Post by: Elknut1 on December 12, 2014, 06:04:46 AM
This New Chuckler Bugle is in the injection mold phase, it will be 19" long & a 3-1/4" barrel, it will weigh in at aprox 7.5-0z. -- It has a wall thickness thicker than any Bugle out there today for superior strength & resonance and for those who are tough on equipment & looking for realistic tones. It will have two Tone Dampeners made of 1/8" thick x 5/8" wide Silicone. (rot proof) These will control any plastic vibration that can happen when guys are giving heavy bull Challenges & Lip Bawls as well as hold the camo sleeve securely in place, they will be flush with the barrel as they are set in a grooved out slot in the barrel. The 1st will be 2" from end of barrel/exhaust end, the 2nd dampener will be 5" away from that one right where the main barrel starts to cone down, these spots chosen for the dampeners are very important for sound quality & control they are not randomly selected.
In that 5" space between tone dampeners is where our ElkNuts Chuckler name & logo will be in an oval shape, sweet!! The Mouth opening is a very important 1-1/4" sized opening, it will allow for great Challenges & Lip Bawls without lower lip interference, this is a deal breaker when ones lower lip chatters against too small of an opening disrupting your Bugles. There will be a 3rd Silicone band where camo cover meets the mouth piece to secure slippage at that end. The mouth piece will be coke bottle shaped with no sharp edges This camo cover will fit like a pair of skinny jeans! (grin)
The inside of this Chuckler Bugle will be molded like the inside of a vacuum cleaner hose, it is not smooth walled! We are having the rippled/spiraled corrugation to slow down the air given by the caller to allow it trap the sound inside a hair longer for better resonance giving those more realistic bull tones, from big bulls to small bulls, it's the callers choice! ---- This corrugation simulates what a bulls throat really looks like!---- That is flat out slick guys! This one feature alone will separate itself from all others! This Bugle will help you to sound better than you really are!
This bugle can now be Pre-Ordered at elknut.com -- It can also be sent as a Gift via a Gift Certificate, the Introductory price will be 29.95 with free shipping on their arrival!
Other than the photo shown here's a 3D link to see it in it's raw state! You can pivot it in any angle & look down the throat from either end, the ElkNut.com is molded twice in front of exposed barrel.
http://www.3dvieweronline.com/share/EbkqanyvrX9o4Es/EbkqanyvrX9o4Es (http://www.3dvieweronline.com/share/EbkqanyvrX9o4Es/EbkqanyvrX9o4Es)
I'd like to hear your thoughts! Thanks!
ElkNut1
Post by: steeliedrew on December 12, 2014, 08:02:39 AM
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Post by: Hornseeker on December 12, 2014, 08:11:53 AM
You dusted off that Sapphire lately or still "rolling" around with wheels? I cant tease ya, I FINALLY killed my first archery bull this year with a mathews... not a Sapphire! :'( It was awesome though!! I have a pretty good write up on the hunt here somewhere.
Hope all is well in beautiful Idaho!
Ernie
Post by: Elknut1 on December 12, 2014, 08:57:17 AM
Ernie, congrats bud on your bull, sweet! I still have the Sapphire, you bet, I'd never let go of that longbow, it's as nice as they come, thanks!
ElkNut1
Post by: archery288 on December 12, 2014, 09:01:45 AM
Post by: JPhelps on December 12, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
I've used baffles on some of my "franken-bugles" and until I made the orifice smaller than 1-1/2" I didn't notice any change in the back-pressure or resonance in the tube. My theory was that the human lungs can't produce enough air volume or velocity.
Great looking tube Paul :tup:
Post by: Elknut1 on December 12, 2014, 09:45:09 AM
We also are the ones that made Tone Dampeners/Tube Tamers available to the public on Bugles, no one that I know of did this before us, since that time aprox 10 years ago some have started using it as well & they should because it's a great idea! (grin) Now we are introducing corrugation into the mold design inside the tube, once again we are the 1st doing this! Just some food for thought!
