Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 15, 2015, 09:46:57 AM
Have you stood up in one. You have to navigate around a pole. The only standing place is in the middle and it slowly slants to a place that is unusable.
Am I looking at this all wrong?
Please enlighten me
Post by: Ccortez on March 15, 2015, 09:52:19 AM
I will admit that at first I was caught up in this fascination of the trend of these tents. The longer I look at them I am trying to understand why they are so popular now.
Have you stood up in one. You have to navigate around a pole. The only standing place is in the middle and it slowly slants to a place that is unusable.
Am I looking at this all wrong?
Please enlighten me
I would say something about the pole but I will just keep my mouth shut :chuckle:
Post by: ghosthunter on March 15, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
Not for me.
All depends on your needs. He just sleeps in it. We have a seperate cook shack. So you get up get dressed walk out.
Post by: hogslayer on March 15, 2015, 10:21:57 AM
Post by: Miles on March 15, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
You don't always need a pole in the middle. My SL-5 has a loop in the top and it's as easy as putting a rope through and securing it.
Post by: whitey on March 15, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
Post by: hogslayer on March 15, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 15, 2015, 03:10:54 PM
Golite SL-5 is 2 lbs 4 oz (without the nest) and you get a 9.5' by 9.5' foot print. Even on a solo trip that's a ton of room for a mere 2lbs. We've slept 3 comfortably and you could do one more without all the gear if you had to. It's easy to sit up and move around in the morning while getting ready as well. No shaking out the tent or worrying about mud/dirt/pine needles when you have to pack up. Just roll the thing up and stuff it in your pack.I have heard this. But as stated almost impossible to get a go lite now a days.
You don't always need a pole in the middle. My SL-5 has a loop in the top and it's as easy as putting a rope through and securing it.
I am not made of money and this might work during hunting situations but doubt the wife would sleep in a floorless tent in the summer with bugs
Post by: jackelope on March 15, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
I had an SL3. It wasn't big enough for me because I'm 6'4" but when you consider the space that a SL type shelter has compared to a traditional 2 person freestanding tent, there's no comparison. The SL5 is a lightweight palace. Plus you can sew in a stove jack and put a small stove inside if you want. I think in a short time, those Golite shelters will come down in price a little. They spiked recently for sure.
Bearpaw wilderness designs will build a floor/bug nest for probably about anything you could come up with.
Post by: 7mag. on March 15, 2015, 05:14:16 PM
Post by: whacker1 on March 15, 2015, 05:26:52 PM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 15, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
I am far from hardcore but still don't see how people are as soft as they are today. I hunted with a few guys that remember hunting goats and sheep with their dads and granddads when comfort was semi-dry, semi-warm, and fresh meat on a smoky fire. There is a lot to be said about the new gear (which I am a gear geek for) but sometimes people go too far.
I could probably get more off thread but I wont.
Long rant short, read the first two sentences.
Post by: huntnnw on March 15, 2015, 09:51:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 15, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
If you are not getting farther off the road to camp than you can throw a full duffle then the traditional wall tent is for you. If you want space and a few miles on your boots before you camp then a tipi has a lot to offer. I still consider that fairly plush and pansy like, I don't understand why people insist on sleeping in a plush, climate controlled environment when they go out to "rough it". I have come to the conclusion most people (hunters included) are wimps and pansies. Carrying a weeks worth of (comfortable) hunting camp on your back in SE Alaska is not difficult. I have to laugh when people debate the weight of a tent stove, why do you need that? In 95% of hunting situations there is 0 (zero) need for a stove other than to cook and that is dubious. In at least 30% of hunting situations a tent is totally superfluous, it's not cold, it's not wet, it's not windy, it's not buggy.
You've apparently not been in the Cascades high country in September and October.
Post by: hogslayer on March 16, 2015, 07:34:03 AM
Post by: TheHunt on March 16, 2015, 08:46:38 AM
He also had a nest which was 1/2 of the floor space. That nest kept us dry and clean. If I was to get one, I would get a 1/2 size nest with the waterproof floor tub. The titanium stove was crazy light and putting it together was very interesting. I would only do it with some type of gloves on.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on March 17, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
If you are not getting farther off the road to camp than you can throw a full duffle then the traditional wall tent is for you. If you want space and a few miles on your boots before you camp then a tipi has a lot to offer. I still consider that fairly plush and pansy like, I don't understand why people insist on sleeping in a plush, climate controlled environment when they go out to "rough it". I have come to the conclusion most people (hunters included) are wimps and pansies. Carrying a weeks worth of (comfortable) hunting camp on your back in SE Alaska is not difficult. I have to laugh when people debate the weight of a tent stove, why do you need that? In 95% of hunting situations there is 0 (zero) need for a stove other than to cook and that is dubious. In at least 30% of hunting situations a tent is totally superfluous, it's not cold, it's not wet, it's not windy, it's not buggy.
