Post by: danderson on March 15, 2015, 08:05:41 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 15, 2015, 08:20:50 AM
Medical tape
All types of band aids including the butterfly
Gauze large and small
Roll of ace bandage rap with large gauze in it
Alcohol pads
Iodine pads
Wet wipes
Q tips
Tounge decompresser
Scalpel with two blades
Stitches kit
Fore snips
Quick clot package
I'm sure there more Ill dig throuh it and add to this
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 08:29:45 AM
Leukotape
Duct tape (about 6 feet)
Benedryl (probably most useful thing to have)
Cold and Flu PM and AM
Quick Clot
Anything else is just redundancy. In my opinion, and this is strictly my opinion, is that the first aid kit is one of those items people overpack (and overthink).
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Post by: danderson on March 15, 2015, 08:58:02 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 09:01:58 AM
Is Leukotape better than mole skin, I know mole skin falls off in creek crossings
In my opinion, yes.
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Post by: jtw on March 15, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 09:15:08 AM
I thought I already replied to this but my first aid kit has neosporin, duct tape and super glue mixed in with a bunch of other items I've never needed.
I forgot. I also have neosporin and super glue...
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Post by: Jarhead Chase on March 15, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
- I keep a tourniquet wrapped around my first aid kit bag. I like the C-A-T
- Orajel is a must (or anything else use can use as a topical lidocaine.
- Small scissors (blunt sharps and sharp sharps)
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: boneaddict on March 15, 2015, 09:23:37 AM
Benedryl (probably most useful thing to have)
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You never know what allergen is going to kill you, and when it happens there is no going back. Probably saved my kid on a fishing trip. I have some in every bag when I am I the woods, from a fly box to the camera bag.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 09:24:34 AM
Benedryl (probably most useful thing to have)
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You never know what allergen is going to kill you, and when it happens there is no going back. Probably saved my kid on a fishing trip. I have some in every bag when I am I the woods, from a fly box to the camera bag.
Exactly.
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Post by: Call em in on March 15, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
Benedryl (probably most useful thing to have)
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You never know what allergen is going to kill you, and when it happens there is no going back. Probably saved my kid on a fishing trip. I have some in every bag when I am I the woods, from a fly box to the camera bag.
Exactly.
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If you have access to them or know someone who does, an epi pen is a valuable item. I carry benedryl as well.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 10:05:21 AM
Basically, an epi pen only gives you about thirty minutes of relief, while if you took say 4 benedryls then took another every hour or so until help arrived you would theoretically lengthen your survival time.
This is based on the assumption you are likely 4-6 hours from help, which is mildly optimistic depending on the situation.
It's not that the epi pen wouldn't be useful, but that its primary purpose is to give you the 15-30 minutes until paramedics arrive which isn't possible in the backcountry.
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Post by: Yankee on March 15, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
-Sports tape
-Benadryl
-Ibuprofen
-One pack of quick clot
-Israeli bandage
Post by: Bmcox86 on March 15, 2015, 10:18:57 AM
Bendadryl
Ibuprofen
Vet wrap
Quick clot
Triangle bandage
Post by: fireweed on March 15, 2015, 10:22:22 AM
Ditto: ibuprofen, Benadryl (helps you sleep on the too)
powder or corn starch if you tend to get rubbed--feet, sides.
needle
tape
misc. bandages
Post by: steeliedrew on March 15, 2015, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: Call em in on March 15, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
There was a pretty interesting thread about epi pens versus Benadryl.
Basically, an epi pen only gives you about thirty minutes of relief, while if you took say 4 benedryls then took another every hour or so until help arrived you would theoretically lengthen your survival time.
This is based on the assumption you are likely 4-6 hours from help, which is mildly optimistic depending on the situation.
It's not that the epi pen wouldn't be useful, but that its primary purpose is to give you the 15-30 minutes until paramedics arrive which isn't possible in the backcountry.
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Interesting. I haven't read that thread. In a true anaphylactic emergency you will want the epi pen in conjunction with the Benadryl.
