Post by: fisheral87 on January 21, 2015, 09:17:27 AM
Current Considerations:
Spider webbing of the fiberglass
Water logged internal foam
Thanks,
Al
Post by: Skillet on January 21, 2015, 09:47:27 AM
Post by: lokidog on January 21, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
Spider web cracks of the gelcoat are pretty common on all older fiberglass boats. I would be concerned if the glass was spiderwebbed (gelcoat chipping along edges of spiderweb). As far as waterlogged foam, I would think that if it is closed cell foam or polystyrene, you would have no issues.
We used an 18 footer back in the 70s and early 80s that a friend owned on lakes, awesome boat. Here on the sound, I would consider one for fishing decent weather but they would be a rough ride during most of the winter.
Post by: washelkhunter on January 21, 2015, 10:35:23 AM
Post by: Charlie on January 21, 2015, 10:54:24 AM
Post by: Kuduman on January 21, 2015, 11:09:06 AM
Great boat. Aside from the obvious cosmetic flaws associated with a 35 year old boat you may want a independent marine consultant to do a structural inspection prior to purchase. As stated earlier these boats were not built with the pacific northwest in mind and although I'm a big fan of Boston Whaler there are infinite better choices for offshore use.
Good Luck
Post by: fisheral87 on January 21, 2015, 03:16:42 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on January 21, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: offdahook on January 21, 2015, 05:53:51 PM
Post by: johnr060 on January 21, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on January 21, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
Did those boats ride hard in 2+ foot waves?
Thanks,
Al
Post by: fisheral87 on January 21, 2015, 07:08:03 PM
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Ran a 21' Outrage for several years back in the early 80's on the great lakes and the Chesapeake bay all while conducting search and rescue operations while serving the the Coast Guard.
Great boat. Aside from the obvious cosmetic flaws associated with a 35 year old boat you may want a independent marine consultant to do a structural inspection prior to purchase. As stated earlier these boats were not built with the pacific northwest in mind and although I'm a big fan of Boston Whaler there are infinite better choices for offshore use.
Good Luck
Unfortunately my bank account isn't infinite. :)
Post by: wildweeds on January 21, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
Offdahook, Johnr,
Did those boats ride hard in 2+ foot waves?
Thanks,
Al
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 21, 2015, 07:32:59 PM
I got it after a tree fell on it and caved in the side. Fixed it, swamped it, towed logs from Devils Head to the cabin on Henderson inlet.
It finally died when I sold it and the guy ran it at speed into a bridge.
Post by: offdahook on January 21, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
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Post by: fisheral87 on January 21, 2015, 09:47:43 PM
Post by: Gobble Doc on January 22, 2015, 11:31:18 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on January 22, 2015, 12:58:07 PM
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If going in big water give me a deep V aluminum all day, riveted or welded.
Such as?
Most bigger deep v's require more towing capacity. Most of the local budget aluminum boats don't have greater than 18 degree bow dead rise. Which I believe is the bow dead rise of this model whaler.
I do have a personal issue of not being caught dead in a bayliner. There, I said it.
Post by: Kuduman on January 22, 2015, 01:20:17 PM
QuoteIf going in big water give me a deep V aluminum all day, riveted or welded.
Such as?
Most bigger deep v's require more towing capacity. Most of the local budget aluminum boats don't have greater than 18 degree bow dead rise. Which I believe is the bow dead rise of this model whaler.
I do have a personal issue of not being caught dead in a bayliner. There, I said it.
Budget Aluminum...... :chuckle:
Post by: fisheral87 on January 22, 2015, 04:06:56 PM
I have looked at budget options like Klamath boats but the beam isn't enough IMO.
I like the center console design, being able to walk around is a necessity IMO. I get the reasons for the cabin/enclosure but I could get custom canvas.
I have spent most of my time on Coldwaters and a custom delta marine so I'm spoiled rotten maybe.
Any similar manufactures to klamath?
Post by: Kuduman on January 22, 2015, 06:48:01 PM
This is my new ride and i couldn't be happier. I laughed when I read your budget aluminum comment because I picked this up for about 30% of what an 18' Budget aluminum would have cost me. .
Post by: fisheral87 on January 22, 2015, 09:27:32 PM
Nice boat, I guess I should upgrade my towing rig first.
Al
Post by: Kuduman on January 22, 2015, 10:43:49 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 23, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Most bigger deep v's require more towing capacity.
Is this correct?
I know my sisters 13 ft whaler weighs at least 2 1/2 times what my 13 ft Smoker weighed.
Post by: wildweeds on January 24, 2015, 09:16:02 AM
Most bigger deep v's require more towing capacity.
Is this correct?
I know my sisters 13 ft whaler weighs at least 2 1/2 times what my 13 ft Smoker weighed.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 24, 2015, 10:10:41 AM
1986, outrage 18 for lakes, sound, and on years when the tuna are close possibly off the coast, also needs to function as a family boat that I can tow with my current nissan frontier.
