - nothing to do with WA. E. granulosus is a zoonosis, is transmittable to pets, and further, affects 60+% of wolves tested so far in MT and ID. Nothing I said is exaggerated. He doesn't have information about cow and sheep kills in WA OR about pet losses. A hunter did kill a wolf in self-defense last month.
Your knee jerk reactions to always take the side of the wolves are extremely tiring and now, you've resorted to misinformation. I exaggerated nothing and implied nothing. I stated facts. Maybe those facts don't coincide with the brain-washing you've received but that's your problem.
Post by: sirmissalot on December 09, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
I am not aware of any data showing declines in game abundance or hunter harvest that can be linked to wolves.
Nope, loss of habitat right? :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
Been kicked many times over the years, but in the chest? Man that would hurt!
It does :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 10:10:55 AM
I would ask you the same question. Your statements imply an exaggerated risk and impact of wolves in Washington. Reality is they are here, they are about the least amount of risk you might encounter in stepping outside your home, and I am not aware of any data showing declines in game abundance or hunter harvest that can be linked to wolves.Humans killed by wolves in North America last year: 0
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
It's pretty easy for someone living in Ridgefield or Vancouver to judge the people in our state who have to actually live with these pests. First of all, your statistics primarily show OR numbers. OR has a far less aggressive wolf plan than ours and their DF&W is far more responsive to resolving human/wolf conflict. Your statistics don't show the damage being done to cattle and sheep in our state. They don't show what would have happened if a hunter in the NE last month hadn't had a gun and killed a wolf that was part of a pack stalking him. Your statistics don't show the pets that have been eaten or the spread of parasites from wolves to dogs, even humans (zoonosis) from Echinococcus granulosus. Your misleading and impertinent facts have nothing to do with WA's wolf program. Other than having a canned, pro-wolf response with a shortcut on your desktop, or a head filled with propaganda from some Seattle or wetside greenies, I wonder whether you have any pertinent information or have done any actual research regarding wolves and their impact in WA. I doubt it, judging of course only from the lack of depth in your little list.
There certainly are no statistics in WA showing wolf impacts because WDFW isn't doing any studies to prove wolf impacts and I seriously doubt they will do any studies soon because they are so busy promoting wolves. :twocents:
WDFW already outlined their plan which is basically if they see a serious decline in ungulate numbers in an area they'll initiate a 3 year study. Problem is WDFW has no clue how many Elk/Deer as they don't do surveys.
They rely heavily on hunter harvest reports.
Here is something I've been saying all along and I'm glad Idahohunter finally agrees with me.
My observation is that hunting pressure on public land pushes game to less pressured private land
If a hunter can alter game movement then a wolf can do it x1000, they're a coursing predator and move game for a living, it's how they hunt. Wolves avoid humans so the only reprieve animals get is moving where wolves don't - into hunters' crosshairs. Just like all those parking lot elk in yellowstone...
This activity by wolves moves game into better areas for hunters to access, they move Elk out of the deep dark inaccessible holes and out to where hunters can see and shoot them.
It creates artificially high success rates.
This is why relying so much on hunter harvest reports is such a flaw in WDFW's approach and why IDH can say he doesn't see any data about the decreasing population of ungulates in WA.
loop-de-loop!
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 10:26:07 AM
They are out right now collecting and marking moose for population estimates. They have seen such increases in moose numbers they are INCREASING moose permits 20%. All moose hunting is in NE Wa where wolves are at the highest densities. Overall moose numbers are increasing though (and we all know moose are a primary food for wolves)...so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters. We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves. Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on December 09, 2014, 10:32:44 AM
so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters. We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves. Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:
Studies proving wolf impacts on game herds in Idaho, Montana, Canada, Alaska, and elsewhere indicate that statement is just your own personal propaganda. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 10:34:52 AM
Its actually called sarcasm bearpaw...KF was pointing out where we agree by taking liberties with my statements...I was merely returning the favor :chuckle:so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters. We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves. Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:
Studies proving wolf impacts on game herds in Idaho, Montana, Canada, Alaska, and elsewhere indicate that statement is just your own personal propaganda. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on December 09, 2014, 10:37:11 AM
Its actually called sarcasm bearpaw...KF was pointing out where we agree by taking liberties with my statements...I was merely returning the favor :chuckle:so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters. We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves. Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:
Studies proving wolf impacts on game herds in Idaho, Montana, Canada, Alaska, and elsewhere indicate that statement is just your own personal propaganda. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
So you are admitting that studies have shown that wolves do impact game herds?
