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Title: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Anybody want to share some intel on where to knock down some big black dogs? I have a new rifle being built and an ID wolf would be a perfect load development species :) Feel free to PM if not wanting to publicize the area.

Logan
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: headshot5 on March 19, 2015, 11:18:37 AM
What are the specs for the rifle you are building? 
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 12:16:06 PM
- 7 Dakota shooting 190gr Matrix VLDs
- Defiance Deviant action
- Shillen trigger
- McMillan A3 GAP molded camo
- HS Precision DBM
- Benchmark #6 1:9" fluted with a Muscle Brake
- FDE cerakote on all metal
- Steiner T5Xi glass

Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 19, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
As soon as my friend is done building his, I'd love to join you.

6.5 Grendel 123 gr A-MAX
Black Hole SPR 20" 1:8" twist/muzzle break
Rock River 2-stage trigger
Steiner GS3 2-10x42 glass
All Dark Earth Fortis hand guards, Magpul pistol and butt stock (adj. cheek and stock)
All metal flat blk
Nickel boron bolt carrier
Harris 9-13" w/ locking positions
Palmetto lower
Upper???

He's getting very excited to get his gun, believe me.  :tup: It's being built specifically for predator hunting.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: hirshey on March 19, 2015, 12:32:02 PM
I'd start off with emailing the IDFG regional biologists and talk to some local sporting goods stores.. And the state publishes a wolf pack map every year... That's where I started and I've yet to knock one down, but have had my share of encounters already.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: _TONY_ on March 19, 2015, 12:54:27 PM
Anybody want to share some intel on where to knock down some big black dogs? I have a new rifle being built and an ID wolf would be a perfect load development species :) Feel free to PM if not wanting to publicize the area.

Logan

Dibs on using your .338!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 01:00:52 PM
I'd start off with emailing the IDFG regional biologists and talk to some local sporting goods stores.. And the state publishes a wolf pack map every year... That's where I started and I've yet to knock one down, but have had my share of encounters already.

I've read up and made some calls to bio's regarding the wolves. Unfortunately it doesn't sound as easy as shooting fish out of a barrel. And most encounters seem to be when people aren't able to shoot them for some reason  :bash:
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 01:01:14 PM
Anybody want to share some intel on where to knock down some big black dogs? I have a new rifle being built and an ID wolf would be a perfect load development species :) Feel free to PM if not wanting to publicize the area.

Logan

Dibs on using your .338!

She's a goner!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 19, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
Good luck in finding one on purpose. I've been there 6 times, with NO LUCK...I've spent a lot of money trying to get one, so I'll only tell you that the Panhandle is where the most are killed every year.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: bearpaw on March 19, 2015, 01:10:53 PM
I would review pack areas on the Idaho wolf map. A buddy killed one east of Lewiston, on another hunt he got 4 more wolves the same day, he snowmobiled back in the Salmon area. Lots of guys killing wolves all over the panhandle and central Idaho. Early in the season I know guys are getting into wolves by hiking away from the main roads up high on open ridges or to mountain meadows. If hunting late winter, I think the best opportunity will be by snowmobiling back into winter range that is beyond reach of 4x4 vehicles and most hunters.

Try to avoid shooting a collared wolf, it's important for IDFG to keep collared wolves out there so they can verify wolf packs.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: stromdiddily on March 19, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Know some people that hunted wolves in MI the one year it was legalized. Thousand-ish tags to fill a 22 wolf harvest quota...and they could bait. Certainly not a slam dunk
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
Bearpaw, that was plan. Get up high and glass. Then engage from any distance within 1200 yards.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 19, 2015, 01:19:46 PM
St Joe out of Avery. You can call Sheffy's in Avery, to get a snow report.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 19, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
I'd like a wolf headdress sooner then later so please post updates for those of us considering yet to go to Idaho for a hunt. :tup:
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 19, 2015, 01:52:50 PM
I think hunting a wolf in Idaho and wanting to know the honey holes, or really good areas, is really hard to get someone tell you a spot. I started going over there 3 years ago and I found out my info from the Idaho people. They HATE wolves, all of them do. I've got info from the grocery checkout gals, the game wardens, Doctors, you name it. I've also joined wolf hunting groups on Facebook and really got good info there. They are very, very leery of outsiders asking questions. You have to be acknowledged and be known by others who know you. It took me awhile, but that's the deal.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: bearpaw on March 19, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
I think hunting a wolf in Idaho and wanting to know the honey holes, or really good areas, is really hard to get someone tell you a spot. I started going over there 3 years ago and I found out my info from the Idaho people. They HATE wolves, all of them do. I've got info from the grocery checkout gals, the game wardens, Doctors, you name it. I've also joined wolf hunting groups on Facebook and really got good info there. They are very, very leery of outsiders asking questions. You have to be acknowledged and be known by others who know you. It took me awhile, but that's the deal.

