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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: AntlerHound on February 10, 2015, 07:45:42 PM

Title: Where's all the MONEY go?
Post by: AntlerHound on February 10, 2015, 07:45:42 PM: Awhile back reading the thread about multi season deer odds I started thinking...8500 tag issued..now I wasn't lucky enough to draw this tag... :chuckle: so I dont know the exact price of the tag.. But from what I've heard it was $139... Now I understand not everyone purchases tags drawn... But anyway round up to $200 assuming most of you buy other tags and licenses... So 200 x 8500 = 1,700,000.... Like I said not everyone purchases their multi season deer permit... But there are plenty of other tags and licenses and what not that we pay for..... where does all this money go... Lots of money for your methow deer there! :dunno:
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Post by: _TONY_ on February 10, 2015, 08:00:21 PM: Big chunk goes into the general fund to be pissed away...
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Post by: Man Tracker on February 10, 2015, 08:02:46 PM: Sorry, hunting license money still goes into the wildlife fund. Different than the general fund.
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Post by: _TONY_ on February 10, 2015, 08:07:58 PM: Oh, okay... Thought I saw the pie chart on wdfw revenue and where it was allocated to...
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Post by: bobcat on February 10, 2015, 08:13:47 PM: http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/2011-13_budget.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/2011-13_budget.html)
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Post by: _TONY_ on February 10, 2015, 08:14:58 PM: Got it.... Thanks bobcat
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Post by: AntlerHound on February 10, 2015, 08:21:44 PM: :yike: wow I gues I didn't realize how much of a money machine wdfw is...
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Post by: ridgefire on February 10, 2015, 08:27:22 PM: Check your math. I think your slightly off.
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Post by: AntlerHound on February 10, 2015, 08:33:27 PM: Quote from: ridgefire on February 10, 2015, 08:27:22 PM
Check your math. I think your slightly off.

Negative ridgefire...checked and double checked 200x8500=1,700,000..... Unless my iphone and iPad both are broken? :dunno:
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Post by: ridgefire on February 10, 2015, 09:20:15 PM: I apologize, should have checked my own math. I didn't throw the extra zero in.
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Post by: stigalla on February 10, 2015, 11:08:00 PM: 20 million in enforcement and 3 for habitat? and isn't the dnr under the wsp budget? either way I cant see where the money actually goes.. state land is a wreck and you need a discover pass ($35) plus the outrageous increase in pricing over the years.. id like to see a better breakdown of the funds
Title: Re: Where's all the MONEY go?
Post by: bobcat on February 10, 2015, 11:13:10 PM: The DNR is its own agency, not part of WDFW or Washington State Parks. But I'm not sure why you mentioned that. :dunno:
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Post by: stigalla on February 10, 2015, 11:26:21 PM: shoudnt have said dnr, wildlife officers is what I should have said.. not really the point of topic though, I agree with antlerhound. there should be more detailed info on where money is being spent.
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Post by: huntnnw on February 10, 2015, 11:44:09 PM: No kidding Id like to see where and how 20 million is spent on enforcement
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Post by: fishnfur on February 11, 2015, 12:32:50 AM: Smoke and mirrors by the state. I spend over $400 bucks each year for fishing and hunting tags with not much to show for it. You notice that the pie chart posted is a two year total and does not imply or state that the funds for those programs comes from the sale of fishing and hunting licenses. I too believe that our dollars go into a general fund which is allocated to all kinds of programs across the state.

Habitat money breakdown on that pie chart are activities (forest practices and water typing) that are done by DNR, not by fish and wildlife. I have first-hand knowledge of this and have submitted applications to the DNR for both. This is pure crap. They just throw this one in to confuse the issue.

Virtually Zero dollars are spent on Blacktail Deer. Sure we have wildlife areas that are designated Blacktail oriented, but that is by virtue of the haying of fields that are used for elk feed in winter. They state that populations are managed at the PMU level (they say), but if you've read many of their reports, you begin to understand that they have virtually no idea how many BT deer are out there and ultimately use harvest data to determine if a population is depressed (and then do nothing about it). I could go on and on............. :(
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Post by: Dhoey07 on February 11, 2015, 11:57:14 AM: Why does it cost 14.5 million to sell licenses?
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Post by: Knocker of rocks on February 11, 2015, 12:13:09 PM: Quote from: Dhoey07 on February 11, 2015, 11:57:14 AM
Why does it cost 14.5 million to sell licenses?