Post by: nwwanderer on March 15, 2015, 12:07:21 PM
Post by: Jarhead Chase on March 15, 2015, 01:02:10 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
There was a pretty interesting thread about epi pens versus Benadryl.Depending upon the patients sensitization to the allergen, the airway could swell up very quick. Epi could be necessary just to open the airway just long enough to get some oral diphenhydramine (Benadryl) down.
Basically, an epi pen only gives you about thirty minutes of relief, while if you took say 4 benedryls then took another every hour or so until help arrived you would theoretically lengthen your survival time.
This is based on the assumption you are likely 4-6 hours from help, which is mildly optimistic depending on the situation.
It's not that the epi pen wouldn't be useful, but that its primary purpose is to give you the 15-30 minutes until paramedics arrive which isn't possible in the backcountry.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on March 15, 2015, 01:11:58 PM
There was a pretty interesting thread about epi pens versus Benadryl.Depending upon the patients sensitization to the allergen, the airway could swell up very quick. Epi could be necessary just to open the airway just long enough to get some oral diphenhydramine (Benadryl) down.
Basically, an epi pen only gives you about thirty minutes of relief, while if you took say 4 benedryls then took another every hour or so until help arrived you would theoretically lengthen your survival time.
This is based on the assumption you are likely 4-6 hours from help, which is mildly optimistic depending on the situation.
It's not that the epi pen wouldn't be useful, but that its primary purpose is to give you the 15-30 minutes until paramedics arrive which isn't possible in the backcountry.
Definitely true.
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Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
I hope ya'll have a pocket knife handy and the mental wherewithal to fashion one out of your pant leg should you find yourself hemorrhaging your femoral artery. You can bleed out in 60-90 seconds should something go terribly wrong.
Warning: graphic content below.
yOUtUBE rANGERS KILLED INNOCENT UNARMED YOUNG BOY IN kARACHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3wEVAAJ5OQ#)
Granted: the best medicine for this young man would have been a gun to shoot back. After that, the only thing that could practically save his life is some sort of tourniquet. Your limb can survive 4-6 hours without blood flow. In any case better to lose it than your life.
Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
-One pack of quick clot
-Israeli bandage
Just to remind people a "pack" of Quick Clot manufactured in the last few years is no longer the Pixy Sticks, "open-n-pour" type trick-or-treat. It is now basically a bandage with the kaolin coagulant impregnanted into the gauze material itself. The old stuff was extremely caustic to all flesh and would become airborne when a helio was landed and fly up into peoples eyes :bdid: Prepare yourself now so you don't open it under stress, attempting to pour out something that is wadded up inside the package.
Proper application of the Quick Clot is to quickly blot away any pooled blood with a dressing other than the Quick Clot, discard that dressing, then apply the Quick Clot as close to the arterial source of bleed as possible. Note how the demonstrator packs the dressing under the thumb and applies pressure with one hand while the other hand grabs more dressing to shove in there. DO NOT just pull the dressing from the package, slap it onto the outside of the body, and apply pressure. PACK. THE. WOUND.
AGAIN: GRAPHIC CONTENT.
Quikclot Combat Gauze VIdeo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4gSDivxt0#)
Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 01:59:51 PM
Post by: 300rum on March 15, 2015, 02:18:24 PM
Post by: Call em in on March 15, 2015, 02:20:09 PM
There was a pretty interesting thread about epi pens versus Benadryl.Depending upon the patients sensitization to the allergen, the airway could swell up very quick. Epi could be necessary just to open the airway just long enough to get some oral diphenhydramine (Benadryl) down.
Basically, an epi pen only gives you about thirty minutes of relief, while if you took say 4 benedryls then took another every hour or so until help arrived you would theoretically lengthen your survival time.
This is based on the assumption you are likely 4-6 hours from help, which is mildly optimistic depending on the situation.
It's not that the epi pen wouldn't be useful, but that its primary purpose is to give you the 15-30 minutes until paramedics arrive which isn't possible in the backcountry.
