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Title: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: fish-on37 on February 13, 2015, 05:06:26 PM: I am wondering what caliber would be best for a small framed 10 year old but big enough for elk at 100 yards. Recoil needs to be mild. Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2015, 05:15:49 PM: 257 roberts, 243 win
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Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 05:16:02 PM: I would choose a 7mm-08 if purchasing a rifle for that purpose.

If you have a rifle already, use reduced recoil ammunition in it. A 30-06 with reduced recoil ammunition would have the same or less recoil as a 243.
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Post by: headshot5 on February 13, 2015, 05:27:07 PM: 7mm-08 :tup:
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Post by: Griiz on February 13, 2015, 05:27:35 PM: Look up the chuckhawks recoil table and then choose a caliber that meets your needs. There are a lot of calibers that could fit your bill.
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Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 05:34:55 PM: I'll third the 7-08. Maybe a 308 with barnes 150's as well. Really doesn't give much at all up to a 30-06 on the lighter bullets.
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Post by: Bofire on February 13, 2015, 05:53:25 PM: :) :) what is the situation? standing holding the rifle? bipod? shooting stand all set up? How about a TC contender rifle in 44 mag/45 colt/casull?? (100 yards is not far). or a cartridge similar? 7mm08 is good depends on the rifle. a skinny kid might not be able to hold up a rifle.
Carl
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Post by: Dan-o on February 13, 2015, 05:58:37 PM: 7MM-08...... because it's the best cartridge EVER for smaller framed/youth/female/recoil sensitive folk.

EVER.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: fish-on37 on February 13, 2015, 06:15:52 PM: Thanks for the input, seems the general consensus is a 7mm-08. Time to see whats out there.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2015, 06:25:03 PM: A 25/06 or 270 would also be great choices that your child could use into adulthood with longer range capabilities too!
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Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2015, 06:28:54 PM: 270, 7/08, 308... all pretty much the same. Pick any of those and you'll be fine. You just need to choose the lighter weight bullets with any of them. Yes, and also the 25/06 as bearpaw said, would be a good one. A little on the small side for elk, but with a good Barnes bullet or Nosler Accubond, it'll do just fine. Still, my preference would be either the 270 or 308. Even the 30/06 would be a good choice, as there are reduced recoil loads available that will work well for deer out to 200 yards.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 13, 2015, 06:40:37 PM: 7mm-08 :tup:
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Post by: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 06:42:59 PM: The 30-06, 270, and 25-06 use the same case.

The 308, 7mm-08, and 260 use the same case.

Everything being equal the 308 family of cartriges will have less recoil.
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Post by: jasnt on February 13, 2015, 06:44:19 PM: 243win. Or 7/08
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Post by: Spawnstar on February 13, 2015, 06:51:46 PM: My 11 year old shoots my 300 with a muzzle brake all the time. He shot his deer this year with it at 546 yds.
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Post by: bearpaw on February 13, 2015, 07:00:35 PM: Any of the calibers will do the trick, but if I had to choose one of the calibers mentioned:

I would choose the 270 with Remington Corelok 100 gr ammo or Barnes 110 grain, both loads are fast and flat shooting, one over 3300 and the other over 3400 fps, easily good to 200 or 300 yards, recoil light. Later in life the youth can use heavier bullets if desired and have an all around rifle.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 07:06:00 PM: Quote from: Spawnstar on February 13, 2015, 06:51:46 PM
My 11 year old shoots my 300 with a muzzle brake all the time. He shot his deer this year with it at 546 yds.
Is your 11 year old actually a small-framed 10 year old?

I think an 11 year old shooting a 300 mag, brake or not, it's a little unusual. Probably not his first gun, either...
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Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 13, 2015, 07:15:35 PM: Get a .308 with muzzle brake! :tup: good for elk or anything else in the lower 48.

My daughter used one this year for her first deer she only weighs 145 no problem with out the break, just used a tree side for stability. :chuckle:
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Post by: h2ofowlr on February 13, 2015, 07:17:30 PM: I purchased my 10 year old a Tikka T3 .7mm-08. Worked perfect for him. I was going to get the youth model, but the out grow them so fast I went with the full sized. Dumped 2 deer this year, one shot each.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 13, 2015, 07:17:40 PM: Quote from: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: Spawnstar on February 13, 2015, 06:51:46 PM
My 11 year old shoots my 300 with a muzzle brake all the time. He shot his deer this year with it at 546 yds.
Is your 11 year old actually a small-framed 10 year old?