You've apparently not been in the Cascades high country in September and October.
LOL! I spent weeks in Oct, Nov, and Dec in SE Alaska in the field where the Cascades look downright balmy. Inches of rain daily and an average of 38 degrees will separate the men from the boys and we never had a stove and though I would have enjoyed one I would not have enjoyed packing it in. We had a few cabins we based out of but spike camps were tent, tarp, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag.
Post by: syoungs on March 17, 2015, 02:53:16 AM
If you are not getting farther off the road to camp than you can throw a full duffle then the traditional wall tent is for you. If you want space and a few miles on your boots before you camp then a tipi has a lot to offer. I still consider that fairly plush and pansy like, I don't understand why people insist on sleeping in a plush, climate controlled environment when they go out to "rough it". I have come to the conclusion most people (hunters included) are wimps and pansies. Carrying a weeks worth of (comfortable) hunting camp on your back in SE Alaska is not difficult. I have to laugh when people debate the weight of a tent stove, why do you need that? In 95% of hunting situations there is 0 (zero) need for a stove other than to cook and that is dubious. In at least 30% of hunting situations a tent is totally superfluous, it's not cold, it's not wet, it's not windy, it's not buggy.
You've apparently not been in the Cascades high country in September and October.
LOL! I spent weeks in Oct, Nov, and Dec in SE Alaska in the field where the Cascades look downright balmy. Inches of rain daily and an average of 38 degrees will separate the men from the boys and we never had a stove and though I would have enjoyed one I would not have enjoyed packing it in. We had a few cabins we based out of but spike camps were tent, tarp, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag.
Next can you tell us a story about how you taught chuck Norris to be so tough?
fact is, I would assume being as tough as you are, the extra 4-6# of proper shelter and stove wouldn't have bothered you at all! :dunno:
Post by: huntnnw on March 17, 2015, 05:06:12 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2015, 06:33:53 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2015, 09:10:20 AM
If you are not getting farther off the road to camp than you can throw a full duffle then the traditional wall tent is for you. If you want space and a few miles on your boots before you camp then a tipi has a lot to offer. I still consider that fairly plush and pansy like, I don't understand why people insist on sleeping in a plush, climate controlled environment when they go out to "rough it". I have come to the conclusion most people (hunters included) are wimps and pansies. Carrying a weeks worth of (comfortable) hunting camp on your back in SE Alaska is not difficult. I have to laugh when people debate the weight of a tent stove, why do you need that? In 95% of hunting situations there is 0 (zero) need for a stove other than to cook and that is dubious. In at least 30% of hunting situations a tent is totally superfluous, it's not cold, it's not wet, it's not windy, it's not buggy.
You've apparently not been in the Cascades high country in September and October.
LOL! I spent weeks in Oct, Nov, and Dec in SE Alaska in the field where the Cascades look downright balmy. Inches of rain daily and an average of 38 degrees will separate the men from the boys and we never had a stove and though I would have enjoyed one I would not have enjoyed packing it in. We had a few cabins we based out of but spike camps were tent, tarp, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag.
What if..........
I'm not supporting the "need" for a stove at all. I don't own one, mostly because I can't justify the "need" for one versus the cost...but I'm a huge supporter of surviving and doing what I can to be mostly comfortable. It's not a survival contest. It's a hunting trip.
Some of the ideas you've mentioned are almost unsafe. Ever heard of hypothermia?
Post by: Colville on March 17, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
Anyhow. Tipi’s and stoves are what they are, tools. They’ll be very good for certain work and very poor for others. Still confused at the damning of smaller tipis because you can only stand at the pole. Considering you can, in fact, stand at the pole. Whereas, in non tipi’s you can stand at the nowhere. Anyhow you’ll like tipis if:
You’ve done floorless and get it.
You don’t want to move your camp daily.
If you’re not solo at great distance.
If you’re a modest distance with access to good wood and it will be very cold or very wet.
Are hiking a long ways but have 3 or more guys and the weight penalty is now diminished.