:yeah: Well said. That was point I was trying to make.
Also, good point on the tourniquet. Sometimes I pack them sometimes I don't. I have known people who have needed them while in the backcountry. I have helped people many times with pretty decent lacerations but haven't had to use a tourniquet yet, knock on wood.
Another thing I like is those little gel dressings they make for burns. The name escapes me now, but we use them for blisters held in place with duct tape.
Post by: biggfish on March 15, 2015, 02:21:58 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 02:51:16 PM
Also, good point on the tourniquet. Sometimes I pack them sometimes I don't. I have known people who have needed them while in the backcountry. I have helped people many times with pretty decent lacerations but haven't had to use a tourniquet yet, knock on wood.
I would avoid a tourniquet if you don't need it. Spurting, arterial hemorrhage = need. Proper application of the tourniquet requires complete cessation of perfusion distal to the dressing. If a peripheral pulse is still palpable, that means blood is flowing into the limb, but might not be returning to the body. This "compartment syndrome" can be crushing to the limb.
Once a tourniquet has been applied and sat on there for a while it needs to be removed by a paramedic or higher. possibly a mandatory trip to the ER. bicarbonates must be administered to neutralize the lactic acid that builds up in the anaerobic process in the oxygen starved limb.
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Another thing I like is those little gel dressings they make for burns. The name escapes me now, but we use them for blisters held in place with duct tape.
Good ole dry sterile dressings works, too if that's all ya have. Stop the burning process with ROOM TEMPERTURE water then dry then wrap. DO NOT USE COLD WATER. Even though cold feels good! Cold water hastens vasoconstriction in the zone of stasis around the burn and increases the amount of necrosis and subsequent scar tissue.
Post by: Expedition Scout on March 15, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
Post by: Call em in on March 15, 2015, 04:17:35 PM
Also, good point on the tourniquet. Sometimes I pack them sometimes I don't. I have known people who have needed them while in the backcountry. I have helped people many times with pretty decent lacerations but haven't had to use a tourniquet yet, knock on wood.
I would avoid a tourniquet if you don't need it. Spurting, arterial hemorrhage = need. Proper application of the tourniquet requires complete cessation of perfusion distal to the dressing. If a peripheral pulse is still palpable, that means blood is flowing into the limb, but might not be returning to the body. This "compartment syndrome" can be crushing to the limb.
Once a tourniquet has been applied and sat on there for a while it needs to be removed by a paramedic or higher. possibly a mandatory trip to the ER. bicarbonates must be administered to neutralize the lactic acid that builds up in the anaerobic process in the oxygen starved limb.QuoteAnother thing I like is those little gel dressings they make for burns. The name escapes me now, but we use them for blisters held in place with duct tape.
Good ole dry sterile dressings works, too if that's all ya have. Stop the burning process with ROOM TEMPERTURE water then dry then wrap. DO NOT USE COLD WATER. Even though cold feels good! Cold water hastens vasoconstriction in the zone of stasis around the burn and increases the amount of necrosis and subsequent scar tissue.
Yes I know the conditions that warrant the use of a tourniquet but good info for those that don't. I would say if I felt that one was necessary it would be a mandatory er visit for fluid replenishment and wound care.
The blisters I was referring to using the burn pads on were blisters on your feet from friction. I should have been more clear but also good info bean.
Post by: danderson on March 15, 2015, 04:23:50 PM
Benedryl, Aspirin, mole skin, bandages, large ones that can be cut to size, Ibuprofen, neosporn, Pre-cut Leukotape strips, Antiseptic wipes, zinc oxide, Nitrite gloves, surgical blade, tweezers, super glue, surgical tape, elastic wrap, antacid, safety pins, Lanicane, iodine, Gauze, still a work in progress.
Post by: Jarhead Chase on March 15, 2015, 04:31:24 PM
MAKE SURE YOUR FIRST AID KIT IS WATER PROOF!
If at all possible, water proof each individual item that is sensitive to water as well. Bandages that won't stick, already activated quick clot, and warm wet conditions for medical supplies is not a good thing.
