Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 12, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
I'm still not applying and last year I was drawn for elk but decided against purchasing the tag. I am PO'd at the State for allowing timber companies to charge and limit the number of hunters on their property. I've decided to spend most of my money out of State because this state has allowed the costs to hunt here as a resident to become comparable to hunting out of State as a non resident. The only leverage I have to fight this is by deciding where I spend my money. So Idaho is getting most of it again this year. I'll still buy a deer tag here to hunt with friends and family, but that is it. In the past, I've spent hundreds on tags and applying for permits and raffles, but it's all going bye bye and I could care less if WDF&G goes bankrupt. (I realize that just my refusing to spend money in this state won't do that, but if enough people felt the same way, it could get their attention)
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2015, 09:27:03 PM
Funny you should post this now. After agonizing over it for a few days, just last night I decided I'd attempt to draw the multi-season elk, and if drawn I'll buy it.
The way I look at it is I already have money invested in archery and muzzleloader equipment. I might as well make use of it if I can. I think if I hunt all the seasons it will be worth the $180.
It will allow me to apply for some rifle permits that I normally wouldn't get to apply for, and I'll get to hunt, and learn, more areas than I normally get to hunt. I figure it will give me a big advantage for next year, even without the multi season tag.
Of course, this is only if I draw this year, my odds are only about 20%. So chances are I'll be hunting with a muzzleloader tag this year.
Post by: fair-chase on February 12, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
I have no interest in MS for myself, but thought I would look into it for the kids since their school and sports schedule is fairly restrictive. It would be nice to have the additional time to get them out for more short trips instead of trying to pack everything into a longer single trip. But when I noticed that youth only get a discount on the application fee, and not the tag price, my mind was made up for me. I can take them to Idaho, have more days than the MS tag would give them, and be at roughly 1/4 the price of MS.
Post by: Firedogg on February 13, 2015, 12:33:52 AM
So keep track of which tags you select and those you still need to select. Lesson learned the hard way. I was sure I had it since I had always gotten it before.
Post by: fireweed on February 13, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
Just got an e-mail from WDF&G pimping the multi season draw and their new "low prices". $139.10 for deer and $182 for elk.
I'm still not applying and last year I was drawn for elk but decided against purchasing the tag. I am PO'd at the State for allowing timber companies to charge and limit the number of hunters on their property. I've decided to spend most of my money out of State because this state has allowed the costs to hunt here as a resident to become comparable to hunting out of State as a non resident. The only leverage I have to fight this is by deciding where I spend my money. So Idaho is getting most of it again this year. I'll still buy a deer tag here to hunt with friends and family, but that is it. In the past, I've spent hundreds on tags and applying for permits and raffles, but it's all going bye bye and I could care less if WDF&G goes bankrupt. (I realize that just my refusing to spend money in this state won't do that, but if enough people felt the same way, it could get their attention)
Be sure to send a letter to WDFW and your state reps. so they have a record of why you are not buying. If enough of those letters show up, maybe it will make a difference. May seem like a waste of time, but if enough testimonies with real dollar signs attached show up, they have to get serious about keeping hunters here.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 13, 2015, 09:36:53 AM
Just got an e-mail from WDF&G pimping the multi season draw and their new "low prices". $139.10 for deer and $182 for elk.
I'm still not applying and last year I was drawn for elk but decided against purchasing the tag. I am PO'd at the State for allowing timber companies to charge and limit the number of hunters on their property. I've decided to spend most of my money out of State because this state has allowed the costs to hunt here as a resident to become comparable to hunting out of State as a non resident. The only leverage I have to fight this is by deciding where I spend my money. So Idaho is getting most of it again this year. I'll still buy a deer tag here to hunt with friends and family, but that is it. In the past, I've spent hundreds on tags and applying for permits and raffles, but it's all going bye bye and I could care less if WDF&G goes bankrupt. (I realize that just my refusing to spend money in this state won't do that, but if enough people felt the same way, it could get their attention)
Be sure to send a letter to WDFW and your state reps. so they have a record of why you are not buying. If enough of those letters show up, maybe it will make a difference. May seem like a waste of time, but if enough testimonies with real dollar signs attached show up, they have to get serious about keeping hunters here.