Jason, I'll respond to your thoughts too but have to leave here for a while, thanks!
ElkNut1
Post by: _TONY_ on December 12, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: xXLojackXx on December 12, 2014, 10:59:14 AM
Interesting
:yeah: :dunno:
Post by: fair-chase on December 12, 2014, 11:07:33 AM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on December 12, 2014, 12:06:31 PM
Will this be available with an external reed, or adaptable to the current XTR???
Fair-chase, I grabbed this from a thread on the Elknut forum; someone else asked the same question. Elknut said "the New Chuckler does not have that option at this time but we are working on it so that it will come both ways. It will eventually come in both models!" Hope this answers your question. RJ
Post by: fair-chase on December 12, 2014, 01:17:34 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on December 12, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
I'm curious to see what this thing sounds like. How deep are the corrugations? Is the mouthpiece shaped like a Venturi?I think the "slowing down the airflow" is more of a marketing comment that helps us lay people differentiate between bugles when making a purchase instead of a reality about how fast our breath is moving. The reality of airflow is that we only expend around a liter of air on a long exhale/bugle, and that tube is probably around 2-2.25 liters. Therefore, there should be no meaningful air speed changes regardless of design unless you're Michael Phelps' dad. :chuckle:
I've used baffles on some of my "franken-bugles" and until I made the orifice smaller than 1-1/2" I didn't notice any change in the back-pressure or resonance in the tube. My theory was that the human lungs can't produce enough air volume or velocity.
Great looking tube Paul :tup:
The main reality, however, is that air speed has nothing to do with sound. The speed of sound is a constant: any baffles, spirals, or corrugations are simply redirecting a very small percentage of the sound waves to give them a longer travel path, and that causes a single sound to come out sounding like a longer note or another note (thus, the resonance). It's the design of the sound passages that determine how much of each note is "peeled off" the main note and how long it is re-directed to sound like a resonance. This tube looks like its main focus is to redirect as much as practical, and that's a good thing for elk hunters. We simply don't have the flexible palates, diaphragms, and vocal cords like an elk does (at least no more than an elk has what it would take to talk like us). The best we can hope for is a tube that helps us talk like an elk, this should do well at that.
If call makers would have developed an "industry standard" percentage of tonal resonance years ago, then they would have us over a barrel just like the bow guys do with IBO speed, and we'd have to buy a new call every year to have the latest and greatest resonance percentage call--even if the advertised percentage was only as reliable as IBO speeds, and that's not too good of a goal to shoot for.
The thicker wall should help a lot in reflecting the sound wave inside the tube versus a thin wall which would tend to absorb the wave as wall vibration. That's why a piece of black 2" PVC is the best locator tube there is; virtually no vibration is created due to the abnormally thick walls, meaning all the volume you put in the front is making it out the back. Try an 18" piece versus the best tube you have, and you'll see a noticeable difference in volume.
Skinny Jeans? There are no skinny jeans in hunting! There isn't even any room for them in a conversation. That MUST be a "mountain-tough, weight-saving cover". :chuckle:
Good looking design Paul! I may have to order one of them.
Post by: JPhelps on December 12, 2014, 06:28:38 PM
On something like this I figured my P.E. License is best left in my office.
Post by: Elknut1 on December 12, 2014, 07:32:04 PM
Heck, we as well as all the hunters that have used the Chuckler over the years have called in hundreds of bulls if not thousands. This new bugle will top the rest of the ones we've produced in the past. So it's not just the corrugation molded in, it's the thick walls, the mouth opening, the tone dampeners placement, length of bugle, etc. It's all of it put together that makes the difference! Will it be a great sounding elk bugle? You bet it will. The caller still has to do his part & his mouth reed used is also an important factor to get the most out of not just this bugle but any bugle! Thanks!
