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Title: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: luvmystang67 on February 13, 2015, 08:02:49 AM
You could argue that this hunter saved the entire state for the next couple of years...



Hundred of miles from its Wyoming home, "914F" wandered to the rocky North Rim of the Grand Canyon last fall—the first gray wolf spotted there in 70 years, the Arizona Republic notes—before heading into Utah, likely searching for food or a mate.

But in December, the wolf's journey came to an end after a hunter there mistook her for a coyote and shot her dead, the San Francisco Chronicle reports.

Using DNA testing, the US Fish and Wildlife Service confirmed the 3-year-old collared animal was the same one seen at the Grand Canyon, the Republic notes.

"It is nothing short of a tragedy that this wolf's journey across the west was cut short," Eva Sargent, a director for Defenders of Wildlife, tells the Chronicle.





"This brave and ambitious female gray wolf … had already become a symbol of what gray wolf recovery should look like: animals naturally dispersing to find suitable habitat." Gray wolves weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country: All of North America used to be their home, Defenders of Wildlife notes, but they were killed off throughout much the US in the 1930s.

What's worrying some animal advocates is that the federal government is considering removing endangered-species status from gray wolves in all regions: When they were delisted from the Northern Rockies, mass killings of the creatures took place in multiple states, including Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming.

"Sadly, with the US Fish and Wildlife Service preparing to remove all protections for gray wolves, except for Mexican gray wolves, in the near future, it will become harder and harder for wolves to travel safely, and less … likely that we will hear their howls echo through places like the Grand Canyon," Sargent tells the Chronicle.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/13/tragedy-hunter-accidentally-killed-famed-grand-canyon-gray-wolf/ (http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/13/tragedy-hunter-accidentally-killed-famed-grand-canyon-gray-wolf/)
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: Naches Sportsman on February 13, 2015, 08:08:18 AM
I am in the middle on the wolf issues, but reading some of the comments of treehuggers make me feel very smart :chuckle:. Some of them cant even tell the difference between a wolf and a coyote or between a deer and elk. Tree huggin city tards.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 08:15:08 AM
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"This brave and ambitious female gray wolf … had already become a symbol of what gray wolf recovery should look like: animals naturally dispersing to find suitable habitat." Gray wolves weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country: All of North America used to be their home, Defenders of Wildlife notes, but they were killed off throughout much the US in the 1930s.

What about bison? They weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country either. Why doesn't the Defenders of Wildlife work to get bison re-established in all the remaining "suitable habitat?" Oh yeah, they probably don't care about bison because we could hunt them, and eat them.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
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"This brave and ambitious female gray wolf … had already become a symbol of what gray wolf recovery should look like: animals naturally dispersing to find suitable habitat." Gray wolves weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country: All of North America used to be their home, Defenders of Wildlife notes, but they were killed off throughout much the US in the 1930s.

What about bison? They weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country either. Why doesn't the Defenders of Wildlife work to get bison re-established in all the remaining "suitable habitat?" Oh yeah, they probably don't care about bison because we could hunt them, and eat them.
Go big or stay home. Bring back Tyrannosaurus rex. Let's make Seattle a veritable Jurassic Park.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: luvmystang67 on February 13, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
I wish people were more excited about bringing back wooly mammoths... OH and irish elk...

They of course wont bring those back because they've been gone too long and their reintroduction could damage the delicate ecosystem.  Hold the fact that an animal extinct in a given area also causes the same problem when reintroduced back to that area...

http://extinctspeciesbiology.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/6/1/15618924/868906_orig.jpg (http://extinctspeciesbiology.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/6/1/15618924/868906_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: headshot5 on February 13, 2015, 09:13:25 AM
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Go big or stay home. Bring back Tyrannosaurus rex. Let's make Seattle a veritable Jurassic Park.

Yeah and a recovered population of grizzly's in California, you know... the bear on their State Flag. 
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: h20hunter on February 13, 2015, 09:13:49 AM
Well thanks jackwagon....now my Friday is ruined. I was reading the story, picturing the majestic wolf striding acroos prairies, meadows, and fields of flowers. The sun catching the sheen of its fur, a sense of purpose in its stride. That majestic beast was branching out, much as those that came before us did, into uncharted land. A land of oppurtunity and untold adventures. Then, as suddenly as it came into this world its life was cut short. Not by mother nature, but by savage men with no agenda but their own.

 :tup:
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: luvmystang67 on February 13, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
What about bison? They weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country either. Why doesn't the Defenders of Wildlife work to get bison re-established in all the remaining "suitable habitat?" Oh yeah, they probably don't care about bison because we could hunt them, and eat them.

