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Title: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: duckmen1 on January 14, 2015, 02:25:38 PM: Just saw there are ballistic tip muzzleloading bullets and wondered if any body had any experience in using them on target as well as different game. How do you like them?
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: duckmen1 on January 14, 2015, 02:29:49 PM: I read that they are supposed to expand at a wide variety of velocities but it says the optimal expansion velocities are between 1800-3200 fps. With a 300 gr bullet out of a 50 cal muzzleloader it doesn't seem like those speeds are realistic.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: MountainDevil54 on January 14, 2015, 04:55:04 PM: they shot really nice from my Traditions Strikerfire but loading them the normal ramrod was impossible. I had to use a heavy duty SS range rod in order to get them down and that barrel was .502" lands. :yike:
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Soady on January 14, 2015, 06:39:14 PM: The way I see it Nosler is just another manufacture trying to enter the field with their brand attached to a name (Shockey Signature line) in the expanding muzzleloader community. 300 grn. in a .458 will be tight, had it been .452 I may have tried 15 but at $11.99 per 15 that equates to $83+ dollars per 105 rounds, that being said their rounds better be the wonder round of all rounds to get my business. :twocents:
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 14, 2015, 07:48:33 PM: They are selling them on shootersproshop for 8.95$
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: huntnnw on January 14, 2015, 10:41:15 PM: I will only use Barnes typ bullets from now on... I have had excellent success with them. And after using Hornadys highly reviewed bullet last year I will never use again.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Gutpile on January 14, 2015, 10:52:47 PM: Quote from: huntnnw on January 14, 2015, 10:41:15 PM
I will only use Barnes typ bullets from now on... I have had excellent success with them. And after using Hornadys highly reviewed bullet last year I will never use again.

Those Barnes are awesome!! My daughter has used them with success and I've used them on an antelope and like them but they are a bit spendy. The yellows were sure a tight fit too! I hope to use them on a spring blacky this year assuming I draw.

What are you referring to about "Hornadys highly reviewed bullet"? That FPB is interesting to me.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: huntnnw on January 14, 2015, 11:05:00 PM: The SST's..... I couldnt get any of the Barnes at the time so I thought well the SST's are highly reviewed everything I read on them and looked like a good bullet. They shot well. Took my gf out muzzy hunting for elk I called a spike into 30 yards broadside she shot it. 400 yards of blood later and no exit hole! a lung was hit and never found it. If it was loaded with a Barnes I have no doubt that bullet exited on that shot. No idea what happend, but from the elk I have shot with Barnes I wouldnt even worry hitting a shoulder bone they are awesome.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Gutpile on January 14, 2015, 11:08:25 PM: I've suspected they were soft. I don't care for them for modern rifles either. Had a real bad experience once with an SST and once with a one of those leverevolution flex tips in a 45/70. Super soft bullet, it just blew up an antelope. Nasty. :bdid:
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 15, 2015, 09:54:23 AM: Itlll be some type of barnes for me in wa.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: andersonjk4 on January 15, 2015, 10:33:12 AM: I bought a box of the Nosler ballistic tip ML bullets but I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet. I got them from Shooters Pro Shop for dirt cheap (but they didn't come with sabots). I ordered the orange MMP sabots so now I'm ready to test them out.

I agree with huntnnw on the SST's being soft. I have been using them for 3 years now for deer and have had good success with them, but that being said I would not use them for elk. They penetrate ok for deer but I wouldn't trust my elk hunt to them. I too will be switching to Barnes as soon as I find a different sabot to use with the TMZ's I bought (they are way too tight with the original sabots).
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Sabotloader on January 15, 2015, 11:31:10 AM: Quote from: BULLBLASTER on January 15, 2015, 09:54:23 AM
Itlll be some type of barnes for me in wa.

If you get an opportunity look at the Lehigh/Bloodline bullet line.

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Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on January 15, 2015, 03:31:41 PM: Started shooting the Bloodlines out of my Knight last year and they've been the most accurate bullet I've shot thru it yet with 110 grains of triple 7.

Unfortunately haven't killed anything with em' yet... So we'll see how that goes when the time comes.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: duckmen1 on January 15, 2015, 04:02:00 PM: out of my tompson center powerbelts shoot best. Only use them for deer.
Out of my nIght the bloodlines shoot ok but not great. The hornady xtps work great. in my brothers gun the bloodlines and xtps shoot great.
Just never heard of the ballistic tips so was just curious how they perform for people
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: tdwilson on January 15, 2015, 04:42:31 PM: Quote from: Sabotloader on January 15, 2015, 11:31:10 AM
Quote from: BULLBLASTER on January 15, 2015, 09:54:23 AM
Itlll be some type of barnes for me in wa.

If you get an opportunity look at the Lehigh/Bloodline bullet line.