Todd, I agree that the corrugation alone is not the most important, but as I mentioned above it's the combination of things done to the this bugle that makes it pretty sweet, the corrugation simulates a real bulls throat/esophagus, you can't go wrong with that, you will see!
If someone is looking for a bugle that sounds different & believable to the elk this is one to consider, it's not like anything out there. If you want to sound different than your buddy give this one a shot. My older bugles call elk just fine, this one has a leg up on it! You can bet that I didn't spend thousands of dollars on this unit to have it professionally done without doing my homework! (grin) Thanks guys!
ElkNut1
Post by: Elknut1 on December 13, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
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Post by: bowtechian on December 14, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on December 15, 2014, 06:44:40 AM
p.s. I may even use someone here to do it! (grin)
ElkNut1
Post by: Reidus on December 15, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
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Post by: LeviD1 on December 17, 2014, 10:13:41 AM
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Post by: bowtechian on December 17, 2014, 12:27:49 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on December 17, 2014, 04:37:50 PM
LeviD1-- The Primos Terminator has the blue snap on reed, it can be removed & the use of mouth reeds can then be used! Our New Chuckler Bugle is for mouth reeds use, it does not have an external built on or snap on reed at this time, but we have one in the works that will fit into the mouth opening of this new Chuckler Bugle, this way it's one bugle able to function in two capacities. It's intended use is with mouth reeds, any mouth reed will suffice that works for you. The Bugle is merely a magnifying chamber.
Yes, reeds that are used for cow calling can also double for use with bull sounds. The reed of choice can be the difference in sounding like a small bull or big bull as long as you have good control over your mouth reed. The tighter the latex tension or multiple layers can offer a variety of sounds, with practice you'll find which ones will work best for individual cow or bull sounds.
Bugling Bull reeds are very good, for a newer caller I would suggest the Mellow Yellow Reed, it's very user friendly & we have them here at elknut.com in our store. One of the best sellers for a very nice All Purpose Reed is the Raging Bull Reed, it too is very user friendly. In the store you can also find instruction on mouth reed use such as in the Mastering The Mouth Reed DVD, it could help out those newer callers as well as hunting sites like this, there are many good callers here.
If the Primos brand is desired then go with the White-- Ivory Plate, it too is a single reed & has very good tone.
Also Jason Phelps carries calls here that are very good, he may be able to steer you in a wise direction as a newer caller.
ElkNut1
Post by: LeviD1 on December 17, 2014, 09:07:49 PM
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Post by: Elknut1 on February 26, 2015, 08:01:31 AM
The only prototype that I have is the one I put together, I do not have an actual New one here yet, I'm told I will have one in my hands within two weeks! I will try it out, inspect it & make any final changes then before the bulk of them are made. I'm as excited as many are here to get my hands on this bad boy! (grin) It's been 15 years in the coming! (grin) It only takes a dream & lots of money, the money is the hard part! (grin) I think you guys will like it!
As soon as it shows I will show a test run with it here! Thanks!
ElkNut1
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Post by: gotcha on March 18, 2015, 03:24:51 PM
Post by: Elknut1 on March 18, 2015, 04:08:05 PM
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Post by: Elknut1 on March 18, 2015, 04:57:13 PM
p.s. nearly all baseball type bats used for bugles are made overseas. I don't know anyone that is the exception. Companies here in the states sell bugles yes, but they are purchased overseas first!
Here it is in its raw state, I received this today! Not sure about it yet?
ElkNut1
Post by: gotcha on March 18, 2015, 05:20:44 PM
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Post by: JPhelps on March 18, 2015, 06:00:14 PM
p.s. nearly all baseball type bats used for bugles are made overseas. I don't know anyone that is the exception. Companies here in the states sell bugles yes, but they are purchased overseas first!
