Post by: high voltage on January 21, 2015, 09:54:56 AM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 10:13:39 AM
Reasonable weight??
Only $2000???
hmmmm well, 1500 foot pounds at 1000 yards is gonna need AT LEAST a 230 grain Berger OTM Target with a MV of 2900FPS...so, we are talking a 300RUM or 300 Norma. Best bet to get to feed from the mag is the 300 Norma. The 300 RUM with the 230 berger will need a custom magbox (it's almost 4 inches long when seated to the start of the ogive.
To make that comfortable to shoot??? well, it will weigh over 14 pounds with a scope...it will most likely be better served with a muzzle brake too.
to get this thing to shoot under 0.5MOA all the way to 1K is gonna take at least $2K for just the rifle alone...and at least $1500 for a scope
Post by: jasnt on January 21, 2015, 10:15:07 AM
Post by: jasnt on January 21, 2015, 10:18:28 AM
Post by: coachcw on January 21, 2015, 10:27:39 AM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 10:28:59 AM
Post by: Curly on January 21, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Post by: Kittman on January 21, 2015, 10:32:49 AM
Post by: jrebel on January 21, 2015, 10:34:23 AM
I am not a long range shooter so take it for what it is worth. I am sure a lot of guys on here can offer more insight. :tup:
Good Luck.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 10:40:58 AM
I would venture to say maximum point blank range (MPBR) capability of any commercially offered sporting cartridge is being tossed out in this thread/discussion.
Agreed, the ranges stated bu the OP pretty much negate factory loadings.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 21, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
...i am shooting 215 bergers and have 1600+ energy at 1k. :rolleyes:
hmmmm well, 1500 foot pounds at 1000 yards is gonna need AT LEAST a 230 grain Berger OTM Target with a MV of 2900FPS...so, we are talking a 300RUM or 300 Norma. Best bet to get to feed from the mag is the 300 Norma. The 300 RUM with the 230 berger will need a custom magbox (it's almost 4 inches long when seated to the start of the ogive.
To make that comfortable to shoot??? well, it will weigh over 14 pounds with a scope...it will most likely be better served with a muzzle brake too.
to get this thing to shoot under 0.5MOA all the way to 1K is gonna take at least $2K for just the rifle alone...and at least $1500 for a scope
i know of another person doin the same with a repeater using a factory rem mag box and 300 rum sporter. Well, maybe not the .5 moa part... but it is capable of sub moa with me (far from expert marksman ) driving...
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 21, 2015, 10:55:13 AM
Leupold or vortex pst come to mind. Possibly nf hsv?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 21, 2015, 11:00:12 AM
This thread will be filled with tons of opinions and a few facts :chuckle:fact is it will take a true tack driver to get there! :chuckle:
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 21, 2015, 11:06:26 AM
This thread will be filled with tons of opinions and a few facts :chuckle:fact is it will take a true tack driver to get there! :chuckle:
Well, that goes without saying......or does it? :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 21, 2015, 11:09:16 AM
This thread will be filled with tons of opinions and a few facts :chuckle:Well, this guy that knows my neighbor's friend kills elk all the time out to 1200 yds with his .243 Win and corelokts.
Post by: mountainman on January 21, 2015, 11:18:45 AM
or the person who kills deer all day at 500 yards, but can't hit a deer at 30 yards :chuckle:This thread will be filled with tons of opinions and a few facts :chuckle:Well, this guy that knows my neighbor's friend kills elk all the time out to 1200 yds with his .243 Win and corelokts.
Post by: Jolten on January 21, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
Hello all, generally a bow and muzzy hunter but I have a lot of plans to hunt some premier mule deer rifle hunts in the next 10 to 15 years and possibly some rifle elk hunts as well. I've chosen $2000 to be my limit( of course there is a little breathing room on that price) Looking for some advice on the best all around gun/ scope combination for me. Need it to be good for elk and deer, 700 to 1000 yd range, and a reasonable weight
Don't want to get off the couch or what? Marine snipers used the Model 70 Winchester in .308 for a decade before they switched to the Model 700 Remington in Vietnam. You could also build one and put half the money into a good barrel and trigger. The right glass for a 1,000 yard gun will cost as much as the gun, though. Wouldn't make sense to get a great rifle and put crappy glass on top.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 21, 2015, 11:30:43 AM
Hello all, generally a bow and muzzy hunter but I have a lot of plans to hunt some premier mule deer rifle hunts in the next 10 to 15 years and possibly some rifle elk hunts as well. I've chosen $2000 to be my limit( of course there is a little breathing room on that price) Looking for some advice on the best all around gun/ scope combination for me. Need it to be good for elk and deer, 700 to 1000 yd range, and a reasonable weight
Don't want to get off the couch or what? Marine snipers used the Model 70 Winchester in .308 for a decade before they switched to the Model 700 Remington in Vietnam. You could also build one and put half the money into a good barrel and trigger. The right glass for a 1,000 yard gun will cost as much as the gun, though. Wouldn't make sense to get a great rifle and put crappy glass on top.