The 64 thousand dollar question about all things governmental
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Post by: Spawnstar on February 11, 2015, 05:45:44 PM: If I was in charge this would be my table. 20 million to wolf eradication 20 million for green peace eradication 20 million to hound hunters so we can kill about 80% of the cougar population. 20 million To pay for guys to go cut Indians nets and 20 million for deer and elk habitat. And .8 million to change washingtons name to IDAHO.
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Post by: stigalla on February 11, 2015, 05:54:52 PM: :yeah:
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Post by: stackemup on February 11, 2015, 06:04:40 PM: I was working next to the WDFW office yesterday in La Conner and saw a officer truck with a brand new trailer and two dirt bikes still with factory decals on them. Guess they really needed those up north.
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Post by: fishnfur on February 11, 2015, 11:22:28 PM: I don't know about you all, but I'm voting for Spawnstar to head up WDFW starting tomorrow. We can re-work the numbers later!
Title: Re: Where's all the MONEY go?
Post by: Quarter Pounder on February 12, 2015, 06:16:38 PM: Quote from: Spawnstar on February 11, 2015, 05:45:44 PM
If I was in charge this would be my table. 20 million to wolf eradication 20 million for green peace eradication 20 million to hound hunters so we can kill about 80% of the cougar population. 20 million To pay for guys to go cut Indians nets and 20 million for deer and elk habitat. And .8 million to change washingtons name to IDAHO.

Spawnstar for President!
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Post by: Spawnstar on February 12, 2015, 06:45:41 PM: Thanks I'm blushing
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Post by: JJB11B on February 12, 2015, 06:48:07 PM: Quote from: bobcat on February 10, 2015, 08:13:47 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/2011-13_budget.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/budget/2011-13_budget.html)

they spend more on their offices and maintenance than they do on Habitat
Title: Re: Where's all the MONEY go?
Post by: MuleDeer on February 13, 2015, 12:46:46 AM: Quote from: fishnfur on February 11, 2015, 12:32:50 AM
Smoke and mirrors by the state. I spend over $400 bucks each year for fishing and hunting tags with not much to show for it. You notice that the pie chart posted is a two year total and does not imply or state that the funds for those programs comes from the sale of fishing and hunting licenses. I too believe that our dollars go into a general fund which is allocated to all kinds of programs across the state.

Habitat money breakdown on that pie chart are activities (forest practices and water typing) that are done by DNR, not by fish and wildlife. I have first-hand knowledge of this and have submitted applications to the DNR for both. This is pure crap. They just throw this one in to confuse the issue.

Virtually Zero dollars are spent on Blacktail Deer. Sure we have wildlife areas that are designated Blacktail oriented, but that is by virtue of the haying of fields that are used for elk feed in winter. They state that populations are managed at the PMU level (they say), but if you've read many of their reports, you begin to understand that they have virtually no idea how many BT deer are out there and ultimately use harvest data to determine if a population is depressed (and then do nothing about it). I could go on and on............. :(

Send me some ideas of what needs to be done for Blacktail, please. We are building more chapters on the West side, and we need good projects and work to do for the BTs. We have spent over $10K this year from banquets, on habitat, enforcement help (new robotic decoy) and a fawn survival study in SW WA. But we need more projects, and chapters there to do the work. Looking forward to hearing your ideas, or anyone's on here, for that matter. Thanks!
Title: Re: Where's all the MONEY go?
Post by: Spawnstar on February 13, 2015, 02:04:35 AM: Send me some ideas of what needs to be done for Blacktail, please. We are building more chapters on the West side, and we need good projects and work to do for the BTs. We have spent over $10K this year from banquets, on habitat, enforcement help (new robotic decoy) and a fawn survival study in SW WA. But we need more projects, and chapters there to do the work. Looking forward to hearing your ideas, or anyone's on here, for that matter. Thanks!
[/quote]. I can tell you it isn't the habitat for the blacktails that is keeping it from thriving its predators and freaking poachers. If you can figure out how to get rid of that then you'll have it all figured out.
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 13, 2015, 05:12:10 AM: Well it depends on the area. You say it isn't the habitat but that might be the case in your area but not so where I hunt. The lack of logging has hurt where I am. I don't see so much problems with poaching but there is so predatation damage.