Post by: Bean Counter on March 15, 2015, 04:41:21 PM
Thanks for the input guys, its great to have input from people that know first hand, I'm limited in the amount of weight that I can carry in my pack so ultra light gear is a must my entire first aid kit I'm hoping to keep under 4 ounces, so I wont be bringing any quick clot hope that wont be needed, here's what I have come up with,
Benedryl, Aspirin, mole skin, bandages, large ones that can be cut to size, Ibuprofen, neosporn, Pre-cut Leukotape strips, Antiseptic wipes, zinc oxide, Nitrite gloves, surgical blade, tweezers, super glue, surgical tape, elastic wrap, antacid, safety pins, Lanicane, iodine, Gauze, still a work in progress.
An undergarment can double as a dressing for wound packing. Better to use a dirty pair of under ware that is packed into the wound properly than a Quik Clot that is improperly applied. That said: I would get rid of half the stuff in your current list before giving up a QC or tourniquet. I'm not a minimalist, though. Better to have and not need, than to need and not have. :twocents:
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Post by: Stein on March 18, 2015, 10:21:32 AM
At the end of the day, you are pretty limited to what you can do in the woods. Either it isn't bad enough that you can self rescue or you need to call in the cavalry. I would rather carry an EPIRB than the equivalent weight in stuff that really wouldn't get me out in a worst case scenario.
When hunting pumpkin patches, I do throw in some quick clot and a good compression bandage.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 18, 2015, 10:42:01 AM
Post by: aorams on March 18, 2015, 11:25:57 AM
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 18, 2015, 11:47:51 AM
Also, quick clot, compression bandage, gauze, band aids, ibuprofen, several Xanax and hydrocodone, scissors, mirror (for face or head cuts, signalling), lighter (sterilization), hemostat, neosporum, sutures, eye wash. I'm going to add the super glue.
Post by: danderson on March 18, 2015, 06:46:44 PM
OK, here's what my first aid kit will contain, Like I said I'm limited to 4 oz,
Benedryl, Aspirin, mole skin, bandages, large ones that can be cut to size, Tourniquet, Ibuprofen, neosporn, Pre-cut Leukotape strips, Antiseptic wipes, zinc oxide, Nitrite gloves, surgical blade, tweezers, super glue, surgical tape, elastic wrap, antacid, safety pins, Lanicane, iodine, Gauze, Immodium,
Any thing else needed like slings/Splints/ compression bandages can be improvised, I don't plan on carrying a complete first aid kit just enough to get by
Post by: IslandStorm62 on May 13, 2015, 10:10:59 AM
From the MIL KIT
Tourniquet
Quick Clot
Nasal Tube
Compressed Gauze
Trauma Wound Dressing
Off-The-Shelf
Self Adhesive Foam Bandage (This is the newer form of Ace Bandage. No Velcro or clips and latex free)
Nitrile Gloves
Antiseptic Wipes
Assorted Bandages (10 Pieces)
Couple of small gauze (2x2)
Tylenol
Only other piece I wish I had is a "14-16G Intravenous Cannula". I've never needed any of these, but I get my warm fuzzy knowing I have it. Just like the Emergency EDC, CCW, and your Kill Kit. Lots of stuff to carry everyday.
Post by: jasnt on May 13, 2015, 11:07:02 AM
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Post by: kentrek on May 13, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
:tup:
Post by: police women of America on May 13, 2015, 09:29:15 PM
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
Post by: Big6bull on May 14, 2015, 09:28:20 AM
One other not mentioned is candy that won't melt, for us guys having blood sugar levels that need att.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 14, 2015, 11:09:17 AM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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Post by: Knocker of rocks on May 14, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 14, 2015, 11:20:20 AM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
I think he's confused what a backpack hunt is. That's like 15 lbs in gear...
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Post by: police women of America on May 14, 2015, 09:22:09 PM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
I think he's confused what a backpack hunt is. That's like 15 lbs in gear...