Human beings are a lot easier to kill....just say'n.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 11:33:19 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 11:35:52 AM
Hello all, generally a bow and muzzy hunter but I have a lot of plans to hunt some premier mule deer rifle hunts in the next 10 to 15 years and possibly some rifle elk hunts as well. I've chosen $2000 to be my limit( of course there is a little breathing room on that price) Looking for some advice on the best all around gun/ scope combination for me. Need it to be good for elk and deer, 700 to 1000 yd range, and a reasonable weight
Don't want to get off the couch or what? Marine snipers used the Model 70 Winchester in .308 for a decade before they switched to the Model 700 Remington in Vietnam. You could also build one and put half the money into a good barrel and trigger. The right glass for a 1,000 yard gun will cost as much as the gun, though. Wouldn't make sense to get a great rifle and put crappy glass on top.
Human beings are a lot easier to kill....just say'n.
I agree. Hit me in the toenail and I'll fall down and die right there. But building your own with a great barrel, you have a lot of leeway with the caliber.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 11:36:07 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 11:38:15 AM
Post by: rbros on January 21, 2015, 11:41:34 AM
There is the rare time that a guy can buy a remington sendero and put a Leupold on it and have all the stars line up. But it is rare.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 21, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle: elk on khat, oh God.
LOL....and we thought hoof rot was bad...
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 21, 2015, 12:31:12 PM
A .300 Win Mag Sendero's and a Leupold LR scope with a accurate handload is plenty to do what the OP is asking.
Some will tell you a Geiselle trigger is the answer to everything! :chuckle: Shame they don't make them for bolt rifles. :rolleyes:
Post by: jasnt on January 21, 2015, 12:55:15 PM
that happened to me in 2013 :chuckle: practicing all year at 300-500 and missed the buck of me dreams at 40 yards :bash: never too old for buck fever :dunno:or the person who kills deer all day at 500 yards, but can't hit a deer at 30 yards :chuckle:This thread will be filled with tons of opinions and a few facts :chuckle:Well, this guy that knows my neighbor's friend kills elk all the time out to 1200 yds with his .243 Win and corelokts.
My opinion for the OP is buy the best you can afford and practice at all ranges. Work from there and upgrade as you can afford it. Spend as much as you can on glass to start. Also a good trigger will greatly improve your results
Post by: Kittman on January 21, 2015, 01:01:08 PM
4th Commandment of Firearm Safety- Be sure of your target and what's beyond it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 21, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
"My go to gun is a Rem 700ADL that I outfitted with a "Brown GlasStock" and Leupold 3x9 glass. Lightweight and still does 1" groups if I do my part. It is 30/06 as one of the most versatile calibers ever developed. All around I prefer the 165grBTHP for accuracy and capable of anything we'll run into here. Built mine in 1975 and have yet to see any reason to change it for something new. For my Afrika hunts I have an older Brno .375 H&H. Both guns were sandblasted and then Parkerized, and I refinished the stocks flat. Of course the Brown is glass and it is left in a flat hot rod primer gray color that you may remember? The scope is flat matte. The Brno stock is oil finished with virtually no shine to it except where it gets handled like the grip or forestock?
Scope likewise done in flat black. I love pretty guns but none of my working guns look pretty except to serious shooters, and they appreciate dull.