 :yeah:  Talk to anyone you can in the area. Stop by the local bar if needed. Call the regional office of IDFG, ask for the name and number of the wardens and bio in the area you want to hunt. Explain that you need some help, I have found most IDFG people to be very helpful.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 19, 2015, 02:15:50 PM
Call the local loggers and they will tell you were they have been seeing sign! Just like elk hunting go find sign cause that's were they are hanging! If there's no fresh sign move to a new drainage!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 02:22:36 PM
Is calling with a foxpro legal and/or even an effective way to hunt them? Or just spot and stalk.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 19, 2015, 02:24:48 PM
I was told they're having pups now and are very protective and will come to calls to protect their pups. Is that right, since I don't know ?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2015, 02:26:39 PM
Is calling with a foxpro legal and/or even an effective way to hunt them? Or just spot and stalk.

Yes legal, not sure on effectiveness.
I assume with how territorial they are, they'd probably come hard to some coyote chatter.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 19, 2015, 02:33:59 PM
Go on Facebook and find Northwestwolfsightings.org and join them. I'll give them the ok to let you join if they ask. A Doctor in Orofino owns the website and I know him.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 19, 2015, 06:16:32 PM
Go on Facebook and find Northwestwolfsightings.org and join them. I'll give them the ok to let you join if they ask. A Doctor in Orofino owns the website and I know him.

Thanks. Will do. How have you been trying to hunt them? Is the strategy the hard part or finding them?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on March 19, 2015, 06:34:25 PM
Is calling with a foxpro legal and/or even an effective way to hunt them? Or just spot and stalk.

I think there was a post on here about calling wolves.  He said he would drive the high roads at night howling into the different canyons and such and after locating them mark the gps and move in on them silent before daylight.  He explained it like elk hunting the rut.  Where we deer hunt in Idaho there are a lot of them.  Howling 150 yards from camp last year.  Our group has only seen one and no shots.  It would be nice to knock one of them down.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 19, 2015, 06:41:29 PM
You could drag a rag soaked in coyote urine.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2015, 06:43:14 PM
2 years ago when we were hunting elk in Idaho, the outfitter across the river was playing a damn FoxPro of howling wolves.  ON ELK OPENING DAY, we were so f'n pissed I wanted to swim across the river and have a talk.  How damn stupid to call in wolves on the opening day (Oct. 10)th of rifle season.  I would think the best time to call would be in the winter?  My point is, maybe using a fox pro with howling wolves does call them in?  Good luck, I hope you kill more than you tell us!!!!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 19, 2015, 07:30:32 PM
Why are you pissed? It's open for wolf and calling is legal? I don't understand this mentality? Disappointing by ruining your hunt but he has just as much right as you do?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2015, 07:32:11 PM
Why are you pissed? It's open for wolf and calling is legal? I don't understand this mentality? Disappointing by ruining your hunt but he has just as much right as you do?

Seems pretty weird that an outfitter would be wolf howling on the opening day of elk season.  I'd think if anyone knew better it'd be an outfitter.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 19, 2015, 07:36:39 PM
Why are you pissed? It's open for wolf and calling is legal? I don't understand this mentality? Disappointing by ruining your hunt but he has just as much right as you do?

Seems pretty weird that an outfitter would be wolf howling on the opening day of elk season.  I'd think if anyone knew better it'd be an outfitter.
sounds more like something greenies would do
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 19, 2015, 07:38:05 PM
Why? Do elk hunters have priority over wolf hunters or other hunters? I didn't get the the memo that elk hunters have more rights than other user groups?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jackelope on March 19, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
Why? Do elk hunters have priority over wolf hunters or other hunters? I didn't get the the memo that elk hunters have more rights than other user groups?

I guess I work off the premise of being courteous to others around me whenever possible. Kinda sounds to me like someone was trying to run off the hunting competition.

Why are you pissed? It's open for wolf and calling is legal? I don't understand this mentality? Disappointing by ruining your hunt but he has just as much right as you do?

Seems pretty weird that an outfitter would be wolf howling on the opening day of elk season.  I'd think if anyone knew better it'd be an outfitter.
sounds more like something greenies would do