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I know what a backpack hunt is. Although it sounds like a lot of things I have been hiking with a very small backpack and this is all super light. I bring all this when I go hiking it only weighs about 2 pounds at the most. P.S. its she not he :)
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 14, 2015, 09:27:49 PM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
I think he's confused what a backpack hunt is. That's like 15 lbs in gear...
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I know what a backpack hunt is. Although it sounds like a lot of things I have been hiking with a very small backpack and this is all super light. I bring all this when I go hiking it only weighs about 2 pounds at the most. P.S. its she not he :)
I apologize for the gender discrepancy.
So just to clarify because I feel many times people get confused, but what does "wilderness" mean to you?
Have you actually put those items Ina scale? Because I'm getting significantly higher then two pounds...The fact that you have a separate backpack for first aid says to me we aren't on the same wave length for hunting wilderness.
Not trying to be rude, as your emergency kit has value in other situations, but you can't be finding value in that stuff.
Ski mask and rope? Are we kidnapping someone?
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Post by: kentrek on May 14, 2015, 09:40:13 PM
other then the flares...those things are just heavy :)
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on May 14, 2015, 09:50:11 PM
I think she has a pretty good handle on things....i don't pack a ski mask but I neck gator is easily one of my favorite pieces of gear
other then the flares...those things are just heavy :)
Police,
Dump the flares, and go to about 15 ft of para cord. Is the knife and flashlight redundant? What about the flint? What's in your medical kit?
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Post by: Knocker of rocks on May 14, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: police women of America on May 15, 2015, 09:21:43 AM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
I think he's confused what a backpack hunt is. That's like 15 lbs in gear...
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I know what a backpack hunt is. Although it sounds like a lot of things I have been hiking with a very small backpack and this is all super light. I bring all this when I go hiking it only weighs about 2 pounds at the most. P.S. its she not he :)
I apologize for the gender discrepancy.
So just to clarify because I feel many times people get confused, but what does "wilderness" mean to you?
Have you actually put those items Ina scale? Because I'm getting significantly higher then two pounds...The fact that you have a separate backpack for first aid says to me we aren't on the same wave length for hunting wilderness.
Not trying to be rude, as your emergency kit has value in other situations, but you can't be finding value in that stuff.
Ski mask and rope? Are we kidnapping someone?
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to me wilderness is hiking at minimum 5 miles where no one but you and the person you came with are there. Me and my family do a lot of big hikes I have carried these items over 10 times. I have not actually put it on a scale but there is no way I would take it if it slowed me down. I do a lot of snowboarding and a ski mask comes in handy and sometimes its colder then you think and it can make hiking ALOT more easier.
And I should have clarified this earlier but I just noticed it. the rope I have is small it could probably fit in your hand but if you couldn't find your way back before dark it can be a lot easier to build a shelter or put your food up fare away from bears.
Post by: westsidehntr on May 15, 2015, 09:29:38 AM
I bought a $5 medical kit has bandages, sowing needle, gloves, medicine, ect.
I also bring a backpack with:
1. flares
2. waterproof flashlight
3. 45ft of climbing rope
4. flint
5. knife
6. extra shirt and sox
7. emergency blanket
8. ski mask (which can be really helpful!)
9. extra small medical kit in waterproof case.
that's what I always bring when I go snowboarding, hiking, hunting. its very light weight and in a emergency can save your life.
P.S. fishing line and a lure should also be added.
This thread is concerning wilderness first aid kits.
I'm guessing that doesn't come with you on a backpack hunt...
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I think so
I think he's confused what a backpack hunt is. That's like 15 lbs in gear...
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I know what a backpack hunt is. Although it sounds like a lot of things I have been hiking with a very small backpack and this is all super light. I bring all this when I go hiking it only weighs about 2 pounds at the most. P.S. its she not he :)
I apologize for the gender discrepancy.
So just to clarify because I feel many times people get confused, but what does "wilderness" mean to you?