I'll also say, with some experience in long range shooting, and as a guide, I limit my own shots to 200 yards on game. Just too many damned variables in the field and I really hate tracking wounded animals because of a poor shot. Can be a wind across a gulch, badly mistaken range estimate, game moving suddenly for whatever reason, a zero change because of bumping the scope, or a poorly placed shot with lousy conditions. Have seen too many of my clients way overestimate their capability and think they are Carlos reincarnated. One client last year told me he could drop an elk at 1000 yards with his latest whizbang gun yet he could hardly walk the FS roads with me! I was concerned he'd cardiac out and was stunned to find out I had 15 years on him! Never got to see if he was that good and have serious doubts he measured up.
Shooting "dogs" on the prarie is great and good for long range practice but it doesn't equate to shooting in the hills on big game. Plains animals like Afrika are a different story. I'd use the Brno for elk but the gun is heavy and up here the air is thin? And, I'm getting older. As long as the Rem 700 in 30/06 will do a one shot kill, why carry something heavier? Its all about shot placement as you well know from archery.
Semper Fi
Rocky
p.s. if you need a recommendation for a 'smith, let me know."
Not only was he all-Marine rifle, but pistol shooter as well, with several national titles under his belt in the 60s. He guided in MT for the last two years after having done so back in the 70s. He's also guided in Africa extensively and has shot just about any animal there you can name. I obviously respect his opinion on guns and hunting very much.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 21, 2015, 01:05:47 PM
Post by: Trapmark on January 21, 2015, 02:41:07 PM
If I were you, I would spend that money on a great all purpose rifle, in your caliber of choice. Get very proficient at half that range in the field and only then when you can have some confidence, upgrade as you go. Then you will always have a good general purpose rifle for the times it is needed. A long range rifle eventually. Add a good timber carbine too. You will use your archery and muzzle loader skills at time also, as not all trophies are shot far away. :tup:
Good luck
Post by: Stein on January 21, 2015, 02:53:57 PM
It is good to about 400 yards for elk, maybe a touch farther. It consistently shoots about .75 MOA (sometimes in the 0.5 range) off the bench after a thorough break in and about 400 rounds.
If you want to shoot 1,000 yards on an elk, you need a minimum 0.5 MOA rifle screaming a huge bullet. $2k isn't going to do that, but may be a decent budget for glass.
Finally, don't forget the other things necessary for 1,000 yard shooting including dies, brass, powder, primers, a bunch of bullets, a chrono, wind gauge, excellent rangefinder and a good ballastics app for your phone.
Post by: mountainman on January 21, 2015, 03:24:46 PM
Post by: coachcw on January 21, 2015, 05:08:32 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 22, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
Hello all, generally a bow and muzzy hunter but I have a lot of plans to hunt some premier mule deer rifle hunts in the next 10 to 15 years and possibly some rifle elk hunts as well. I've chosen $2000 to be my limit( of course there is a little breathing room on that price) Looking for some advice on the best all around gun/ scope combination for me. Need it to be good for elk and deer, 700 to 1000 yd range, and a reasonable weight
Don't want to get off the couch or what? Marine snipers used the Model 70 Winchester in .308 for a decade before they switched to the Model 700 Remington in Vietnam. You could also build one and put half the money into a good barrel and trigger. The right glass for a 1,000 yard gun will cost as much as the gun, though. Wouldn't make sense to get a great rifle and put crappy glass on top.
Human beings are a lot easier to kill....just say'n.
I disagree with this comment.
Most human beings do not stand broadside chewing their cud while you decide on the shot, and if you really want to pack him out of that canyon by yourself.
They also have this annoying tendency to be able to shoot back, or first if you are not quicker on the trigger,
LOL
Post by: Dan-o on January 22, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
You might do some research on the Savage Long Range hunter. Probably get it in 338 Lapua and it may fit the bill for you. :dunno: Probably can get it for under $1,300.
:yeah: We have a winner.....
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 22, 2015, 12:26:22 PM
Hello all, generally a bow and muzzy hunter but I have a lot of plans to hunt some premier mule deer rifle hunts in the next 10 to 15 years and possibly some rifle elk hunts as well. I've chosen $2000 to be my limit( of course there is a little breathing room on that price) Looking for some advice on the best all around gun/ scope combination for me. Need it to be good for elk and deer, 700 to 1000 yd range, and a reasonable weight
Don't want to get off the couch or what? Marine snipers used the Model 70 Winchester in .308 for a decade before they switched to the Model 700 Remington in Vietnam. You could also build one and put half the money into a good barrel and trigger. The right glass for a 1,000 yard gun will cost as much as the gun, though. Wouldn't make sense to get a great rifle and put crappy glass on top.