I think an 11 year old shooting a 300 mag, brake or not, it's a little unusual. Probably not his first gun, either...

My oldest at 9 shot her first blackie with a .300 winmag with muzzle break with added rest! :chuckle:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 07:23:39 PM: Well, I'd say you both have every right to be proud. Sounds like your nine-year-old daughter could relieve me of my lunch money anytime she wanted. :chuckle:
But I tend to agree with your first suggestion on the .308 as a more suitable round given the OP's criteria.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2015, 07:27:53 PM: 7-08
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Miles on February 13, 2015, 07:49:40 PM: Quote from: fish-on37 on February 13, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
I am wondering what caliber would be best for a small framed 10 year old but big enough for elk at 100 yards. Recoil needs to be mild. Thanks for your input.

look at the 6.5 x 55 swede.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: X-Force on February 13, 2015, 07:57:15 PM: 7mm-08 or 260, 6.5 creed

Cant go wrong with any of them.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Curly on February 13, 2015, 07:57:37 PM: My 7-08 kicked the hell out of my shoulder and left a bruise for a week. That was with less than half a box of 140 gr Superformance ammo. After loading some 120 gr barnes, I didn't have a problem with recoil.

I normally shoot a 300 win mag but picked up a Ruger American in 7-08 last year. I am a lot bigger than a light framed 10 year old. My point is make sure you also have appropriate ammo for light recoil.
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Post by: fish-on37 on February 13, 2015, 08:00:05 PM: Again, thanks for the input. Took a look at the Chuck Hawks site. Good info on there. Will be putting my Kimber up for trade on here.
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Post by: timberfaller on February 13, 2015, 08:02:37 PM: :tup: 2 for the 6.5x55 Swede!!
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Post by: bear hunter on February 13, 2015, 08:05:26 PM: Don't forget the 300 Savage. It was around before the 308 and killed a lot of elk in it hay day, but the 308 is better I like them both. Great round for little people. I picked one up for 100.00 years ago it was in great shape but needed a stock. It is a Remington 760 made in 1953. You can find it in Savage 99 levers to pumps. I think they might of made them in bolt to. You can buy bullet weight 150gr to 180gr and load them to 200gr. GOOD LIKE AND HAPPY HUNTING :tup:
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 13, 2015, 09:07:38 PM: 243 is a giant killer.
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Post by: Biggerhammer on February 13, 2015, 09:21:45 PM: .243 Win or a .308 Win.
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Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2015, 09:57:08 PM: Both daughters in their younger years killed coyote, deer, and bear with their matching model 7's in 7-08. More smack then the 243 (also a good choice) and less recoil then the 308 (another good choice)
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Post by: jasnt on February 13, 2015, 10:06:20 PM: I would go( if you don't reload) 243 cause it's so available, you can find 243 ammo in just about every ammo supply shop in the US. It's light on recoil, an inhertently accurate cartrage that is capable of putting down any game animal in the lower 48 with proper placement and circumstances. 7/08 is great but not quite as available. 308 is great but a little heavier on recoil. If you do reload than any of those will be fine
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 13, 2015, 10:08:55 PM: I'm a big boy and still slick up bulls and bucks with a 243... !They're magical..
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 13, 2015, 10:10:11 PM: Fear thy Boolit , not the headstamp...
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Post by: Biggerhammer on February 13, 2015, 11:11:58 PM: Some are a little slow to understand the fact that bullet selection matters far more than the headstamp. :tup: Then again some slept through their basic math classes and believe Barnes bullets are the top choice no matter the case. :chuckle:
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Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2015, 11:29:13 PM: Another 7mm-08 fan right here! :tup:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: huntnphool on February 13, 2015, 11:34:19 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
The 308, 7mm-08, (243) and 260 use the same case.

Everything being equal the 308 family of cartriges will have less recoil.

You forgot the 243, and recoil is dependent on load, let's not twist it to intentionally support our own preference! ;)
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: mountainman on February 13, 2015, 11:50:47 PM: Quote from: huntnphool on February 13, 2015, 11:34:19 PM
Quote from: Bob33 on February 13, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
The 308, 7mm-08, (243) and 260 use the same case.

Everything being equal the 308 family of cartriges will have less recoil.