Have you actually put those items Ina scale? Because I'm getting significantly higher then two pounds...The fact that you have a separate backpack for first aid says to me we aren't on the same wave length for hunting wilderness.
Not trying to be rude, as your emergency kit has value in other situations, but you can't be finding value in that stuff.
Ski mask and rope? Are we kidnapping someone?
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Geez, Silk lay off! Just cuz she can pack around more weight than you... :chuckle:
Post by: police women of America on May 15, 2015, 09:30:24 AM
actually the knife and flashlight are the things I use the most. My medical kit has everything you could need bandages, ibuprofen, gloves, sowing needle, ect. But it could fit in your hand and its very light. thanks for the advice :)I think she has a pretty good handle on things....i don't pack a ski mask but I neck gator is easily one of my favorite pieces of gear
other then the flares...those things are just heavy :)
Police,
Dump the flares, and go to about 15 ft of para cord. Is the knife and flashlight redundant? What about the flint? What's in your medical kit?
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Post by: police women of America on May 15, 2015, 09:30:57 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 15, 2015, 11:07:43 AM
my kit contains suunto compass, storm matches, bic, 3 zip ties, pills (aleve, advil pm, claritin), tape(duct, lueko), crazy glue, mylar blanket, potable aqua, 2 trioxane tablets, spare waist buckle, petzl e-lite, 25' 550 cord all in a kifaru KU medium pull out.
this kit is always in my pack, dayhunting, hiking or a week long backcountry hunt. total weight 13.75oz.
additional items not in this kit, but relevant to the topic would be zebralight headlamp, kershaw folding knife, another bic in my pocket, and longer trips i will throw in a spare lithium battery for my headlamp.
Post by: Hunter mike on May 15, 2015, 08:03:02 PM
Here's what I carry:
1) Benedryl (about 15-20) - as mentioned above, will do you better than an Epi-pen (should have both if you are known to have severe reactions IMO).
2) Ibuprofen (duh)
3) Immodium (new addition after last season :chuckle:, don't know why I didn't think of it sooner).
4) Bandaids
5) Transpore IV tape (about the only thing that sticks for a decent amount of time even when you sweat a bit)
6) Zip ties (can be first aid for you, your pack, or other gear. Will secure a bulky dressing or make a crude tourniquet with something bulkier/soft beneath)
7) Liquid bandage (could be super glue as well but liquid bandage eliminates need for neosporin if you get the disinfectant type)
8) More than adequate sleep/clothing system (and keep extra clothes with you! You're more likely to die of hypothermia/exposure than anything else you can help. I also carry a reflective emergency blanket).
9) Personal Locator Beacon (this covers the "everything else." 5oz. but makes my wife feel better and nice to know I don't have to lay out with a broken leg for 3 days if something happens the first day. I prefer the beacon over a SPOT or Inreach to preserve the wilderness spirit and not just sitting up there texting).
For me, it's more about knowing how to improvise with the stuff you're bringing anyways than carrying a lot of first aid specific stuff.
Post by: NWBREW on May 15, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: longwalker on May 15, 2015, 08:21:44 PM
i carry pain killers (perks and oxy) so if i brake something i can dope myself up enough to walk out on it if need be.
8oo mg ibuprofen for day to day aches and pains if needed
blood clot powder
duct tape
Imodium
benidril
mole skin
contact solution.
the whole kit weighs like 10 oz and fits in a small pull out. ive got para cord in other areas of my full kit so i don't count that. lets face it your not carrying a defibrillator around with you. if your gunna go out there your gunna go. its just part of the risk
Post by: dscubame on May 15, 2015, 08:22:25 PM
As a paramedic, I'll say there are things you can fix and things you can't in the back country (and mostly, things you can temporarily help but will need more treatment when you get out). Carry what you're comfortable with, but I would never have 2 lbs for just first aid. That said, I will have to be Macgyver for certain situations. Practice making a tournequet out of an old shirt, same with bulky dressings. You can have 6 oz of gauze or an extra pair of underwear - I know what I'd choose 3 days in :chuckle:
Here's what I carry:
1) Benedryl (about 15-20) - as mentioned above, will do you better than an Epi-pen (should have both if you are known to have severe reactions IMO).
