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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: longrangehunter338 on March 11, 2015, 07:18:10 PM

Title: breeding question
Post by: longrangehunter338 on March 11, 2015, 07:18:10 PM: I saw this question posted else where so I thought I might ask it here, " anyone know of a german wirehaired pointer and a wirehaired pointing griffon ever being bred together? Would this breeding make a great hunting dog?
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: Lee Root on March 11, 2015, 07:45:45 PM: German wirehair pointers, having been originally Deutsch Drahthaars, are a blend of four dogs. This was done in Germany over 100 years ago. One of the 4 combinations was the Griffon.

As a breeder of Deutsch Drahthaars, I can see no reason why anyone would do this. But then I realize that people will do things all the time that I don't understand...
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: lokidog on March 11, 2015, 07:56:29 PM: On the practical side of this... most purchase agreements of purebred dogs prohibit cross breeding. :dunno:
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: AspenBud on March 12, 2015, 07:29:37 AM: I saw that question posted elsewhere too.

My thoughts on it go like this...

1. Why do it? Both breeds are different for a reason.
2. Doing this will lead to unpredictable results. The genes of both breeds are rather set but once you start mixing them back up the outcomes are anyone's guess.
3. What would make such a breeding more special than a breeding between proven and titled dogs of the same breed?

The question indicates a lack of understanding of how dog breeding works. There is no stated goal other than to "make a better hunting dog" but there are no parameters stated and it seems the person asking the question thinks they'll get something by simply slapping two breeds together. It takes a lot of generations of dogs to get the desired characteristics set.
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 12, 2015, 08:05:01 AM: It takes hundreds of years of careful breeding to bring out wonderful attributes in each breed and make them known for those said qualities.

It takes seconds for a idiot to think they can make it better by breeding a dog one time.
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: longrangehunter338 on March 13, 2015, 03:01:24 AM: Reading upland journal, a number of owners and breeders talked about these two dogs and from the sound of it, two of either breed are not built the same. It almost sounds like luck of the draw as to what traits you get. Some say the Gwp is not built for family life as well as the Wpg is and others say they are. Instinctive hunting is stong in some of either breed and not in others and so on. Makes it hard to decide what kind of hunting dog to get.
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: PointNLab on March 13, 2015, 08:27:51 AM: There is only one reason to breed dogs and that's to improve that breed. I see no benefit to cross breeds. If there are traits you would like to enhance in a breed do the research and find those traits within that breed.
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: Happy Gilmore on March 13, 2015, 12:42:02 PM: Quote from: PointNLab on March 13, 2015, 08:27:51 AM
There is only one reason to breed dogs and that's to improve that breed. I see no benefit to cross breeds. If there are traits you would like to enhance in a breed do the research and find those traits within that breed.

like pointing? :chuckle: sorry, couldn't resist..
Title: Re: breeding question
Post by: constructeur on March 15, 2015, 10:02:48 AM: Quote from: longrangehunter338 on March 13, 2015, 03:01:24 AM
Reading upland journal, a number of owners and breeders talked about these two dogs and from the sound of it, two of either breed are not built the same. It almost sounds like luck of the draw as to what traits you get. Some say the Gwp is not built for family life as well as the Wpg is and others say they are. Instinctive hunting is stong in some of either breed and not in others and so on. Makes it hard to decide what kind of hunting dog to get.

That's why it's important to actually get out and visit a kennel, interact with the dogs, and watch the sire and bitch work if at all possible.

That's also a good way to vet out the show dog kennels that say they hunt (and by hunt they mean work their dog 3x a year on preserve birds...)