Post by: Hurricane on March 05, 2015, 07:51:14 AM
Don't know if this is on here yet. Interesting.
OLYMPIA — The state would overhaul its wolf-management measures and goals under a bill that the Senate passed 39-9 Wednesday. The bill now goes to the House.
The bill sponsored by Sen. Brian Dansel, R-Republic, would order the state Department of Fish & Wildlife to change its 2011 wolf management plan to base full recovery on packs instead of breeding pairs; to examine wolves killing livestock and wildlife, such as deer and elk; and to nail down when a wolf can be legally killed.
The department also would have to determine when ranchers and farmers can be compensated for the loss of livestock to wolves. The deadline to overhaul the wolf management plan is June 30, 2017.
Wolves in the western two-thirds of the state are protected by the federal Endangered Species Act.
Wolves in Eastern Washington lost their federal protection in 2011 but not state protection.
A state report for 2013 estimated that Washington had 52 wolves in 13 packs with five successful breeding pairs. Ten packs are in the state’s northeast corner, which also had three of the state’s five breeding pairs in 2013. However, Reuters recently reported that Washington is down to two breeding pairs. A breeding pair is a female and male with at least two pups.
Right now, one of Washington’s criteria for a successful wolf recovery is 15 successful breeding pairs for three consecutive years with four breeding pairs on each of three recovery areas. The 2013 state report found no more than two breeding pairs in any recovery area.
On Tuesday, the Western Law Environmental Center filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Seattle to stop the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Wildlife Service from killing wolves, Reuters reported.
Last year, the Wildlife Service shot a female wolf in a breeding pair — dropping the number of three to two — by mistake, thinking it was another wolf that had attacked livestock.
On Wednesday, Sen. Brian Hatfield, D-Raymond, noted that during a Senate committee hearing, one rancher testified that wolves killed 300 of his animals. He said, “This is a serious issue.”
Post by: wolfbait on March 05, 2015, 08:47:48 AM
Now we are starting to get some where. :tup:
Post by: Curly on March 05, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
Post by: Bob33 on March 05, 2015, 12:44:50 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 05, 2015, 12:47:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 05, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
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Reuters recently reported that Washington is down to two breeding pairs.
If Reuters says it then it's got to be true right!
Post by: bobcat on March 05, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
Post by: wolfbait on March 06, 2015, 09:44:14 AM
I wonder if the US Fish & Wildlife Service would agree to these changes? They need to approve the wolf plan, since wolves are an endangered species.
The wolves never were endangered, introducing the wolves was a big farce put on by the environmentalists and the USFWS. Go back an look at the lies the environmentalists and USFWS told before the introduction, and look at the fraud afterwards.
Look at the states that are now shooting the "endangered species". :roll eyes: History ought to have some say by now in other states, and wolves should be hunted as the predator they are.
Post by: bobcat on March 06, 2015, 09:50:19 AM
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
But anyway the point is the USFWS is in charge and the state can't just change the wolf plan without their approval.
Post by: wolfbait on March 06, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
Well, that's your opinion that they're not an endangered species. Maybe what I should have said is that they are on the endangered species list.
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
But anyway the point is the USFWS is in charge and the state can't just change the wolf plan without their approval.
I kind of think the wolf history is starting to catch up with the USFWS, and there might be some changes coming up :tup:
Post by: mfswallace on March 06, 2015, 10:01:49 AM
Well, that's your opinion that they're not an endangered species. Maybe what I should have said is that they are on the endangered species list.
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
But anyway the point is the USFWS is in charge and the state can't just change the wolf plan without their approval.
The feds have delisted a few different times in a number of places, it is the enviros and antis along with a sympathetic fed judge who continue the farce :bash: the USFWS is fighting latest ruling :tup:
Post by: Curly on March 06, 2015, 12:01:15 PM
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
What about the eastern 1/3 of the state? The feds don't consider wolves endangered there. Why not revise the wolf plan now? Seems like the feds would agree with a revision........
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 06, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
What about the eastern 1/3 of the state? The feds don't consider wolves endangered there. Why not revise the wolf plan now? Seems like the feds would agree with a revision........
I don't think they would agree to a revision. It would be the state against the USFWS. Our governor doesn't have he intestinal fortitude of the WY governor to tell the feds to pound sand. He'd probably veto the bill for the west side votes.
Post by: Curly on March 06, 2015, 04:53:41 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 06, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
Post by: wolfbait on March 07, 2015, 05:52:55 PM
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
What about the eastern 1/3 of the state? The feds don't consider wolves endangered there. Why not revise the wolf plan now? Seems like the feds would agree with a revision........
I don't think they would agree to a revision. It would be the state against the USFWS. Our governor doesn't have he intestinal fortitude of the WY governor to tell the feds to pound sand. He'd probably veto the bill for the west side votes.
Yep I agree, I keep hoping the USFWS-WDFW will see that people are catching on to the endangered wolf fraud and steer WA out of the ditch. Now we have the USFWS pushing the grizzly bear recovery, you can bet the pair have already been dumping bears.
We don't know what to think about Dansel here yet. He promised a guy I know, who has worked his arse off for ATVs here and Dansel denied he ever said anything about ATV support. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched...................he's new in politics and seems to be a, "YES MAN" to get his stripes.
I wonder if he knows it won't go anywhere and is just trying to make a few points?
Post by: idahohuntr on March 07, 2015, 08:22:26 PM
I thought the feds took the wolves off the endangered list for the eastern third of the state? I guess I don't see why USFW would have a problem if the state now decided to pull the wolf off of state protection? :dunno: Not that our predator loving state WDFW would ever do that.......and the wolf hugging groups would have a fit too, but if the state really wanted to revise the wolf plan, what grounds would the feds have to complain? :dunno:Curly, you are correct. If the state revises the wolf plan, the Eastern 1/3 of Wa...USFWS has no involvement. As far as the feds are concerned we could be hunting them in E. Wa right now. Its the state law and plan that is preventing hunting.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 07, 2015, 08:31:59 PM
Right or wrong, the fact is the federal government considers wolves to be endangered. (Endangered of going extinct, I guess) :dunno:
What about the eastern 1/3 of the state? The feds don't consider wolves endangered there. Why not revise the wolf plan now? Seems like the feds would agree with a revision........
I don't think they would agree to a revision. It would be the state against the USFWS. Our governor doesn't have he intestinal fortitude of the WY governor to tell the feds to pound sand. He'd probably veto the bill for the west side votes.
Yep I agree, I keep hoping the USFWS-WDFW will see that people are catching on to the endangered wolf fraud and steer WA out of the ditch. Now we have the USFWS pushing the grizzly bear recovery, you can bet the pair have already been dumping bears.We don't know what to think about Dansel here yet. He promised a guy I know, who has worked his arse off for ATVs here and Dansel denied he ever said anything about ATV support. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched...................he's new in politics and seems to be a, "YES MAN" to get his stripes.
I wonder if he knows it won't go anywhere and is just trying to make a few points?
I'm thinking points................
Post by: bearpaw on March 09, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
I thought the feds took the wolves off the endangered list for the eastern third of the state? I guess I don't see why USFW would have a problem if the state now decided to pull the wolf off of state protection? :dunno: Not that our predator loving state WDFW would ever do that.......and the wolf hugging groups would have a fit too, but if the state really wanted to revise the wolf plan, what grounds would the feds have to complain? :dunno:Curly, you are correct. If the state revises the wolf plan, the Eastern 1/3 of Wa...USFWS has no involvement. As far as the feds are concerned we could be hunting them in E. Wa right now. Its the state law and plan that is preventing hunting.
:yeah:
I don't see a problem because we will still have the most liberal wolf plan in regard to number of packs per size of state!
I wonder if the US Fish & Wildlife Service would agree to these changes? They need to approve the wolf plan, since wolves are an endangered species.