2) Ibuprofen (duh)
3) Immodium (new addition after last season :chuckle:, don't know why I didn't think of it sooner).
4) Bandaids
5) Transpore IV tape (about the only thing that sticks for a decent amount of time even when you sweat a bit)
6) Zip ties (can be first aid for you, your pack, or other gear. Will secure a bulky dressing or make a crude tourniquet with something bulkier/soft beneath)
7) Liquid bandage (could be super glue as well but liquid bandage eliminates need for neosporin if you get the disinfectant type)
8) More than adequate sleep/clothing system (and keep extra clothes with you! You're more likely to die of hypothermia/exposure than anything else you can help. I also carry a reflective emergency blanket).
9) Personal Locator Beacon (this covers the "everything else." 5oz. but makes my wife feel better and nice to know I don't have to lay out with a broken leg for 3 days if something happens the first day. I prefer the beacon over a SPOT or Inreach to preserve the wilderness spirit and not just sitting up there texting).
For me, it's more about knowing how to improvise with the stuff you're bringing anyways than carrying a lot of first aid specific stuff.
Hunter Mike. With your background would you chime in with your thoughts on quick clot? I looked into it briefly at Cabelas the other day but it seemed bulky and on the heavy side so I wondered if there was a better option somewhere else. Now I am wondering if it is even necessary. Thanks in advance.
Post by: dscubame on May 15, 2015, 08:23:30 PM
you need to be realistic about what you can actually treat in a true wilderness. and honestly its not much. anything really really serious your not going to have the stuff or ability to treat anyway.
i carry pain killers (perks and oxy) so if i brake something i can dope myself up enough to walk out on it if need be.
8oo mg ibuprofen for day to day aches and pains if needed
blood clot powder
duct tape
Imodium
benidril
mole skin
contact solution.
the whole kit weighs like 10 oz and fits in a small pull out. ive got para cord in other areas of my full kit so i don't count that. lets face it your not carrying a defibrillator around with you. if your gunna go out there your gunna go. its just part of the risk
Where did you pick up the clot powder?
Post by: longwalker on May 15, 2015, 08:24:52 PM
Post by: dscubame on May 15, 2015, 08:29:05 PM
pretty sure sportsmans but i know you can get it on amazon. i have one of the sport packs (small vac packed). ive never used it but i hear it burns like hell
Cool thanks. Sportsman has the outdoor show in Spokane next Tuesday and I will take a look.
Post by: danderson on May 15, 2015, 09:41:12 PM
Post by: Hunter mike on May 16, 2015, 08:17:49 PM
As a paramedic, I'll say there are things you can fix and things you can't in the back country (and mostly, things you can temporarily help but will need more treatment when you get out). Carry what you're comfortable with, but I would never have 2 lbs for just first aid. That said, I will have to be Macgyver for certain situations. Practice making a tournequet out of an old shirt, same with bulky dressings. You can have 6 oz of gauze or an extra pair of underwear - I know what I'd choose 3 days in :chuckle:
Here's what I carry:
1) Benedryl (about 15-20) - as mentioned above, will do you better than an Epi-pen (should have both if you are known to have severe reactions IMO).
2) Ibuprofen (duh)
3) Immodium (new addition after last season :chuckle:, don't know why I didn't think of it sooner).
4) Bandaids
5) Transpore IV tape (about the only thing that sticks for a decent amount of time even when you sweat a bit)
6) Zip ties (can be first aid for you, your pack, or other gear. Will secure a bulky dressing or make a crude tourniquet with something bulkier/soft beneath)
7) Liquid bandage (could be super glue as well but liquid bandage eliminates need for neosporin if you get the disinfectant type)
8) More than adequate sleep/clothing system (and keep extra clothes with you! You're more likely to die of hypothermia/exposure than anything else you can help. I also carry a reflective emergency blanket).