I will be doing that.
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 09:46:44 AM
An early archery season that's ten days later than it was last year.
28 new GMU's open for early muzzleloader elk.
A very large increase in antlerless elk permits in the youth category.
Multiple season tags that are not sold to those who are drawn by the end of July will be sold first come, first serve.
Mechanical broadheads legal
Crossbows legal during modern firearm season
Spring bear tags in the NE will be doubled
And, there are probably more, but it does seem to me like they are listening to hunters and giving us what we want.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on February 13, 2015, 10:17:08 AM
So I can have a nice convenient Idaho non res hunt combination deer and elk hunt for $873.25. Or I could end up spending $785.30 for a not so convenient (shorter time frames and different seasons for deer and elk, plus no camping) RESIDENT deer and elk hunt in Western Washington. What a privilege to live and hunt in this State. And that doesn't even consider the hunting leases that are popping up with Timber owners like Rayonier.
Post by: fireweed on February 13, 2015, 10:40:12 AM
Don't you think the WDFW is already serious about keeping hunters here? Look what they're doing with the changes to hunting seasons for the next three years. It seems to me they're bending over backwards to give us most everything we've asked for.
An early archery season that's ten days later than it was last year.
28 new GMU's open for early muzzleloader elk.
A very large increase in antlerless elk permits in the youth category.
Multiple season tags that are not sold to those who are drawn by the end of July will be sold first come, first serve.
Mechanical broadheads legal
Crossbows legal during modern firearm season
Spring bear tags in the NE will be doubled
And, there are probably more, but it does seem to me like they are listening to hunters and giving us what we want.
True. But all of these things mean nothing without access...Access is where the state needs to get serious. The WDFW is nipping around the edges of the problem, so maybe letters to state reps are more important than to WDFW.
Post by: Rainier10 on February 13, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
I think they are working on the access issue and I believe that some of the new rules to improve opportunity may be in response to the loss of access. I just hope they can fix the access issue and we get to keep these new seasons and weapon choices.Don't you think the WDFW is already serious about keeping hunters here? Look what they're doing with the changes to hunting seasons for the next three years. It seems to me they're bending over backwards to give us most everything we've asked for.
An early archery season that's ten days later than it was last year.
28 new GMU's open for early muzzleloader elk.
A very large increase in antlerless elk permits in the youth category.
Multiple season tags that are not sold to those who are drawn by the end of July will be sold first come, first serve.
Mechanical broadheads legal
Crossbows legal during modern firearm season
Spring bear tags in the NE will be doubled
And, there are probably more, but it does seem to me like they are listening to hunters and giving us what we want.
True. But all of these things mean nothing without access...Access is where the state needs to get serious. The WDFW is nipping around the edges of the problem, so maybe letters to state reps are more important than to WDFW.
Post by: str8meat on February 13, 2015, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 11:53:39 AM
my wife hunts archery, she is disabled companion card for me. my boys hunt modern and i muzzle loader. why should i pay extra for the same oppurtunities that i have now?
Doesn't sound like it would be much benefit for you. For me, I'm the only person in my family that hunts. Hopefully my girls will be in the future, but they're only 7 and 9, so I've got a few more years before that happens.
Post by: WSU on February 13, 2015, 12:04:21 PM
Post by: Rainier10 on February 13, 2015, 12:19:41 PM
The elk is a no brainer to put in for. Again I bowhunt but when I have drawn the elk permit it is nice to have the option to hunt both sides of the state and put in for rifle permits.
It is all still cheaper than out of state hunts. Just my :twocents:
Post by: ndcasla on February 13, 2015, 05:22:29 PM
I put in for them on a whim, not expecting to be drawn. I haven't bow hunted is several years nor muzzy either.
I normally get the "big four" for modern firearm. I got to mull this over some before I decide which way to go and
how much money I will be able to put out on tags.
