Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 10, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Post by: jasnt on December 10, 2014, 08:38:51 PM
Post by: raydog on December 10, 2014, 08:53:41 PM
Post by: romaknows on December 10, 2014, 09:03:31 PM
I have never thought of hunting with one. What would be the benefit?
For me the benefit would be not making my tinnitus any worse than it is , ever since my ears started ringing I have missed out on a lot of opportunitys at game due to me putting ear plugs in.
I just don't know if a suppressed .270 would still due damage to my ears.
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 10, 2014, 09:12:33 PM
I have never thought of hunting with one. What would be the benefit?
For me the benefit would be not making my tinnitus any worse than it is , ever since my ears started ringing I have missed out on a lot of opportunitys at game due to me putting ear plugs in.
I just don't know if a suppressed .270 would still due damage to my ears.
I can barely hear out of my left ear anymore. All my fault from all the years of duck hunting without plugs in. I could only imagine a can would help.
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 10, 2014, 09:23:17 PM
Post by: Maverick26 on December 10, 2014, 10:01:16 PM
Shooting subsonic 208amaxs in the 300BO, you can hear the round hitting down range louder than the gun going off.
To the guy with the .270 and Tennitus... If you get a can like mine you will be miles ahead on ear protection. I would still consider putting a plug in your left ear if you are a RH shooter. It always seems to be the outside ear that gets the pounding.
Most folks think its a novelty but I use the crap out of mine. I also use it when hunting coyotes in farm land where I might be close to houses or barns. Keeps the noise down and makes everyone happy.
Post by: birddogdad on December 11, 2014, 07:33:44 AM
the COST associated with EACH of these (yes you pay by the silencer), the LAWS for storage (if you have anyone else in house or access to your safe you are required to separate safe store), ACCESS by others (cant share with anyone not stamped) ect, really make this a costly adventure and frankly susceptible to problems in field. I would recommend a quality set of ear protection at a fraction of cost!
Post by: Hornseeker on December 11, 2014, 08:31:38 AM
If it was legal here, I would use them... I will get one for my ARs for shooting and predator hunting (which is legal here)...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 11, 2014, 09:09:02 AM
Post by: sirmissalot on December 11, 2014, 09:44:23 AM
I own a Thunderbeast Arms 30P-1 and I hunt with it and use it on almost every rifle I own. I can shoot my 300wm all day with no ear pro. I also use it on my 6.5 creedmore, my 5.56 AR stuff and my 300Blackout. The wait time sucked but I think the money spent on the can was worth it, the extra $200 tax is not worth it but it is the law.
Shooting subsonic 208amaxs in the 300BO, you can hear the round hitting down range louder than the gun going off.
To the guy with the .270 and Tennitus... If you get a can like mine you will be miles ahead on ear protection. I would still consider putting a plug in your left ear if you are a RH shooter. It always seems to be the outside ear that gets the pounding.
Most folks think its a novelty but I use the crap out of mine. I also use it when hunting coyotes in farm land where I might be close to houses or barns. Keeps the noise down and makes everyone happy.
I didn't know you can use them for multiple calibers. I've asked this question on here before but it's never been answered.
I've been pondering a 300 black out build for an ar with a short barrel to make it a little more usable. If I could use the same can on that, on my 6.5x284 as well as my 5.56... Probably need a different one for a 22 in guessing.
Can anyone clarify this for me? If I can in fact use it on multiple calibers and swap guns... I'm gonna go an order one TODAY.
Post by: jasnt on December 11, 2014, 10:28:16 AM
yes you can buy a 30 cal can and use it on any 30cal or smaller rifle.I own a Thunderbeast Arms 30P-1 and I hunt with it and use it on almost every rifle I own. I can shoot my 300wm all day with no ear pro. I also use it on my 6.5 creedmore, my 5.56 AR stuff and my 300Blackout. The wait time sucked but I think the money spent on the can was worth it, the extra $200 tax is not worth it but it is the law.
