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Title: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: bearpaw on March 01, 2015, 10:17:41 PM
Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
 
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS February 28, 2015
 
LEWISTON, Idaho — An aerial survey of marine mammals in the lower Columbia River found spring Chinook salmon will have to make it past more than 6,000 hungry harbor seals, 1,500 California sea lions and 100 Steller sea lions.
 
The marine mammals are drawn into the river this time of year to take advantage of a large smelt run, but they will switch to spring Chinook by spring.
 
"We have more sea lions than ever in the Columbia, and they are there when endangered salmon and steelhead are there, and the smelt they are eating are endangered as well," said Steve Jefferies of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife told The Lewiston Tribune (http://is.gd/n79s0Y (http://is.gd/n79s0Y) ).
 
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Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: kentrek on March 01, 2015, 10:38:02 PM
6000+1500+100 =7600
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Skillet on March 01, 2015, 10:40:45 PM
 :mgun:
In this case, I fully support unrestricted tribal hunting rights. Imagine they could find a market for harbor seal blubber of they wanted too...
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: kentrek on March 01, 2015, 10:41:22 PM
 seals need to be controlled....but if fish numbers are the concern then the focus should be birds
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 01, 2015, 10:43:56 PM
They said they will eat maybe 40 percent of the fish coming in also there is the biggest Caspian tern colony down there eating the smolt on the way out of the river the docks have so many sea lions in some places the boats can't tie up.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: fishnfur on March 01, 2015, 11:39:34 PM
Yep.  As I've said in several posts, the river is absoultely full of birds and marine mammals between Cathlamet and West Longview.  It was probably alot like this, but way (way) bigger before humans destroyed the salmon runs (smelt, sturgeon, on and on...) in the Columbia and elsewhere. 

I don't like those sea lions there one bit (or the birds feeding on smolt), but I don't bitch about it very much.  I'm pretty sure they are probably having meetings every night on those docks, squabbling about how to control the populations of humans taking all their fish. 

I'm just enjoying the the wildlife for the time being.  Reminds me of when I was a kid.  Seeing all that activity made me feel that everything was still OK in the world.

There are still tons of smelt heading up the Cowlitz.  I don't imagine things will change much for several weeks.  I'm hoping the salmon runs get around the sea lions, gill nets, and past the fish ladders to spawn.  If I get a couple along the way, I'm a happy man.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: timberfaller on March 03, 2015, 09:23:14 AM
Just heard about this the other day!   Was listening to the local news on the radio this morning :yike: The spokesman from I think Bonneville went on record that "the more seals showing up, means more fish returning" :yike:

With that said, that means the more wolves there are, the more deer and elk we will have!???

AND

The more raptors there are the more game birds we'll see!!??  :chuckle:

If this is the case with the seals, maybe its time to de-list the Salmon and Stealhead???  :chuckle: :tup:
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 03, 2015, 10:18:35 AM
Next aerial survey should be done with a B-52.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2015, 11:17:02 AM
Next aerial survey should be done with a B-52.

Probably not great for the run, though.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Ripper on March 03, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
Do it with an A-10 then. They can be more discriminate than a B-52.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 03, 2015, 11:25:08 AM
Do it with an A-10 then. They can be more discriminate than a B-52.

That would be so cool. Depleted uranium for sea lions. I love that.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2015, 11:51:37 AM
The Makah's were allowed to kill blue whales, why not allow the natives to kill seals and sealions?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
I dont think you will find much help from the tribes on this one. Endangered Salmon Helps expand Tribes reach and authority via water rights. There is a LOT more $ in water rights Than Salmon. there are Federal $ available and people with land are more willing to shell out to "Protect" What they have.
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: fastdam on March 03, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
How about opening it to hunting for EVERYONE not just American indians :dunno:
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
How about opening it to hunting for EVERYONE not just American indians :dunno:

Ideally, yes.  But it seems like the greenies have no problem with letting natives do whatever they wish.  So, it seems that it might be an easier sell to let the natives have at it.  :dunno:  But then, maybe they wouldn't want to anyway.......???  I just wish someone would do it. 

What really should happen is the Oregon State and Washington State wildlife departments should tell the feds to suck it.......and start wackin' and stackin'...... :tup:   :mgun: :mgun2:
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 04:22:11 PM
Tribes have more freedom because they dont have to listen to Local Bunny huggers just federal law.

I think there COULD be some real improvement via tribes they seem to have more latitude....
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Encore 280 on March 03, 2015, 04:36:08 PM
I was in Astoria a couple weeks ago at my cousins above the east end mooring basin. I couldn't believe all the damn sea lions down there piled on the rocks and mooring slips! I was wishing we could put a pod of killer whales in there and block both ends of the basin and see what happens. :yike: Would be fun to sit up there and pick 'em off with a sniper rifle too!! :tup:
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 04:42:33 PM
Why do you think they are seeing great whites out there now?
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: timberfaller on March 03, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
 :tup: Special T!!

One thing though, Had it not been for the "tribes" getting involved,  NOAA would have succeeded in killing off the Carson stock!!  YOU ALL know it as "returning salmon" :)



Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: Special T on March 03, 2015, 05:32:32 PM
Look the statement isnt ment to derail the thread and startbashing tribes.... I must say tho that if you look at a lot of effort, actions, and littigation by tribes $ is the overall goal. I would love to see a partnership between tribes and sportmen on various issues relating to salmon... Seperate Merganser limits are one of them... Totally doable....
Title: Re: Study finds 7,500 marine mammals in lower Columbia River
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 04, 2015, 05:50:33 AM
I was talking to one of the Enforcement captains last night. The Marine Mammal Protection Act and ESA, in which all of the critters are listed, give no allowance for native harvest of these critters. The only control on these creatures is the trapping done at Bonneville, and then lethal control only after the animal has been positively identified as a salmon eater. That quota is still sitting at 80 animals, or 1/10th of 1% of the population(s). He indicated frustration at their inability to do anything about the number of animals that are munching on smelt and will stick around for the salmon runs all spring and summer.
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