I know that hunting in Washington is not as good as it could be, but it is what it is, it could be worse.
Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 05:38:22 PM
They are charging us more for less opportunity. Take hunting on the West side where we both live, Bobcat. A Washington resident elk license is $50.40 throw in a multi season license at $180 and $200 for an access permit if any are even available and compare that with a non resident Idaho license at $154.75 and an elk tag at $416.75 and it's pretty close. Plus in Idaho, I can camp, hunt deer at the same time, and ride a quad on designated roads and trails and the seasons are much longer making it more convenient to plan a hunt. Throw in a Washington deer tag at $44.90, and another $200 access permit because I don't hunt deer the same place I hunt elk, and another any season tag at $110 for deer if you were to draw it and compare that to throwing a non res deer tag at $301.75 into the Idaho mix.Nothing at all wrong with Idaho, but if you have a multi-season deer permit I can't believe you would have more hunting days in Idaho. You could hunt just about non-stop from September through December with one.
So I can have a nice convenient Idaho non res hunt combination deer and elk hunt for $873.25. Or I could end up spending $785.30 for a not so convenient (shorter time frames and different seasons for deer and elk, plus no camping) RESIDENT deer and elk hunt in Western Washington. What a privilege to live and hunt in this State. And that doesn't even consider the hunting leases that are popping up with Timber owners like Rayonier.
Post by: longwalker on February 13, 2015, 05:48:28 PM
I've drawn both deer and elk. If you have the time to devote to hunting all seasons, it can really be a blast.
I always think it's funny when guys say they won't buy it because they don't have that much time off. I've actually found it even more beneficial if you have limited or less flexible time. With several seasons to cherry pick days from you have much more opertunity if time is a factor
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
I've drawn both deer and elk. If you have the time to devote to hunting all seasons, it can really be a blast.
I always think it's funny when guys say they won't buy it because they don't have that much time off. I've actually found it even more beneficial if you have limited or less flexible time. With several seasons to cherry pick days from you have much more opertunity if time is a factor
Exactly. I do have quite a bit of vacation time, but I'll be using at least a week of that for a Wyoming hunt, and I like the idea of the multiple season tag allowing me to hunt a lot of weekends, and also to hunt with people who I wouldn't be able to hunt with otherwise, because we bought different tags. If I do draw the multi season, I'll probably take a week off for either the archery or the muzzleloader season, but other than that I'll probably hunt a lot of three day weekends.
Post by: longwalker on February 13, 2015, 06:42:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 06:48:32 PM
Well, this year the proposal is for the unsold multi season deer tags to go up for sale first come, first serve, beginning in August.Wow. That's a huge increase. I think that currently only about half are sold. Add another 4000 individuals that can hunt all seasons.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 13, 2015, 08:34:35 PM
Well, this year the proposal is for the unsold multi season deer tags to go up for sale first come, first serve, beginning in August.That would be nice. I assume online sales will count?
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 08:41:54 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 13, 2015, 08:48:34 PM
Post by: sled on February 13, 2015, 08:55:53 PM
So I wonder if one would've needed to purchase an app and go through the drawing to be eligible to purchase the unsold Aug 1 permits. Also, wonder if it would clear out accumulated points to buy like that.hmmmm. Maybe save a few bucks.
Post by: Wenatcheejay on February 17, 2015, 07:35:58 AM
Post by: Eli346 on February 17, 2015, 06:25:04 PM
Post by: mfswallace on February 17, 2015, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: csaaphill on February 17, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
Well, this year the proposal is for the unsold multi season deer tags to go up for sale first come, first serve, beginning in August.left over tags lol just like ORegon is. Just kind of funny is all not really gripping
Post by: longwalker on February 18, 2015, 08:12:00 AM
Well, this year the proposal is for the unsold multi season deer tags to go up for sale first come, first serve, beginning in August.
Like I said, they should just be over the counter. Raise the price 6.50 and they will make the exact same amount of money off them. Maybe more I. True long run if there an unlimited tag