Shooting subsonic 208amaxs in the 300BO, you can hear the round hitting down range louder than the gun going off.
To the guy with the .270 and Tennitus... If you get a can like mine you will be miles ahead on ear protection. I would still consider putting a plug in your left ear if you are a RH shooter. It always seems to be the outside ear that gets the pounding.
Most folks think its a novelty but I use the crap out of mine. I also use it when hunting coyotes in farm land where I might be close to houses or barns. Keeps the noise down and makes everyone happy.
I didn't know you can use them for multiple calibers. I've asked this question on here before but it's never been answered.
I've been pondering a 300 black out build for an ar with a short barrel to make it a little more usable. If I could use the same can on that, on my 6.5x284 as well as my 5.56... Probably need a different one for a 22 in guessing.
Can anyone clarify this for me? If I can in fact use it on multiple calibers and swap guns... I'm gonna go an order one TODAY.
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 11, 2014, 04:58:47 PM
Post by: raydog on December 11, 2014, 05:12:21 PM
I shot a suppressed .338 Lapua with a Thunderbeast can on it and it was definitely doable without ear protection. But large caliber cans are HUGE and lugging one through the mountains I hunt would suck.Can you easily put them on and take them off. Would be nice for the shooting range but suck for carrying around in the hills
Post by: huntandjeep on December 11, 2014, 05:36:35 PM
Raydog they thread onto the end of the barrel so takes all of 20 seconds to install/remove them
Post by: raydog on December 11, 2014, 06:41:13 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 11, 2014, 09:03:24 PM
This is a Christensen Arms CA-10 .308 with a Whispertek can.
Post by: longrangehunter338 on December 12, 2014, 12:43:59 AM
Post by: b23 on December 12, 2014, 07:26:51 AM
any change in accuracy with a suppressor?
The answer to this is somewhat subjective to the quality of the can you purchase. A top quality suppressor from someone like Thunderbeast will have no ill affect on group size. It may, slightly, change point of impact but won't change group size.
There is a lot of misinformation about suppressors/silencers.
1) Without a doubt, the best way to purchase one is to use a Trust. If you go with a Trust and you make yourself the executor you can add anyone to your Trust at any time and they can use any suppressor purchased through your Trust and you do not need to be present. If you go the Sheriff/Police Chief sign off form and you let a friend or family member use your suppressor, you have to be with them at all times while they are using it. Also, if you use the Law Enforcement sign off form, you have to get finger printed and get Law Enforcement to sign off on every suppressor you buy. With a Trust you don't have to do any of that.
2) Biggest reason people use a different suppressor for rimfires than they do their centerfires is because rimfire cans are much much lighter. My Thunderbeast 22 suppressor weighs 3.5oz which is really light and my 223 can weighs 14.4oz which is one of the lightest 223 cans on the market but it's still over 10oz heavier than my little rimfire can. Also, rimfires are much dirtier to shoot then centerfires which is why most rimfire cans can be taken apart and cleaned.
3) One Suppressor can be used on multiple rifles but ALWAYS consult with the manufacturer before you use it on another rifle so you aren't using it on something that exceeds the pressure limits of the can you're using. Also, NEVER EVER use a 22LR rimfire suppressor on a .223 just because they both have .22cal hole in the end doesn't mean they can handle the pressures of a .223
Cost and wait time is the only real downside to suppressors.
Post by: sirmissalot on December 12, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
Post by: b23 on December 12, 2014, 07:56:11 AM
Also, with a Trust, in the even that you no longer are alive, you can pass the Trust off to whomever you choose to be your beneficiary. If you purchase a can by way of Law Enforcement sign off and you pass away, the suppressor has to be turned in to the proper authorities.
Using a Trust to purchase ATF controlled items the individual doesn't really own the items, the Trust does. I know it seems strange but it is what it is and it's by far the best way to purchase. Another goofy rule, ONLY an ATF agent can ask you for proof of legal ownership of a suppressor. Some ranges may ask to see your stamp in order to use their range with your suppressor though. Regular law enforcement can ask you but only the ATF is who you must show it too.