Also, don't forget the. 358 Winchester! :)

You forgot the 243, and recoil is dependent on load, let's not twist it to intentionally support our own preference! ;)

Good luck with that with some of this crew on Hunt-Wa! :chuckle:
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Post by: Taco280AI on February 14, 2015, 12:12:06 AM: A 243 in an 8+lb rifle. Even with heavier bullets should be mild on recoil
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Post by: Bigshooter on February 14, 2015, 01:32:56 AM: The first thing that I would worry about is finding a gun that fits him properly and he feels comfortable with. Then I would chose a caliber. But I will vote .243.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2015, 06:45:26 AM: Quote from: fish-on37 on February 13, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
I am wondering what caliber would be best for a small framed 10 year old but big enough for elk at 100 yards. Recoil needs to be mild. Thanks for your input.

6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington.
Both answer all your questions perfectly. Less recoil than the 7's and 30's, more energy than the 24's.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: fastdam on February 14, 2015, 08:13:38 AM: This will be my sons first year hunting. He's 11. He is going to be shooting a single shot H&R break action 30-30. Its a small gun that fits him, it has light recoil and it will kill elk at 100the yards. I dont see why it wouldnt at 200 yards.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: b23 on February 14, 2015, 08:35:53 AM: Quote from: Jim the Plumber on February 14, 2015, 06:45:26 AM
6.5 Creedmoor or 260 Remington.
Both answer all your questions perfectly. Less recoil than the 7's and 30's, more energy than the 24's.

X2!!! I'm a big fan of just about anything 6.5 The 6.5x55 is also an excellent choice but availability, compared to these other two 6.5's, is considerably less. Also, and I don't care what it is, put a good quality brake on it.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on February 14, 2015, 08:39:15 AM: Quote from: Skillet on February 13, 2015, 07:23:39 PM
Well, I'd say you both have every right to be proud. Sounds like your nine-year-old daughter could relieve me of my lunch money anytime she wanted. :chuckle:
But I tend to agree with your first suggestion on the .308 as a more suitable round given the OP's criteria.

She is 21 now so who knows. :chuckle:

Also the .243 works well, the one guy on here daughter shot her elk last year with one at a little over 200 yds I believe. :tup:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: mountainman on February 14, 2015, 08:53:46 AM: 243 is a fine starter caliber. Mild recoil allows for accurate placement, which will trump headstamp AND bullet type every time! I know folk who post pics of 1/2" groups at 300 yards from a bench, but have a hard time hitting mulie 's at 30 yards.. :dunno: :chuckle:
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Post by: Magnum_Willys on February 14, 2015, 09:25:58 AM: .243 ! Don't use anything with a muzzle brake - ear muffs mandatory with brakes and youth.
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Post by: AdnaHunter on February 14, 2015, 09:29:29 AM: 308
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Post by: fastdam on February 14, 2015, 09:39:39 AM: I would never risk my childs hearing with a muzzle break. There are way to many other great options.
I was hunting deer in tucannon this last fall and encountered a 14 year old boy and his father on a trail maybe 5 minutes after i heard a shot close by. The man said the boy was shooting a .300 win mag, which made sense because he had a perfect crescent shaped, bloody cut right between his eyes where the scope smacked his face. Too much gun for even a 14 year but old. Long action rifles are going to be heavey and hard to carry and stablize. I would conside the gun itself as much as the caliber.
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Post by: D-Rock425 on February 14, 2015, 10:07:48 AM: 7mm 08
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2015, 10:10:56 AM: Ask a counter monkey at a local gunshop, I'm sure they will enlighten you. :chuckle:
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Post by: jasnt on February 14, 2015, 10:23:29 AM: :lol4: :lol4:
Quote from: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
Ask a counter monkey at a local gunshop, I'm sure they will enlighten you. :chuckle:
:lol4:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 14, 2015, 11:01:01 AM: Quote from: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
Ask a counter monkey at a local gunshop, I'm sure they will enlighten you. :chuckle:

My god, please no!!! We'll have another tikka/vortex sheet show out in the woods...
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 14, 2015, 11:02:23 AM: Years ago I would say a .243 since that was my 1st rifle ..Killed whitetail -groundhogs -turkeys -fox and coyotes ..Love that gun ...but then I started investigating the 7mm-o8 a few years ago and I was really shocked ..Little heavier bullet if you like and to me it fits the description of being one of the perfect cal . for deer -elk and bear :tup: Seems a few of all agree ...But my very most favorite is a .270 ..It will kill anything :chuckle:
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Post by: b23 on February 14, 2015, 11:05:11 AM: Quote from: Magnum_Willys on February 14, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
.243 ! Don't use anything with a muzzle brake - ear muffs mandatory with brakes and youth.

