Post by: Dan-o on February 15, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
But, I do have a 9mm pistol, and I haven't updated home defensive rounds for probably 20 years.
I know that lots of technological advancement in ammo has occurred in that time..... I just have some old hollow points.
So, I'm looking for advice on what type of home defense ammo to look for. Brand and type recommendations.....
Thanks,
Dan
Post by: follow maggie on February 15, 2015, 11:29:11 PM
Post by: longwalker on February 16, 2015, 05:15:14 AM
Post by: jasnt on February 16, 2015, 05:58:10 AM
Post by: Atroxus on February 16, 2015, 06:03:46 AM
There's really no good argument for a pistol to be your primary home defense weapon.
I disagree, and have two good arguments for my carry weapon being my home defense weapon. First, I have a house where the available space and angles where I would be most likely to confront intruder(s) make maneuvering a shotgun safely/effectively difficult. Second, my handgun which is stored in a small fast access lock box is also more readily accessible in an emergency than my shotgun that is in a gun safe that is hidden in a closet.
To the OP, I use Speer gold dot. They pass FBI testing requirements and they feed reliably in my handgun. From what I have read, pretty much any modern JHP that is designed for personal/home defense can be effective. Not all firearms operate reliably with all ammo though, so whatever you choose I recommend buying a few extra boxes to take to the range and fire through your handgun to make sure it feeds/ejects reliably. Would suck to find out when there are people breaking into your home, that your chosen ammo causes your handgun to malfunction. :twocents:
Post by: jasnt on February 16, 2015, 06:07:15 AM
Great advice!
Post by: dog on February 16, 2015, 07:06:44 AM
Post by: follow maggie on February 16, 2015, 07:28:52 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 07:44:47 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on February 16, 2015, 07:49:14 AM
Long walker .... try walking around your house everyday with your longgun. I wear my 9mm from the time I get up to the time I go to bed. And than it is with in reach. Cant do that with a long gun. The best home defense gun is the one you have on you when you need it.
The rest is range time.
Ammo is down the list aways. :twocents:
Post by: Dan-o on February 16, 2015, 07:52:45 AM
I appreciate the great advice and the links.
I will DEFINITELY cycle a few boxes through (of whatever I land on).
I shoot a fair amount of ball ammo just to make holes, but it dawned on me that I hadn't replaced the defensive ammo in forever.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 08:00:59 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 16, 2015, 08:04:15 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on February 16, 2015, 08:16:24 AM
Big mistake not regularly rotating/firing the ammo in your carry and home defense guns. Temperature and humidity changes, especially on your hip or in your car, can cause it to hang or jam. If you do leave the same ammo in them without firing it, make sure you're very proficient at throwing your firearm at a moving target.
That's why revolvers make a lot of sense to me.
That said I have done absolutely hideous things to Glocks and they always work.
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2015, 09:10:17 AM
Big mistake not regularly rotating/firing the ammo in your carry and home defense guns. Temperature and humidity changes, especially on your hip or in your car, can cause it to hang or jam. If you do leave the same ammo in them without firing it, make sure you're very proficient at throwing your firearm at a moving target.
That's why revolvers make a lot of sense to me.
That said I have done absolutely hideous things to Glocks and they always work.
It's not the gun but the ammo you need to worry about. If it doesn't fire or you get slower burn because of moisture/humidity, your cute little Austrian gun isn't any better than a zip gun. Not rotating ammo is a common mistake of those who carry and it could prove deadly.
Post by: The scout on February 16, 2015, 09:16:17 AM
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Post by: Bofire on February 16, 2015, 09:22:31 AM
Carl
Post by: Goldy79 on February 16, 2015, 09:52:53 AM
Post by: Dan-o on February 16, 2015, 07:09:20 PM
Big mistake not regularly rotating/firing the ammo in your carry and home defense guns. Temperature and humidity changes, especially on your hip or in your car, can cause it to hang or jam. If you do leave the same ammo in them without firing it, make sure you're very proficient at throwing your firearm at a moving target.
Agreed.
I bought like a million rounds of 9 mm ball ammo a long time ago, and I shoot the pistol fairly regularly. I even shoot my hollow points out fairly regularly..... just because.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 16, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Post by: HighlandLofts on February 16, 2015, 08:22:28 PM
After having your self defense ammo in your magazines, I'd recommend useing it up after three or four months and replace it with new stuff.
Practice, Practice & Practice.
I use a S&W 642 revolver for conceal carry, It has the enclosed hammer so stuff doesn't get in to the mechanisms and jam it up. I use to carry a Khar PM9, but sold it due to how dirty it would get internally. These revolvers are fail proof. I'll carry a semi if I'm going to town, but for every day task that I do I prefer the revolver.
Post by: RIVERRAT on February 16, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on March 02, 2015, 08:04:29 AM
Post by: lamrith on March 02, 2015, 08:34:03 AM
I run NON +p, some gun Mfg do not warranty for +p use. 9mm is moving fast enough you do not need the extra pressure/speed, that just causes more over penetration.