Post by: sooperfly on December 12, 2014, 02:41:43 PM
If you purchase a can by way of Law Enforcement sign off and you pass away, the suppressor has to be turned in to the proper authorities.
This is incorrect. You can pass an NFA item on to your heirs regardless how you registered it. Be it a Trust, Corp, or individual ( CLEO sign off ). If you had it registered in your scenario it would transfer tax-free to your heirs on a Form 5. The executor of your estate would do the paperwork.
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/10/how-to-fill-out-an-atf-form-5.html (http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/10/how-to-fill-out-an-atf-form-5.html)
And straight from the ATF.
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html)
Post by: RB on December 12, 2014, 03:00:03 PM
I do a lot of hunting with them. I hurt my hearing a couple years ago and decided it was time to get some. They help a lot but on the magnum they are still pretty loud. On certain velocity they are scary quiet. Great for calling and not spoiling more yotes that might be making there way in.
What about recoil reduction, on a .300 win mag, as compared to a muzzle brake? Which is better?
Post by: mountainman on December 12, 2014, 11:52:48 PM
:yeah:If you purchase a can by way of Law Enforcement sign off and you pass away, the suppressor has to be turned in to the proper authorities.
This is incorrect. You can pass an NFA item on to your heirs regardless how you registered it. Be it a Trust, Corp, or individual ( CLEO sign off ). If you had it registered in your scenario it would transfer tax-free to your heirs on a Form 5. The executor of your estate would do the paperwork.
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/10/how-to-fill-out-an-atf-form-5.html (http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/10/how-to-fill-out-an-atf-form-5.html)
And straight from the ATF.
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2014, 12:21:58 AM
I do a lot of hunting with them. I hurt my hearing a couple years ago and decided it was time to get some. They help a lot but on the magnum they are still pretty loud. On certain velocity they are scary quiet. Great for calling and not spoiling more yotes that might be making there way in.
What about recoil reduction, on a .300 win mag, as compared to a muzzle brake? Which is better?
I would say the muzzle brake is a little more effective in taming recoil but a suppressor will probably do 50-70% of what a brake will. Depending on brake design. Yet I prefer a suppressor because of the fact it saves my hearing. I hurt my hearing real bad shooting one of my magnums with a brake.
I have a ultimate build in 30-378 that I will be running a titanium can on. I am interested to see the results. Got to find some time to play.
Post by: RB on December 13, 2014, 12:37:40 PM
I do a lot of hunting with them. I hurt my hearing a couple years ago and decided it was time to get some. They help a lot but on the magnum they are still pretty loud. On certain velocity they are scary quiet. Great for calling and not spoiling more yotes that might be making there way in.
What about recoil reduction, on a .300 win mag, as compared to a muzzle brake? Which is better?
I would say the muzzle brake is a little more effective in taming recoil but a suppressor will probably do 50-70% of what a brake will. Depending on brake design. Yet I prefer a suppressor because of the fact it saves my hearing. I hurt my hearing real bad shooting one of my magnums with a brake.
I have a ultimate build in 30-378 that I will be running a titanium can on. I am interested to see the results. Got to find some time to play.
Wow a Titanium can would be nice and quite a bit lighter. I ran CNC equipment years ago and machined some Titanium not bad if a guy has the right tools, even then still a slow process. Thanks for the feedback :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 13, 2014, 12:48:22 PM
My titanium 30 cal direct thread comes in at only 15oz.
My QD steel comes in at 26 ounces plus the mount that is a few ounces!
So virtually 1/2 the weight.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 13, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
Suppressor parts never crossed my mind :chuckle:
Post by: RB on December 13, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Post by: b23 on December 13, 2014, 07:25:37 PM
I have a ultimate build in 30-378 that I will be running a titanium can on. I am interested to see the results. Got to find some time to play.
Who's can do you plan on using for your 30-378??