Hey, you stole my argument. I've been saying for a long time that if they are going to use the endangered species act as a hammer, they need to pound all the nails, not just their favorite ones. We need to get bison numbers back up into the tens of millions, from Texas to the Canadian border. When it starts affecting the food supply in the big sterile cities maybe a light will come on.

But wouldn't you love to do an archery horseback hunt for bison? Indian style? Up close and personal.

Or from a train...  :guns:

Still too soon?
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: idaho guy on February 13, 2015, 12:30:26 PM
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"This brave and ambitious female gray wolf … had already become a symbol of what gray wolf recovery should look like: animals naturally dispersing to find suitable habitat." Gray wolves weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country: All of North America used to be their home, Defenders of Wildlife notes, but they were killed off throughout much the US in the 1930s.

What about bison? They weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country either. Why doesn't the Defenders of Wildlife work to get bison re-established in all the remaining "suitable habitat?" Oh yeah, they probably don't care about bison because we could hunt them, and eat them.
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they are trying to bring back the bison in eastern montana and its been creating fits with ranchers-they want them to roam from up around Havre clear to Yellowstone. I dont think they have gotten much traction with that idea yet.  Funny I havent noticed the "mass killings of the creatures" in Idaho since they were delisted! I have tried to be part of at least some killing but them wolves is smart 
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: Bean Counter on February 13, 2015, 12:33:28 PM
Tangentally related: Seems as though if we build a border fence we can keep out illegal aliens as well as the Mexican grey wolf http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/dont-fence-the-jaguar-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/opinion/dont-fence-the-jaguar-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=1)
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 13, 2015, 12:48:33 PM
I am in the middle on the wolf issues, but reading some of the comments of treehuggers make me feel very smart :chuckle:. Some of them cant even tell the difference between a wolf and a coyote or between a deer and elk. Tree huggin city tards.

Apparently, there's at least one Utah hunter who falls in the same category.  :dunno:
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
Lol.  Yeah right.  Cause people can't get through an unguarded fence in the middle of the desert. :chuckle:
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: Bean Counter on February 13, 2015, 01:07:09 PM
The double walled, barbed wire, high fence in San Diego cut crossings more than 90% in that area. Yes, the line still needs to be patrolled, but it's a lot harder to cross and with more I infrastructure (sandy roads in between, electronic and motion sensors, etc)  it will make illegal entries easier to detect.

Until then , this is what a lot of the southwest "border"will look like...
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 13, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
I would resist any fence construction due to serious  impacts on wildlife movement.....
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: goosegetter79 on February 14, 2015, 07:45:34 AM
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"This brave and ambitious female gray wolf … had already become a symbol of what gray wolf recovery should look like: animals naturally dispersing to find suitable habitat." Gray wolves weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country: All of North America used to be their home, Defenders of Wildlife notes, but they were killed off throughout much the US in the 1930s.

What about bison? They weren't always isolated to certain parts of the country either. Why doesn't the Defenders of Wildlife work to get bison re-established in all the remaining "suitable habitat?" Oh yeah, they probably don't care about bison because we could hunt them, and eat them.
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they are trying to bring back the bison in eastern montana and its been creating fits with ranchers-they want them to roam from up around Havre clear to Yellowstone. I dont think they have gotten much traction with that idea yet.  Funny I havent noticed the "mass killings of the creatures" in Idaho since they were delisted! I have tried to be part of at least some killing but them wolves is smart





They released 90 bison back in November on the Fort Peck Reservation (east of Havre around Wolf Point, MT) with more to come.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2015, 07:54:06 AM

They released 90 bison back in November on the Fort Peck Reservation (east of Havre around Wolf Point, MT) with more to come.

I bet the Defenders of Wildlife won't care if one of those bison gets poached.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: goosegetter79 on February 14, 2015, 08:32:40 AM

They released 90 bison back in November on the Fort Peck Reservation (east of Havre around Wolf Point, MT) with more to come.

I bet the Defenders of Wildlife won't care if one of those bison gets poached.



Nope all they care about are there precious wolves.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on February 14, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
Back to the point of the post.... This guy didn't buy Arizona any time.  When wolves make it to the boundaries of the region they will expand into Arizona, Colorado, Utah..... Standby.
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: idaho guy on February 17, 2015, 09:45:12 AM
Back to the point of the post.... This guy didn't buy Arizona any time.  When wolves make it to the boundaries of the region they will expand into Arizona, Colorado, Utah..... Standby.


 :yeah: once they make it they will probably explodes in those states like Colorado with all those elk. 
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: Quarter Pounder on February 18, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
It sounds like it was a true mistake, but every wolf counts.  Be sure to buy your wolf tag(s) next year...
Title: Re: CONTROVERSIAL - Arizona Wolf Hero?
Post by: jasnt on February 19, 2015, 08:08:27 PM
If your wdfw only every tenth wolf counts. The rest are just passing threw
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