Shouldn't hearing protection be mandatory with a youth shooting ANYTHING, regardless of if it has a muzzle brake attached?!?!

Are guns with muzzle brakes louder? Absolutely! But, a youth will shoot nearly any, hunting caliber, rifle better and enjoy it more when it has a muzzle brake.

Wearing electronic ear muffs while hunting is a benefit, not only does it protect your hearing but you can hear substantially better with them on.
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 14, 2015, 11:06:34 AM: I do get a kick out of it though Landon . Go to cabelas or sportsmans warehouse, the gun counter, whatda think abiotic such and such? Lol the bs starts rollin!! Funny stuff
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 14, 2015, 11:20:55 AM: With the variety of cartridges and good boolits there is no reason/need for a kid to to pack around a 28",snouted with loudner around the woods... None, even if they're shooting to 800-1000 yards...
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Post by: Stein on February 14, 2015, 12:03:11 PM: 30 caliber in either a 308 or 30-06. In my book, these are the minimum reliable elk rounds and my personal favorites due to the availability, price and tradition.
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Post by: mountainman on February 14, 2015, 01:57:21 PM: Quote from: 257 Wby Mag on February 14, 2015, 11:06:34 AM
I do get a kick out of it though Landon . Go to cabelas or sportsmans warehouse, the gun counter, whatda think abiotic such and such? Lol the bs starts rollin!! Funny stuff
lol. Kinda like around here huh? Need a new pair of waders about every week! :chuckle:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 14, 2015, 03:27:04 PM: Quote from: mountainman on February 14, 2015, 08:53:46 AM
243 is a fine starter caliber. Mild recoil allows for accurate placement, which will trump headspace AND bullet type every time! I know folk who post pics of 1/2" groups at 300 yards from a bench, but have a hard time hitting mulie 's at 30 yards.. :dunno: :chuckle:

Headspace?

What does headspace have to do with anything?
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2015, 03:30:20 PM: Quote from: jay.sharkbait on February 14, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
Quote from: mountainman on February 14, 2015, 08:53:46 AM
243 is a fine starter caliber. Mild recoil allows for accurate placement, which will trump headspace AND bullet type every time! I know folk who post pics of 1/2" groups at 300 yards from a bench, but have a hard time hitting mulie 's at 30 yards.. :dunno: :chuckle:

Headspace?

What does headspace have to do with anything?

He meant to say headstamp.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2015, 03:36:40 PM: Headspace is the vacuous void inside a cranium which results in incohesive thoughts, babbling, and flinching. That never happens with a 243. :tup:
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Post by: jasnt on February 14, 2015, 03:53:20 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on February 14, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Headspace is the vacuous void inside a cranium which results in incohesive thoughts, babbling, and flinching. That never happens with a 243. :tup:
:chuckle:
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Post by: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2015, 04:02:59 PM: Quote from: Bob33 on February 14, 2015, 03:36:40 PM
Headspace is the vacuous void inside a cranium which results in incohesive thoughts, babbling, and flinching. That never happens with a 243. :tup:

Perfect.. :chuckle:
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Post by: yorketransport on February 15, 2015, 07:26:44 AM: I'm surprised that the 243 gets so much attention over the 6.5 CM, 260, and 6.5x47. :dunno:

Just find a gun that fits him and then go from there. Let him try it with some reduced loads to see how it works. If it needs a brake have one installed. The extra noise shouldn't make a difference because he should have hearing protection on no matter what. The price of electronic muffs have really come down and my kids never come shooting or hunting with me with out them. Heck, I won't even fire a shot while hunting unless I have some sort of hearing protection on!

Andrew
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: mountainman on February 15, 2015, 11:24:33 AM: Quote from: 257 Wby Mag on February 14, 2015, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: Biggerhammer on February 14, 2015, 10:10:56 AM
Ask a counter monkey at a local gunshop, I'm sure they will enlighten you. :chuckle:

My god, please no!!! We'll have another tikka/vortex sheet show out in the woods...
doesn't take a couple of you long on any post to try to turn it into a tikka/barnes/vortex bash fest. Sheesh, stay on topic..if you can :dunno: :chuckle:

Yes, not many comments on the 260 Rem. It fits the OP also, with a wide selection of, this is for 257Weatherby, "Boolits" :chuckle:
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Post by: Westside88 on February 15, 2015, 11:42:58 AM: Lots of good choices. I'd go with a 270 win. Extremely versatile, you can get ammo anywhere with many choices of bullets. Recoil isn't bad and could even be tamed down with reduced recoil loads. Many options at good prices. Many would disagree, but I consider it a minimum for Elk.
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on February 15, 2015, 01:02:50 PM: 260s are cool, momma has a model 7 260 with a hot pink McMillan , dandy little shootin iron. For a small framed kid I'd still run a 243. In Oregon Idaho or Montana it would be a 22-250..
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Post by: Fowlweather25 on February 15, 2015, 01:14:32 PM: 7-08 perfect gun for a youth that will kill whatever it has to with little recoil. Its hard to beat.
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Post by: BLR 243 on February 15, 2015, 01:22:25 PM: 22 longrifle it kills steers and pigs all weigh more than deer. 22 magnum for elk and black bear. Or you could use a Zwicky cedar shaft and recurve kills deer dead.
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Post by: mountainman on February 15, 2015, 01:50:03 PM: I'll stick with the zwickies! !!
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Post by: Halo on February 15, 2015, 02:44:37 PM: I'm a fan of the .243 and the 7mm-08 we have both, my 13 year old daughter is a great shot with the .243 and loves shooting it. Will likely go put some rounds out this afternoon. I hate to see kids shooting more gun than they are ready for and developing a flinch or giving up on shooting or hunting. Recoil can take the fun and enjoyment out for kids pretty fast if it's more than they are ready for. And besides I would rather see a kid put a well placed shot on elk with a .243 they shoot a lot and are comfortable with than a crappy flinching shot with that rifle they will grow into. Just my :twocents:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: BigGoonTuna on February 15, 2015, 03:39:04 PM: Quote from: yorketransport on February 15, 2015, 07:26:44 AM
I'm surprised that the 243 gets so much attention over the 6.5 CM, 260, and 6.5x47. :dunno:
probably more due to the .243's availability than anything. the only (relatively) common cartridge in local stores that you've listed is the 260, and when i see them it's usually nearly twice as much as a box of .243 ammo on average. i agree that it's a neat caliber, though.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 15, 2015, 08:24:55 PM: .264 Win Mag is pretty tame on recoil
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Post by: Wingin it on February 16, 2015, 08:22:56 AM: Another vote for the 7mm-08!
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Post by: bobcat on February 16, 2015, 08:36:28 AM: Quote from: JimmyHoffa on February 15, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
.264 Win Mag is pretty tame on recoil

:yike:
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: Taco280AI on February 16, 2015, 08:55:02 AM: According to Chuck Hawk's recoil table:

7-08 7.5lb rifle 120gr @ 3000fps 12lbs of recoil energy and recoil velocity of 10.2
243 7.5lb 100gr @ 2960 8.8lbs of recoil energy and recoil velocity of 8.7

For a small 10 year old, the 243 all the way. The 7-08 comes back quite a bit harder and faster than the 243. Give them too much early on and they'll just learn to flinch.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 16, 2015, 03:00:37 PM: Quote from: bobcat on February 16, 2015, 08:36:28 AM

Quote from: JimmyHoffa on February 15, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
.264 Win Mag is pretty tame on recoil

:yike:
With the 100 or 117 gr bullets it feels quite a bit less than a .308 Win (150 gr). With 140 gr about the same as .308 Win.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: bobcat on February 16, 2015, 03:34:40 PM: That certainly wasn't my experience with the 264 mag. With a 140 grain bullet at 3200 fps, the recoil is well above any 308 load. I could see it not being bad with a 100 grain bullet, but that's pretty light for the caliber. Plus the 264 really needs a 26 inch barrel to reach its full potential. Not really a kid friendly cartridge.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: fastdam on February 16, 2015, 03:44:06 PM: 264 win mag with a 140 grain bullet is not much different than a 7 rem mag and that is way too much gun for a, 10 year old. Remember this is a kids gun. It needs to be light enough for a child to carry, minimum recoil and perform on elk. 30-30 is the way to go.
Title: Re: What caliber would you choose?
Post by: jasnt on February 16, 2015, 04:56:40 PM: Quote from: bobcat on February 16, 2015, 03:34:40 PM
That certainly wasn't my experience with the 264 mag. With a 140 grain bullet at 3200 fps, the recoil is well above any 308 load. I could see it not being bad with a 100 grain bullet, but that's pretty light for the caliber. Plus the 264 really needs a 26 inch barrel to reach its full potential. Not really a kid friendly cartridge.
:yeah: