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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 30, 2015, 06:39:04 PM

Title: Moose draw
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 30, 2015, 06:39:04 PM: Anybody have any idea how many non residents put in for the moose drawing each year or how any get drawn? Or where to find this info?
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 06:44:59 PM: You would have to call the WDFW. Even then I don't know if they'd have that information.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 06:52:43 PM: That information is not publicly available. FOI request might get it, but as Bobcat said I don't think it is tracked.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: kukusya on January 30, 2015, 06:57:09 PM: No sheep or moose draw available for non resident hunters.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:01:52 PM: Quote from: kukusya on January 30, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
No sheep or moose draw available for non resident hunters.
That is incorrect.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:03:01 PM: Quote from: kukusya on January 30, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
No sheep or moose draw available for non resident hunters.

Yes, non residents can apply. In fact non residents could draw every moose, sheep, and mountain goat tag in this state, since there is no limitation on non residents, like most other states have.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: actionshooter on January 30, 2015, 07:06:46 PM: I doubt many do, the odds here are to poor and I believe a NR hunting license is required to apply.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:07:39 PM: Quote from: actionshooter on January 30, 2015, 07:06:46 PM
I doubt many do, the odds here are to poor and I believe a NR hunting license is required to apply.
A hunting license is not required to apply for moose, goat, or sheep.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: GurrCentral on January 30, 2015, 07:11:08 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:01:52 PM
Quote from: kukusya on January 30, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
No sheep or moose draw available for non resident hunters.
That is incorrect.

:yeah:
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:15:44 PM: What sort of hunting license would they need? We don't have any kind of general hunting license. Just like for residents, all you need to apply for moose is to purchase a special permit application. The cost is $110 for non residents, and $13.70 for residents. I usually put my dad in for moose every year, and all it takes is the $13.70 special permit application. He doesn't buy any hunting licenses anymore, but I still put him in for moose, since it's relatively cheap to do so.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: actionshooter on January 30, 2015, 07:17:06 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: actionshooter on January 30, 2015, 07:06:46 PM
I doubt many do, the odds here are to poor and I believe a NR hunting license is required to apply.
A hunting license is not required to apply for moose, goat, or sheep.

I had to go back and read that (page 88), looks like your right, the big 3 are excluded.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:21:58 PM: Chew on this: a resident moose tag is $332. A non-resident moose tag is $1652. A youth moose tag is $57.

Who is a youth?

"A "youth" is defined as a resident or non-resident under 16 years of age at the time of license purchase.

A non-resident youth may apply for a moose tag. If drawn, his cost for the tag is $57.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:39:29 PM: Does the non resident youth also pay the resident youth price for the special permit application ($3.80)?
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:51:59 PM: Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
Does the non resident youth also pay the resident youth price for the special permit application ($3.80)?
A youth is a youth, so yes. There is no such thing as "resident youth", only youth.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:55:01 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 07:51:59 PM
Quote from: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
Does the non resident youth also pay the resident youth price for the special permit application ($3.80)?
A youth is a youth, so yes. There is no such thing as "resident youth", only youth.

Wow, what a deal!
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Curly on January 30, 2015, 08:19:37 PM: If more non residents figured that out, we'd be flooded with non resident youth oil species aps.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 08:23:58 PM: Quote from: Curly on January 30, 2015, 08:19:37 PM
If more non residents figured that out, we'd be flooded with non resident youth oil species aps.
Who says we aren't?
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Curly on January 30, 2015, 08:32:43 PM: Could be I guess. That is a really good deal for yutes.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 30, 2015, 09:21:04 PM: Hmmm figured it would be public information. In Alaska they publish a list with the name of every draw tag winner.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 30, 2015, 09:27:43 PM: Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on January 30, 2015, 09:21:04 PM
Hmmm figured it would be public information. In Alaska they publish a list with the name of every draw tag winner.
Several states do but not Washington. It would be interesting data.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 30, 2015, 09:41:39 PM: The reason I asked is I'm in a discussion on an Alaskan hunting board about the cost of non resident tags in Alaska. Several of us pointed out that the reason the cost is so high here in Washington and other Western States is that it is a once in a lifetime hunt, whereas in Alaska it is an over the counter tag and you can buy one every year.

That made me curious about how many Washington tags actually get drawn by non resident hunters.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: idahohuntr on January 30, 2015, 10:55:47 PM: I have seen some data on this...but do not have it in my posession. NRs make up an extremely small number of applications and logically receive very few tags...the data was presented in response to folks requesting a 10% max cap on nr sheep tags. Not saying it couldn't change, but right now there is little nr interest in wa.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bobcat on January 30, 2015, 11:07:32 PM: I've heard non residents usually draw quite a few of the bighorn sheep tags.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: steeleywhopper on January 30, 2015, 11:42:31 PM: They have no problem sticking it to us residents, why not make the nonresidents fork out more dough for OIL applications?
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2015, 05:45:55 AM: There's actually way more non res applicants for the big 3 than you would imagine. Not many states where it is possible for the to draw the first year.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: idahohuntr on January 31, 2015, 07:23:54 AM: Huh...not what I recall seeing at all. The number of tags drawn by nrs was minimal...the data was presented in response to sheep guys hearing rumors about all the supposed nrs drawing tags. They wanted like a 5 or 10% cap and that was pointless because they didn't draw anywhere close to that. This was 2 years ago though...not saying with outfits like huntinfool that nrs are not keying in on this states relatively cheap entry fees. Have you guys seen actual data on this? Or just word of mouth?
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 31, 2015, 07:31:56 AM: Quote from: steeleywhopper on January 30, 2015, 11:42:31 PM
They have no problem sticking it to us residents, why not make the nonresidents fork out more dough for OIL applications?
They do for adults. An adult non-resident application is $111. Youth pay $4.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: bradslam on January 31, 2015, 07:38:47 AM: I bet the information would be available with a public records request. I know for a fact that you can request the winners names with a written request (e-mail works) and a reason why you want that information.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 31, 2015, 07:43:08 AM: Quote from: steeleywhopper on January 30, 2015, 11:42:31 PM
They have no problem sticking it to us residents, why not make the nonresidents fork out more dough for OIL applications?

Let's not forget that "if" they draw they only pay 1600.00+ for the tag not 332.00. I guess they are getting a deal.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Bob33 on January 31, 2015, 09:20:59 AM: It's expensive for non-resident adults to apply in Washington, but youth would be crazy not to.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on January 31, 2015, 09:22:38 AM: Quote from: bradslam on January 31, 2015, 07:38:47 AM
I bet the information would be available with a public records request. I know for a fact that you can request the winners names with a written request (e-mail works) and a reason why you want that information.

The Anchorage Newspaper comes out with a special supplement after the Alaska drawing with all the names of successful applicants, what they drew, and where they are from. Once in a while enforcement gets tips about non residents who put in for resident tags because people see a name in the drawing supplement of someone who got drawn and claims to live in a certain town when they actually live out of State.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: steeleywhopper on February 01, 2015, 12:59:03 AM: Quote from: Ridgeratt on January 31, 2015, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: steeleywhopper on January 30, 2015, 11:42:31 PM
They have no problem sticking it to us residents, why not make the nonresidents fork out more dough for OIL applications?

Let's not forget that "if" they draw they only pay 1600.00+ for the tag not 332.00. I guess they are getting a deal.

Isn't it 2000 to apply in Idaho? I've been fortunate enough to hunt in B.C. For moose a few different times so yes $1600 is a steal for a Non Resident tag in my mind.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: huntnnw on February 01, 2015, 04:49:13 AM: When I drew my moose tag a guy from North Carolina drew one
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 01, 2015, 08:39:03 AM: Quote from: steeleywhopper on February 01, 2015, 12:59:03 AM
Quote from: Ridgeratt on January 31, 2015, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: steeleywhopper on January 30, 2015, 11:42:31 PM
They have no problem sticking it to us residents, why not make the nonresidents fork out more dough for OIL applications?

Let's not forget that "if" they draw they only pay 1600.00+ for the tag not 332.00. I guess they are getting a deal.

Isn't it 2000 to apply in Idaho? I've been fortunate enough to hunt in B.C. For moose a few different times so yes $1600 is a steal for a Non Resident tag in my mind.

I also think Idaho is up front money for everyone.

I remember something about him.
Title: Re: Moose draw
Post by: MerriamMagician on February 01, 2015, 09:49:30 AM: The youth moose tags definitely receive more competition than they used to. In 2004 I drew Mt. Spokane youth moose with 4 points. There were only between 400-800 applicants in those years. Now, theres about 1600 kids putting in for them every year. And kids drawing with like 8 and 9 points.