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 10:48:07 AM
You ever see a moose being run by wolves? I have, a big bull. I would never have seen him if it weren't for the aid of the wolves. Had I a moose tag I'd have been successful right then, due to the aid of the wolves.
Have you seen a herd of Elk stampede down out of the timber and run into a large opening so they could see? I have, some nice ones in there too. Again, I wouldn't have seen them had it not been for the wolves driving them out of the timber. Easy to count them when they're all standing in a large field noses up blowing hard staring back at the timber.
Listening to you one would think wolves increased moose, elk and deer populations.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 09, 2014, 11:11:02 AM
It's easier to see and find the moose when the wolves are moving them, same rules apply for WDFW bio's too. A moose on the move is easier to count and see than a moose in a hole.I have heard that ranchers that have cattle where wolves have returned, have seen the cows do things like herd up in the open instead of acting like they did before. That even when they've had the gate open they won't move up the mountain into summer grazing leases because of the wolves. In the past the cattle would head on up, now the ranchers have to force them out and a few hurt themselves trying to get back so they won't have to go in to the heavier cover with the wolves. On the hot days the cows will still be out in the sun in the open instead of laying under the trees.
You ever see a moose being run by wolves? I have, a big bull. I would never have seen him if it weren't for the aid of the wolves. Had I a moose tag I'd have been successful right then, due to the aid of the wolves.
Have you seen a herd of Elk stampede down out of the timber and run into a large opening so they could see? I have, some nice ones in there too. Again, I wouldn't have seen them had it not been for the wolves driving them out of the timber. Easy to count them when they're all standing in a large field noses up blowing hard staring back at the timber.
Listening to you one would think wolves increased moose, elk and deer populations.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 11:25:32 AM
I've never suggested wolves haven't impacted game herds. The scope and scale of the supposed impact is what I usually take issue with. You know...folks that talk about how wolves will end or destroy hunting.Its actually called sarcasm bearpaw...KF was pointing out where we agree by taking liberties with my statements...I was merely returning the favor :chuckle:so I guess what you are saying is at high densities wolves alter game behavior but do not usually cause any sort of declines in game abundance?...even with lots of wolves running around up in NE Wa, you agree the primary effect is a benefit to hunters. We totally agree...the relative impact of wolves on game abundance and availability to hunters is insignificant...there will continue to be lots of deer, elk, moose hunting throughout Washington regardless of wolves. Killing them will help with depredation issues and increase social tolerance...but even if they never de-list them it will not have a substantial impact to hunting. :tup:
Studies proving wolf impacts on game herds in Idaho, Montana, Canada, Alaska, and elsewhere indicate that statement is just your own personal propaganda. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
So you are admitting that studies have shown that wolves do impact game herds?
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 11:30:56 AM
It's easier to see and find the moose when the wolves are moving them, same rules apply for WDFW bio's too. A moose on the move is easier to count and see than a moose in a hole.I guess without wolves then you wouldn't see any game KF? They would all be holed up and inaccessible. Everything you are posting is making the case that wolves improve hunting. What a remarkable turn around. :chuckle:
You ever see a moose being run by wolves? I have, a big bull. I would never have seen him if it weren't for the aid of the wolves. Had I a moose tag I'd have been successful right then, due to the aid of the wolves.
Have you seen a herd of Elk stampede down out of the timber and run into a large opening so they could see? I have, some nice ones in there too. Again, I wouldn't have seen them had it not been for the wolves driving them out of the timber. Easy to count them when they're all standing in a large field noses up blowing hard staring back at the timber.