That is a great boat, at one time it was my dream boat. Boston Whalers are great boats for many reasons, they continue to have a lot of popularity and it is not uncommon to turn up boats from the 60s and 70s in very good condition. I have owned a three, operated numerous others, and rebuilt more than a few. The spider cracks are normal and of no worry. Things to look for are soft/delaminated spots on the hull which you can find by tapping with a knuckle, the hull should sound solid not hollow. They were supposedly changing foam formulation about '86 but most knowledgable people said it didn't make a difference. I have seen some waterlogged hulls and most have some water in them but it takes a lot to make a difference. Regardless, you would be getting a bombproof unsinkable boat. They are unsinkable too, the BW commercial where they saw a boat in half is not a joke.
The best knowledge base for these boats is
www.continuouswave.com (http://www.continuouswave.com)
There is a ton of information on there and if it is not then someone knows it. I believe the head moderator/site guru, Jim Herbert, is in the Puget Sound area. The site forum can tell you more than you ever wanted to know and I would bet the boat is known to people on the forum.
Post by: Rich_S on January 24, 2015, 10:25:16 AM
If I can ever get 'er done, I'm restoring a '64 Evinrude Sport 16. I had a Johnson 19' for several years and really liked it. A tube of hemorrhoid cream was always in the glovebox, though. The pictures aren't of my boat - just an example.
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Then there's this one from the movie "Thunderball". Recognize the guy in the passenger's seat? No, not the driver, darn it!
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Post by: fisheral87 on January 24, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
The hull and layout were awesome, even the wife liked it. :)
The search continues.
Post by: fisheral87 on January 24, 2015, 10:47:48 AM
I'm a big fan of the bond films. I would watch the marathons on TBS with my old man. Daniel Craig does a nice job but Sean Connery is James Bond to me.
It's just too damned bad that everything good comes to an end.
She's got nice lines....
Al
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 24, 2015, 10:51:14 AM
I looked at the specific boat this morning and it had a few patches in the hull that were not done professionally and silicone filled holes where a kicker was mounted that look sketchy to me. It looked dirty, I got the impression it was well taken care of prior to the current owner. Maybe my standards are just out of whack.
The hull and layout were awesome, even the wife liked it. :)
The search continues.
The silicone filled holes shouldn't be a big deal as long as water was kept out. A quick tap with a small ball peen hammer will tell you if you have a problem. Fixing the holes properly is no big deal and cheap.
The hull patches could be a problem, but again if they are watertight they can be corrected later.
Good luck in your search, but remember these boats are 30+ tears old.
Post by: wildweeds on January 24, 2015, 11:08:06 AM
Post by: Kuduman on January 24, 2015, 11:32:51 AM
I would actually go look at that
Post by: j_h_nimrod on January 24, 2015, 11:44:21 AM
Rich S - the 13' and 15' boats had low freeboard and the 17' was a bit better but the 18' Outrage has plenty to be comfortable. The good thing about these boats, and I speak from experience, is they were designed to keep the engine powerhead above water and running while fully swamped. The only caveat being that the engine weight and assesories must be in boat spec.
The holes in the transom are fine. It is marine plywood and fiberglass, unless it was saturated for a *long* time it would be fine with the silicone patches. The hull patches are a bit worrisome, I have seen some horrendous work out there. What size are the patches? Whalers take a bit of special knowledge to fix correctly so who knows.
Is that the Craigslist ad for the boat? The 115 is a bit on the small size in my opinion but I always liked running Whalers a bit over powered, I had a 115 on my 17 and thought that was about perfect. That combo would be great for fishing and fuel economy, figure about 3-5 gallons per hour at about 24 kts. Not a ski boat but would be good for wakeboarding or tubing.
Post by: fisheral87 on January 24, 2015, 02:44:58 PM
Post by: fisheral87 on January 24, 2015, 02:51:00 PM
Patch of any kind makes me nervous. I'm willing to put in some work but I want to get out and use it, not spend my time fixing it and I've never done glass work.
What are your thoughts based on the pics? These are way better than the pervious ones he had up.
Post by: Rich_S on January 24, 2015, 05:35:09 PM
Rich,
I'm a big fan of the bond films. I would watch the marathons on TBS with my old man. Daniel Craig does a nice job but Sean Connery is James Bond to me.
It's just too damned bad that everything good comes to an end.
She's got nice lines....
Al
I got that! :IBCOOL: http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1452060160/nm0000805?ref_=nm_phs_md_2 (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1452060160/nm0000805?ref_=nm_phs_md_2)
Post by: lokidog on January 24, 2015, 06:33:49 PM
The patches were on the transome where the tie down had been shifted in order to accommodate a kicker.
Patch of any kind makes me nervous. I'm willing to put in some work but I want to get out and use it, not spend my time fixing it and I've never done glass work.
What are your thoughts based on the pics? These are way better than the pervious ones he had up.
I rebuilt a fiberglass Livingston last year, it is a lot easier than one might think. However, I did not redo any gelcoat which looks a little more intimidating.