Post by: jjaba on March 02, 2015, 08:49:31 AM
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 10:28:28 AM
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Post by: NW-GSP on March 02, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
I am a big fan of 9mm. Just think about how many walls a projectile will pass through? Maybe it will even exit your home?. If you hit someone other then your intended target you will be facing charges.
Post by: RadSav on March 02, 2015, 09:11:49 PM
Honestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I agree. Ammo choice should depend on how many people are in the house. When we have company the Gold Dots come out and the Glaser rounds go in the bedside gun. Usually a shotgun with #8 or 9 close by as well.
Post by: NW-GSP on March 02, 2015, 09:16:25 PM
Honestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I agree. Ammo choice should depend on how many people are in the house. When we have company the Gold Dots come out and the Glaser rounds go in the bedside gun. Usually a shotgun with #8 or 9 close by as well.
I like your choice on the shotgun. A couple rounds of birdshot at close range makes for allot of damage.
Post by: mountainman on March 02, 2015, 09:23:06 PM
:yeah: that's why i keep my primary loaded as per my respond aboveHonestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I agree. Ammo choice should depend on how many people are in the house. When we have company the Gold Dots come out and the Glaser rounds go in the bedside gun. Usually a shotgun with #8 or 9 close by as well.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on March 03, 2015, 06:48:07 AM
Honestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I am a big fan of 9mm. Just think about how many walls a projectile will pass through? Maybe it will even exit your home?. If you hit someone other then your intended target you will be facing charges.
9mm, 40, and .45 will all go through your house, regardless if its a hollow point or not. sheet rock sucks at stopping bullets. only real exception I have found is frangible type ammo, however its expensive and not always reliable in semi's. that's why shotguns and 223/5.56 has become so favorable, buckshot and 55g bullets will actually go through less wall but are substantially more powerful.
Post by: mountainman on March 03, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
really??Honestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I am a big fan of 9mm. Just think about how many walls a projectile will pass through? Maybe it will even exit your home?. If you hit someone other then your intended target you will be facing charges.
9mm, 40, and .45 will all go through your house, regardless if its a hollow point or not. sheet rock sucks at stopping bullets. only real exception I have found is frangible type ammo, however its expensive and not always reliable in semi's. that's why shotguns and 223/5.56 has become so favorable, buckshot and 55g bullets will actually go through less wall but are substantially more powerful.
Post by: ghosthunter on March 03, 2015, 07:50:06 AM
but since everyone brought up other choices.
My Bed time hand gun is a Judge loaded with self defense 410 loads.
Iknow ,I know do not whine, its not becomeing of grown men.
My bedroom is the end of a 20 ft hallway with no rooms off it. If they can advance through 5 rounds of 410 PDX than nothing short of a gernade witll stop them. :yike:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 03, 2015, 08:46:21 AM
Post by: mossy8352 on March 03, 2015, 09:09:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv2qBjXtz7pjF4WnkMzA3dw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCv2qBjXtz7pjF4WnkMzA3dw)
He is mostly unbiased and I personally found his site very informative. You will see actual video of the performance of the bullet in a sim block!
Post by: Mongo Hunter on March 03, 2015, 09:29:54 AM
really??Honestly the biggest thing to think about is over penetration. Bullet going through your intended target and hitting someone that you do not want to or going through walls and hitting someone you don't want to hit. :twocents:
I am a big fan of 9mm. Just think about how many walls a projectile will pass through? Maybe it will even exit your home?. If you hit someone other then your intended target you will be facing charges.
9mm, 40, and .45 will all go through your house, regardless if its a hollow point or not. sheet rock sucks at stopping bullets. only real exception I have found is frangible type ammo, however its expensive and not always reliable in semi's. that's why shotguns and 223/5.56 has become so favorable, buckshot and 55g bullets will actually go through less wall but are substantially more powerful.
These are kinda old but they give you an Idea
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-3-the-shotgun-meets-the-box-o-truth/ (http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-3-the-shotgun-meets-the-box-o-truth/)
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/ (http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-1-the-original-box-o-truth/)
He shot through 12 pieces of sheet rock basically 6 walls. now of course this is worst case scenario of a miss not hitting board or an appliance. but now think in the most probable scenario in your house of a shooting and how many walls are behind your target. I can tell you mine, shooting from my bedroom door down the hall, there are 2 walls (bathroom) than a garage door, than outside. not even close to 6 walls. just something to keep in mind and soothing you may want to look at.
Post by: mountainman on March 03, 2015, 10:04:27 AM
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Post by: wildweeds on March 04, 2015, 08:07:58 PM
Big mistake not regularly rotating/firing the ammo in your carry and home defense guns. Temperature and humidity changes, especially on your hip or in your car, can cause it to hang or jam. If you do leave the same ammo in them without firing it, make sure you're very proficient at throwing your firearm at a moving target.
That's why revolvers make a lot of sense to me.
That said I have done absolutely hideous things to Glocks and they always work.
Post by: CP on March 05, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
... I told him THATS WHY you leave a revolver resting on an empty hole.
No need to do this with a modern revolver. The transfer bar safety has been standard on revolvers for about 50 years.