9) Personal Locator Beacon (this covers the "everything else." 5oz. but makes my wife feel better and nice to know I don't have to lay out with a broken leg for 3 days if something happens the first day. I prefer the beacon over a SPOT or Inreach to preserve the wilderness spirit and not just sitting up there texting).
For me, it's more about knowing how to improvise with the stuff you're bringing anyways than carrying a lot of first aid specific stuff.
Hunter Mike. With your background would you chime in with your thoughts on quick clot? I looked into it briefly at Cabelas the other day but it seemed bulky and on the heavy side so I wondered if there was a better option somewhere else. Now I am wondering if it is even necessary. Thanks in advance.
Honestly, I've never actually used the stuff. We carry it in our tactical kits (for mass shooting type events), but on day to day calls it's just standard guaze, direct pressure, and hope for the best. I haven't had a bleed yet (other than internal of course) that I can't stop or at least significantly slow, but I've definitely had to use pressure and extra sets of hands in ways that would probably not work in the backcountry. I've heard good things about it though and the military wouldn't be carrying it unless it was a potential life saver.
I really look at things from the viewpoint of what's most likely to happen. I'm not planning on getting shot - anything's possible when hunting, but I kind of figure I'm probably screwed in that situation, but that's one where quick clot could make a difference. Falls are a big one - again, could be any type of injury from that but you're possibly just screwed there as well (internal bleeding, major head injury, broken bones). As I said before, exposure and hypothermia is a big one as well - I keep enough gear on me at any time away from camp to survive if I get injured or lost (may not be comfortable, but I'll make it).
Post by: ctwiggs1 on May 28, 2015, 03:38:16 PM
Here are my thoughts:
Quikclot is basically the cats meow. The "Tea Bag" and "Combat Gauze" are both great options, but I prefer combat gauze because it's MUCH simpler to train someone to use it.
I highly recommend you train with bandages (you can pretend one is quikclot, don't waste that stuff on training) and also train with tourniquets. Checks distal pulses and make sure you're actually losing the heartbeat. If you can still feel a heartbeat, the tourniquet isn't working which means that if this was real, you're still dying. The number one issue that I saw with inexperienced people applying tourniquets was not tightening them enough. If it doesn't hurt, I guarantee it's not tight enough.
Tourniquets are the next best thing. No, you won't lose your limb because a tourniquet was on it.
I love tourniquets because it basically puts the injury on pause. If you have a massive femoral bleed or something of that nature, and you can cut off the blood supply with a tourniquet, you essentially just bought yourself time to start thinking about more care options/evac. I'm not a big fan of improvised unless you've really trained on making them. Why improvise when you can buy a CAT for $20?
Going anywhere in the woods without benedryl is ludicrous. Don't worry if you forget it - you can stop at any gas station on the way and pay 10x as much. Even if you've never had an allergic reaction to anything, you never know when it'll start or when you'll randomly come across someone who is in need.
Ibuprofen is something I fell in love with during some of our NCO competitions - I would take it during long marches (hikes) all the time. Not recommended for that use but man did it work ;-).
As others have said, it's easy to go overboard. One thing I always keep in the back of my mind - there is NO WAY I'll be able to keep an open wound sterile or even very clean in the woods. Chances are my hands are muddy, the injury is already dirty from the environment or the object that caused the injury, etc. I honestly just don't worry about infection in the woods. If the injury is so bad that you need to go to the hospital, focus on life threatening bleeding and airway issues before worrying about keeping it clean. The hospital can clean it up and will put you on antibiotics anyways. Shoot, I have personally packed dirt to put compression on a wound and it helped out a lot! Not saying you should do that.... Just sayin'
More than anything I try to tell people to look at first aid as if it's just like any other skill while hunting - you will work on calling during the summer, hiking all year to stay in shape, you'll practice shooting, you'll do all these things to make sure you're good to go for your hunt. Why not also spend some time training on first aid?
Sorry, I know this is a kind of unorganized message but I thought I'd pitch in while taking a few moments from work ;-)
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