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I drank the bloodline kool-aid thanks to sabotloader and I have been thouroughly impressed with this bullet. I run 120 graing fffg with the 275 grain bullet out of my 50cal knight disc extreme. I zero at 165 yards which puts me about 4" high at 100 and 4" low at 200 making it essentially a point and shoot in most situations. Since starting using these bullets 3 years ago i have killed 6 deer and 1 elk with none going more than 40 yards with shots ranging from 8-168 yards. By far the best bullet i have ever shot and bought 20 boxes after seeing the performance on the first deer i killed. Should get me through the next 20 plus years of hunting :chuckle:
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: duckmen1 on January 15, 2015, 04:45:01 PM: I should experiment more with different bloodlines. They do have great terminal performance on game. Animals don't go far that's for sure.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Gutpile on January 15, 2015, 09:03:44 PM: Quote from: andersonjk4 on January 15, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
I bought a box of the Nosler ballistic tip ML bullets but I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet. I got them from Shooters Pro Shop for dirt cheap (but they didn't come with sabots). I ordered the orange MMP sabots so now I'm ready to test them out.

I agree with huntnnw on the SST's being soft. I have been using them for 3 years now for deer and have had good success with them, but that being said I would not use them for elk. They penetrate ok for deer but I wouldn't trust my elk hunt to them. I too will be switching to Barnes as soon as I find a different sabot to use with the TMZ's I bought (they are way too tight with the original sabots).

The yellows are real tight but the blues are slick as butter. :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 15, 2015, 09:08:29 PM: Yeah the blue are the t-ez or something like that. They are flat base and load a lot easier.

I have seen the ballistic tip bullets and almost picked some up. I have a hard time switching from barnes. They do very well for us.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: andersonjk4 on January 16, 2015, 08:01:20 AM: Quote from: Gutpile on January 15, 2015, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: andersonjk4 on January 15, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
I bought a box of the Nosler ballistic tip ML bullets but I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet. I got them from Shooters Pro Shop for dirt cheap (but they didn't come with sabots). I ordered the orange MMP sabots so now I'm ready to test them out.

I agree with huntnnw on the SST's being soft. I have been using them for 3 years now for deer and have had good success with them, but that being said I would not use them for elk. They penetrate ok for deer but I wouldn't trust my elk hunt to them. I too will be switching to Barnes as soon as I find a different sabot to use with the TMZ's I bought (they are way too tight with the original sabots).

The yellows are real tight but the blues are slick as butter. :IBCOOL:

Unfortunately I bought two packages of the TMZ's before I new they wouldn't load very easy. But I just found that Harvester ML now makes a crushed rib sabot specifically for boat tailed bullets. I just ordered a pack yesterday, so I'm hoping they solve my problem. I'll have to make sure I get the T-EZ's next time.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: floatinghat on January 16, 2015, 06:40:06 PM: I shot my 2014 blacktail a 20yds with the Bloodline 275gr over 110 3f 777 and he dropped like a box of rocks. However, I was surprised that the exit hole was the same size as the entrance. Had he not dropped I would be concerned about a blood trail. Same bullet dropped my Cow elk last year, one in the neck DRT found a couple of petals was it.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: duckmen1 on January 16, 2015, 07:08:30 PM: From what I've seen on bloodlines all the petals break loose on those bullets and make there own wound channels in all different directions. And the base is just like a slug punching through for penetration. Pretty amazing bullets on animals.
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: Sabotloader on January 16, 2015, 08:42:06 PM: Quote from: duckmen1 on January 16, 2015, 07:08:30 PM
From what I've seen on bloodlines all the petals break loose on those bullets and make there own wound channels in all different directions. And the base is just like a slug punching through for penetration. Pretty amazing bullets on animals.

Correct
Title: Re: Nosler ballistic tip muzzle loading bullets
Post by: HntnFsh on January 17, 2015, 07:46:38 AM: Quote from: andersonjk4 on January 16, 2015, 08:01:20 AM
Quote from: Gutpile on January 15, 2015, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: andersonjk4 on January 15, 2015, 10:33:12 AM
I bought a box of the Nosler ballistic tip ML bullets but I haven't had a chance to shoot them yet. I got them from Shooters Pro Shop for dirt cheap (but they didn't come with sabots). I ordered the orange MMP sabots so now I'm ready to test them out.

I agree with huntnnw on the SST's being soft. I have been using them for 3 years now for deer and have had good success with them, but that being said I would not use them for elk. They penetrate ok for deer but I wouldn't trust my elk hunt to them. I too will be switching to Barnes as soon as I find a different sabot to use with the TMZ's I bought (they are way too tight with the original sabots).

The yellows are real tight but the blues are slick as butter. :IBCOOL:

Unfortunately I bought two packages of the TMZ's before I new they wouldn't load very easy. But I just found that Harvester ML now makes a crushed rib sabot specifically for boat tailed bullets. I just ordered a pack yesterday, so I'm hoping they solve my problem. I'll have to make sure I get the T-EZ's next time.

Let us know if they help.