Listening to you one would think wolves increased moose, elk and deer populations.
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 11:31:17 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 11:34:08 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2014, 11:56:14 AM
idahohntr has lost all credibility in this thread. KF, don't even bother getting into the mud with him. Let him sink on his own.
I'm glad he's here P-man. He helps get the word out by keeping the dialog going. Without IDH the wolf section would be all slanted one way and easier for those who are slightly pro-wolf to write us all off as wolf haters and be done with it. New comers with the Disney wolf blinders on will initially identify with IDH giving all his posts a :tup: and basically be part of his fan club for a time...but with a little patience and solid logic they eventually drift off with a kernel of doubt they didn't have before. It takes patience though and not belittlement or anger.
You can always tell when no one's left in IDH's fan club, he :tup: his own posts :chuckle:
Here's to you IDH :brew:
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 02:11:59 PM
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Post by: sirmissalot on December 09, 2014, 02:44:15 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 03:01:11 PM
Here's a little quote for you fellas that always want to turn a wolf thread into conversation about me personally:
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
When, you challenged me for my response to another member as "exaggeration", I dissected your erroneous retort piece by piece and there was no further discussion from you because you were wrong. But you wouldn't admit that. So, where does that put you in Eleanor Roosevelt's quote? You didn't discuss ideas or even events. You only tried to make me look bad and you failed. When you're faced off for it you run away from the discussion or make more stuff up. Nice quote but if it's taken at its word, you have a "small mind". Your quote, not mine.
Post by: idahohuntr on December 09, 2014, 03:44:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2014, 04:37:35 PM
Post by: wolfbait on December 10, 2014, 06:37:16 PM
http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/wolves-descend-into-whitman-county/30148826 (http://www.kxly.com/news/spokane-news/wolves-descend-into-whitman-county/30148826)
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
ya :rolleyes:
I mean it's not like other states haven't been dealing with this for years yet WDFW wants to spout off feel good garbage that they know doesn't work.
http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/the-exterminators/Content?oid=1137944 (http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/the-exterminators/Content?oid=1137944)
Post by: jasnt on December 10, 2014, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: denali on December 18, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
Looks like more sheep killed and guard dog missing. >:(
Post by: wolfbait on December 18, 2014, 09:31:08 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on December 18, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
"Fladgry is a fence line with red flagging hanging from it,” Luers said. “It's a European method developed that works very well with canines.”
ya :rolleyes:
I mean it's not like other states haven't been dealing with this for years yet WDFW wants to spout off feel good garbage that they know doesn't work.
http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/the-exterminators/Content?oid=1137944 (http://missoulanews.bigskypress.com/missoula/the-exterminators/Content?oid=1137944)
Started thinking, why does it have to be a red flag. Every time I see this I think it's a bunch of crap. Canines only see in shades of blue, yellow, and gray.
Post by: timberfaller on December 18, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
Cows killed by wolves last year in Oregon: 5
Humans killed by cows nationwide: 20
Cows and calves in Oregon that died from all causes- disease, birth, cars, etc.- prior to market (approx.): 52,000
Cows killed by trucks in or near Madras, Oregon: 40
The ONE item not mentioned about the above, SOME deaths of livestock are covered by Insurance company's, where as Wolf kills will not be paid for at the present.
Post by: Nick 139 on December 20, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
Wolves have the right to exist in this state! One state and Federal land, and also on private land if the land owner is ok with them being there, but not on my land. I pay the taxes here and I should be able to govern my own land, as i see fit And the second that the state gets through messing around and delisted these dogs, they will be put on notice. The Coyote population already knows the pick up the pace when cutting across, so it shouldn't take very long for the wolves to learn that lesson!
To the tree huggers that want a place to walk/jog/ride your bike. Id suggest that you borrow a gun and protect yourself Oh wait you can't Borrow guns any more, well you'd better be able to run fast then. and please don't litter on private land owners property.