If you are car camping but the road system you use has crap for decent pull outs for a wall tent set up, or a great spot is at some distance to the road.
Want a large set up that takes a miniscule fraction of the weight and space of a wall tent camp.
Horse hunt and can occupy a great camp at the cost of 20 Lbs all in for a group of 6.
Won’t be able to keep things dry in a cold camp no matter how hard you try.
Find basking in the glow of a red stove rewarding at any weight penalty.
I don’t use them on the high hunt for a couple reasons. Weight penalty. Nothing to burn way up there. Frequent fire restrictions. If weight’s not an issue, then a base camp tipi for multiple guys with bivi-tarp set ups for where you find yourself is great. Experience breeds the decision making on things like this. Absent experience, the advice of others is a poor substitute. If you can borrow a tipi and stove, do so before buying one.
Post by: syoungs on March 17, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Post by: 7mag. on March 17, 2015, 09:19:57 PM
Hunting goals are wildly divergent. Some are not satisfied if they can’t do what some mule skinner from 100 years ago did, with his gear set. Why stop there? Why not what Grog would have done 7500 years ago? Spears and animal furs for clothes, cave? It’s as logical a decision as avoiding other modern gear because if you use it you might catch the gay. I don’t know what Grog’s word for weak sister would have been, but he’d have called me that.
Anyhow. Tipi’s and stoves are what they are, tools. They’ll be very good for certain work and very poor for others. Still confused at the damning of smaller tipis because you can only stand at the pole. Considering you can, in fact, stand at the pole. Whereas, in non tipi’s you can stand at the nowhere. Anyhow you’ll like tipis if:
You’ve done floorless and get it.
You don’t want to move your camp daily.
If you’re not solo at great distance.
If you’re a modest distance with access to good wood and it will be very cold or very wet.
Are hiking a long ways but have 3 or more guys and the weight penalty is now diminished.
If you are car camping but the road system you use has crap for decent pull outs for a wall tent set up, or a great spot is at some distance to the road.
Want a large set up that takes a miniscule fraction of the weight and space of a wall tent camp.
Horse hunt and can occupy a great camp at the cost of 20 Lbs all in for a group of 6.
Won’t be able to keep things dry in a cold camp no matter how hard you try.
Find basking in the glow of a red stove rewarding at any weight penalty.
I don’t use them on the high hunt for a couple reasons. Weight penalty. Nothing to burn way up there. Frequent fire restrictions. If weight’s not an issue, then a base camp tipi for multiple guys with bivi-tarp set ups for where you find yourself is great. Experience breeds the decision making on things like this. Absent experience, the advice of others is a poor substitute. If you can borrow a tipi and stove, do so before buying one.
Might the best post I've read in a while. It made me laugh, and I agree.
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 18, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
im still up in the air about tipi's, i really like 'mids for the space to weight ratio they provide.
Post by: WaltAlpine on March 18, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
And it weighs almost nothing.
Post by: Okanagan on March 18, 2015, 07:15:02 PM
For the past 35 years I have backpack hunted with a minimal homemade tarp and a fair amount of the time solo without a sleeping bag.
However, in my dotage and following two blizzard & cold backpack hunts with sons and grandsons where I did not hunt but merely kept camp--- I went out and bought a Seek Outside 6 man tipi, intended for three people. Have used it on one multi-day trip in -25 F temps, with two of us sleeping in it.
1. No center pole needed. You can eliminate the pole in several ways. Tie it up to an overhanging limb or extended pole and suspend the tipi. Or make a tripod of poles larger than the tipi and suspend it from the center with sides and bottom tied out to the poles.
2. No stakes needed: Skip the stakes by tying to logs and rocks (which we had to do with hard frozen ground).
3. Need more head room? Pitch it higher. I pitch mine high enough to let the 6" sod skirt become a hanging low side wall, which makes the edges much more useable. I don't plan to ever use it when mosquitoes are a problem but if so will use my REI mosquito net as I do now whether under a minimal tarp or not.
I only plan to use this in late Fall storm condition multi-person backpacking, or in car camping when I want more space. Solo, I take a minimal tarp.
I have built two stoves and am still learning about using them. My first one was too small for that much space in -25 weather. But it felt wonderful to come into the tipi from -25!
Post by: dreamunelk on March 18, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Tagging because I use a tube tent on the high hunt because I can't decide what system to use. A tube tent costs 8 dollars and sometimes I can even use it more than one year!