Human beings are a lot easier to kill....just say'n.
I disagree with this comment.
Most human beings do not stand broadside chewing their cud while you decide on the shot, and if you really want to pack him out of that canyon by yourself.
They also have this annoying tendency to be able to shoot back, or first if you are not quicker on the trigger,
LOL
I believe he's refering to a bullets terminal performance. Elk can take a solid hit through the vitals with a variety of big game cartridges and do some amazing things after the hit. A human being takes a hit like that and it's pretty much over.
Post by: WoodlandShooter on January 22, 2015, 12:52:30 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 22, 2015, 01:03:08 PM
To me anything beyond 400 yards is "extreme" long range. Someday I'd like to have a rifle with a scope that makes those 500 yard shots easy. But 1000 yards? That's over a half mile. :o
Personally I don't have any interest in ever shooting deer and elk that far. Takes the "hunt" right out of it. But, to each their own.
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 22, 2015, 01:06:07 PM
I'm running Night Force glass on my current "tac driver" and its great to look through. But I think its a little to expensive for a hunting rifle. Never tried Vortex so can't comment. Nikon has always treated me well as has Leupold.
Post by: rtspring on January 22, 2015, 01:11:08 PM
I have owned a .300 Rum for alot of years and my farthest shot was 562 I think it was. It has the right stuff for long long shots but I just get closer..
Post by: kbrowne14 on January 22, 2015, 02:02:17 PM
Post by: bod on January 22, 2015, 05:07:36 PM
There .....
Post by: yorketransport on January 22, 2015, 08:30:36 PM
One of the guys on here built a 6.5 badger that may be good for 1k elk hunting. If I had the money/ability I would build one.
As one of the two guys with a 6.5 Badger I'll vouch for it being an impressive caliber, but I can come up with a number of better options for elk. If you want 1000 yard elk medicine, that's where my 375 BME comes in. :tup:
As for the $2K budget, I really don't think that what the OP wants is unreasonable at all. In fact I'd call it pretty darn reasonable. I've put together at least 4 rifles which would meet his requirements including the budget. I'll bet that I could actually come in under budget enough to pay for reloading components for the first 100 rounds. A long range gun doesn't need to be expensive. I always tell people to budget $1200 for the rifle and $800 for the scope. Shop carefully and you can shave a couple hundred off of that though. That's if all your looking for is performance. When you start adding on extra equipment (custom stocks, bottom metal, fluting etc) the price goes up fast.
Buying (or building) a new rifle is just like buying a new car. If all you want is something that will get you to back and forth to work each day then you can get something which will meet your needs 100% of the time at a reasonable price. If you want a status symbol or a luxury car, you'll pay for the extra features but they won't make it any more functional. I'm a big fan of having both. Build your sensible daily driver rifle (which is still capable of meeting your performance goals) first. If the budget allows it later on, then get your luxury rifle. My sensible daily driver long range gun is my Striker in 284 Win (that I built for about $1200 including the scope) and the sensible car is a 2004 Jetta. The extravagant over the top rifle is a Jim Borden built switch barrel in 7mm RUM, 270 RUM and 338 Edge (over $4500 invested including optics) and the matching over the top car is a 2015 Lexus IS 350 F Sport. Neither combination is "better", but there's no denying that the Borden feels nicer than the Striker when shooting, and the Lexus is nicer to drive than the Jetta.
Andrew
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 22, 2015, 08:47:38 PM
Post by: yorketransport on January 22, 2015, 08:56:44 PM
Chris Kyle used the 300 win mag. But, I'm sure his weapon cost us $10,000 minimum.
They spared no expense! :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 22, 2015, 09:26:56 PM
Chris Kyle used the 300 win mag. But, I'm sure his weapon cost us $10,000 minimum.
They spared no expense! :chuckle:
.........and that's a very good thing.
Post by: Biggerhammer on January 22, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Chris Kyle used the 300 win mag. But, I'm sure his weapon cost us $10,000 minimum.
They spared no expense! :chuckle:
.........and that's a very good thing.
:tup:
Post by: coachcw on January 23, 2015, 06:18:36 AM
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Post by: mountainman on January 23, 2015, 07:38:54 AM