ElkNut1
Don't want to hi-jack the thread but Phelps Game Calls' bugle tubes are 100% made and manufactured in the U.S.A. by a family owned business. They even go as far as sourcing the plastic here in the U.S.A. The lanyards are manufactured in the states, covers are cut in our shop, logos printed by a family friend and sewn by my Grandma :tup:
Paul, I know U.S.A. manufacturers can build and inject any tube design...It's just the higher cost for tooling that sends people overseas (my tube design is 14 times more expensive here in the states). I've wanted to go to production but I guess I'm just too proud to have it built overseas.
Post by: _TONY_ on March 18, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
Good to know that all your products are built and materials are sourced right here in the good ol' US of A Jason :tup: :tup:
Post by: Elknut1 on March 18, 2015, 08:41:36 PM
(my tube design is 14 times more expensive here in the states).
ElkNut1
Post by: JPhelps on March 18, 2015, 09:01:02 PM
I've had a bugle tube designed and specd out for over 2 years but can't afford to go into production here in the states. The cost is $2k vs $28k
Post by: Crunchy on March 18, 2015, 09:01:33 PM
p.s. nearly all baseball type bats used for bugles are made overseas. I don't know anyone that is the exception. Companies here in the states sell bugles yes, but they are purchased overseas first!
ElkNut1
Don't want to hi-jack the thread but Phelps Game Calls' bugle tubes are 100% made and manufactured in the U.S.A. by a family owned business. They even go as far as sourcing the plastic here in the U.S.A. The lanyards are manufactured in the states, covers are cut in our shop, logos printed by a family friend and sewn by my Grandma :tup:
Paul, I know U.S.A. manufacturers can build and inject any tube design...It's just the higher cost for tooling that sends people overseas (my tube design is 14 times more expensive here in the states). I've wanted to go to production but I guess I'm just too proud to have it built overseas.
Still wet behind the ears when it comes to making calls lol.
Post by: Elknut1 on March 19, 2015, 07:05:02 AM
I was in a boat similar to your situation where we too had our business all in the family for many years but things have grown where it's just not doable to do things by hand any longer. Yes we sewed all our own camo sleeves & did all our own modifying but you can only do so much to meet supply in demand, it's finally caught up with us. This is a good thing. (grin)
I checked into 6 different companies here in the US & not one could provide us a one piece bugle. That's great if you've found one but we could not. In the US the most reasonable mold & bugles produced was near 25,000. Simply put I do not have 25,000 to toss that way. The company in WA is doing it for just under 1/2 that for the same amount of bugles including the mold.
If you continue to grow as you hope to do you too will one day be faced with this decision. With a family & tough competitive times you will find spending 12,000 instead of 25,000 for the same product will weigh heavily on your decision making. I hope you have to experience this someday, it would mean you are doing well. Good luck!
ElkNut1
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 08:55:04 AM
Elknut, your tube design is interesting. Post a video to let us here the difference.
Post by: JPhelps on March 19, 2015, 09:03:50 AM
I don't make it a habit of getting involved in internet debates and I wasn't going to until a generalization was made about "all plastic bats are made overseas". I made a clarification so that people had the correct information about my products. You then asked me some more questions about the production of my tube and I answered.
I also don't make it a habit of speculating how well another company is doing without ever seeing the numbers, especially not in a belittling way. You want to talk about being too busy? Remember that I not only make bugle tubes, I also...hand press every single diaphragm leaving the shop, turn and tune each EZEstrus tone board, turn and finish all my barrels, take custom EZEstrus band orders, do all of the graphics layup and do a pretty damn good job at making sure my customers get the best service I can provide. Maybe I'm a bad business man but I've been at the point of making big decisions but I have CHOSEN to continue the way I'm going.
Post by: Elknut1 on March 19, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
I'll keep all updated & get that video out as soon as I receive the actual prototype. Thanks.
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Post by: bowtechian on March 19, 2015, 03:20:42 PM
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Post by: bowtechian on April 15, 2015, 08:55:31 PM