And it weighs almost nothing.
Tube tents :tup: That brings many memories of misadventures of my youth in the North Cascades :chuckle:
Post by: WaltAlpine on March 18, 2015, 07:33:10 PM
I now remember learning most of what I know about the outdoors starting at 14. I spent summers in Canada in lots of rain building shelters out of 6 mil plastic 8 miles deep on the first night.
Bugs, wet, cold etc was just part of what it was all about.
That's why a tube tent seems so cool to me I guess
Post by: actionshooter on March 18, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
Hunting goals are wildly divergent. Some are not satisfied if they can’t do what some mule skinner from 100 years ago did, with his gear set. Why stop there? Why not what Grog would have done 7500 years ago? Spears and animal furs for clothes, cave? It’s as logical a decision as avoiding other modern gear because if you use it you might catch the gay. I don’t know what Grog’s word for weak sister would have been, but he’d have called me that.
Anyhow. Tipi’s and stoves are what they are, tools. They’ll be very good for certain work and very poor for others. Still confused at the damning of smaller tipis because you can only stand at the pole. Considering you can, in fact, stand at the pole. Whereas, in non tipi’s you can stand at the nowhere. Anyhow you’ll like tipis if:
You’ve done floorless and get it.
You don’t want to move your camp daily.
If you’re not solo at great distance.
If you’re a modest distance with access to good wood and it will be very cold or very wet.
Are hiking a long ways but have 3 or more guys and the weight penalty is now diminished.
If you are car camping but the road system you use has crap for decent pull outs for a wall tent set up, or a great spot is at some distance to the road.
Want a large set up that takes a miniscule fraction of the weight and space of a wall tent camp.
Horse hunt and can occupy a great camp at the cost of 20 Lbs all in for a group of 6.
Won’t be able to keep things dry in a cold camp no matter how hard you try.
Find basking in the glow of a red stove rewarding at any weight penalty.
I don’t use them on the high hunt for a couple reasons. Weight penalty. Nothing to burn way up there. Frequent fire restrictions. If weight’s not an issue, then a base camp tipi for multiple guys with bivi-tarp set ups for where you find yourself is great. Experience breeds the decision making on things like this. Absent experience, the advice of others is a poor substitute. If you can borrow a tipi and stove, do so before buying one.
Excellent post!
Tipi's have there place, they are definitely not the "do everything" tent. One of the worst mistakes I have made was using a floorless tipi, without a liner on gravel bars for 2-1/2 weeks while float hunting a river. Worst condensation I have ever seen.
But in the Idaho high country, they are awesome.
Post by: dscubame on March 18, 2015, 09:11:22 PM
Golite SL-5 is 2 lbs 4 oz (without the nest) and you get a 9.5' by 9.5' foot print. Even on a solo trip that's a ton of room for a mere 2lbs. We've slept 3 comfortably and you could do one more without all the gear if you had to. It's easy to sit up and move around in the morning while getting ready as well. No shaking out the tent or worrying about mud/dirt/pine needles when you have to pack up. Just roll the thing up and stuff it in your pack.
You don't always need a pole in the middle. My SL-5 has a loop in the top and it's as easy as putting a rope through and securing it.
I am looking to buy a SL5 if anyone has any leads on one....
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 18, 2015, 09:21:15 PM
My Cabelas Outback lodge is awesome.
:yeah:
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 19, 2015, 08:11:31 AM
I am looking to buy a SL5 if anyone has any leads on one....the new seekoutside cimmaron appears to be everything the sl5 was and better
Post by: whacker1 on March 19, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
I am looking to buy a SL5 if anyone has any leads on one....the new seekoutside cimmaron appears to be everything the sl5 was and better
Thank you for those that have recommended the Seek outside Cimmaron. I am exploring the Cimmaron & Beyond Timberline 2 most likely with the BT 2 nest. Both would give dual entrance so that you aren't climbing over the hunting partner to go take a whizz. other than height and slightly different foot prints, would anyone like to compare other differences that I may have overlooked between these 2?
Feel free to compare to the SL5 as a used SL5 is still the preference.
I like the nest and base set up better on the SL5, but I think these two options via Seek outside are probably built at a higher level and should last longer.
Post by: fillthefreezer on March 19, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
BT is more akin to the sl3 imo. awkward for taller guys or 2 people. i would think great for solo, under 6'. shuck wind better than almost anything.
sl5 tie down loops are the best, but easily accomplished with some cord and a tautline hitch.