Could be that too.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 19, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
Was it a wolf specific outfitter?  I would think an outfitter would more likely be hired by elk hunters.  Does seem kind of odd.  I don't think they get priority.  Deal with similar in WA if you are grouse/bear hunting during archery elk--guys get upset.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2015, 07:45:01 PM
My point is, don't screw the elk season up for 99% of the guys that are hunting for elk, there are better dates to call in wolves.  I'm all for the rights of other hunters, I'm completely aware he is legal and has the right, it's just ignorant to do it on the elk opener.  As an outfitter he should know better, I guess he didn't have any elk hunters that year???
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Yes if it's someone specifically trying to ruin someone's hunt then I have issues with that, but if its a legit hunter than oh well that's life! Sorry but I don't feel that way! If its grouse/bear or wolf season I hunt! If the seasons overlap that's just part of hunting public land!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: trophyhunt on March 19, 2015, 07:59:10 PM
It's fine we disagree, I was happy this year he didn't do it.  And what do you know, they killed an elk. In fact, not sure if it was because he wasn't calling last year but my hunting partner also killed a bull in the same area they did. No elk were killed in the area the year they used the wolf call. 
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 19, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
Lol! I'm not disagreeing that someone wolf calling in your area really hurts your chances at being successful, I just don't understand why you get upset that someone else is also trying to be successful just with a different species! Frustrated because of all the work to elk hunt there but not pissed at a different user group!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 20, 2015, 05:06:24 AM
Public land hunting has drawbacks. Sometimes The other people don't do exactly what you need them to. I may be less than thrilled when someone is shooting while I am at archery hunting, but that's the way it goes.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 20, 2015, 08:54:26 AM
Exactly! I just see this a lot! We have several run ins with elk hunters when hound hunting in Idaho, and a good friend of mine even had a confrontation years ago that ended up with him killing a guy! I just don't like the competitive element in hunting! Other sports yes but hunting is about you, the experience, and the animal, there is a lot of variables, other hunters are one but I don't harbor bad feelings about another sportsmen also doing it!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jackelope on March 20, 2015, 08:56:07 AM
Exactly! I just see this a lot! We have several run ins with elk hunters when hound hunting in Idaho, and a good friend of mine even had a confrontation years ago that ended up with him killing a guy! I just don't like the competitive element in hunting! Other sports yes but hunting is about you, the experience, and the animal, there is a lot of variables, other hunters are one but I don't harbor bad feelings about another sportsmen also doing it!

Wow...
Can't imagine what sort of confrontation over hunting is worth killing a guy over unless it was some sort of self defense thing.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 20, 2015, 09:01:35 AM
Yes it ended up self defense but he ended up quitting hunting because of it! All because someone was upset about their hunt being ruined!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 20, 2015, 09:14:51 AM
I see confrontation far more during goose season on sparse public hunting land where people come in after first light and start setting up a spread 100 yards away from someone who's been there since 4 AM.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 20, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
From what I know they are very territorial. They do not like other k9's in there turf. I would use other wolf vocals and coyote howls to try and call them. Most of the hunts I have seen on tv or the net use wolf vocals. I do know they love to kill coyotes so I don't see how that wouldn't work.

There was some talk about FoxPro recording a few hound sounds. Wolves love to kill hound dogs "sadly" when ever they get the chance. Not sure if they ever did it but a pack of baying hound dogs blasting on the FoxPro would probably put a few on your lap.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 20, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
They used to! But have kinda got smart about charging in on a hounds treeing! Most hounds killed now they are running and wolves are careful about killing em!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 20, 2015, 09:48:25 AM
I know they are dang smart critters. In some area's without much hound hunting I think it might work a little better because they might not have been educated. A guy could also probably get a sound clip of a hound running scent and striking.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: cougarbart on March 20, 2015, 09:52:13 AM
Ya I bet it would be more effective deep in frank church wilderness or roadless areas! Deep Lolo zone!
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jasnt on March 22, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
Tagging. Glad it got back on subject
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: Dan-o on March 22, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Exactly! I just see this a lot! We have several run ins with elk hunters when hound hunting in Idaho, and a good friend of mine even had a confrontation years ago that ended up with him killing a guy! I just don't like the competitive element in hunting! Other sports yes but hunting is about you, the experience, and the animal, there is a lot of variables, other hunters are one but I don't harbor bad feelings about another sportsmen also doing it!

Wow...
Can't imagine what sort of confrontation over hunting is worth killing a guy over unless it was some sort of self defense thing.

Hard to imagine, but......   Many years ago (I was maybe early 20's and was not present but dad told me), my dad shot a deer.   He walked up to it, tagged it and started to clean it when he was confronted by three "Hunters" who told him the deer was theirs.

Dad absolutely felt threatened.......   and he never hunted again.

All for a stupid deer.

Sorry....   thread jack over.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: AspenBud on March 24, 2015, 09:20:42 AM
Was it a wolf specific outfitter?  I would think an outfitter would more likely be hired by elk hunters.  Does seem kind of odd.  I don't think they get priority.  Deal with similar in WA if you are grouse/bear hunting during archery elk--guys get upset.

I had a guy roll up to an area where I was parked on opening day of grouse. I had the dog out, was getting my vest on, and ready to go. He actually tried to remind me that it was opening day of archery in an attempt to get me to leave so he could hunt the deer he had seen earlier in the day.

I didn't leave, I was there first, and I only get so many days to hunt my game of choice too.

Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: idaho guy on March 24, 2015, 12:08:23 PM
Exactly! I just see this a lot! We have several run ins with elk hunters when hound hunting in Idaho, and a good friend of mine even had a confrontation years ago that ended up with him killing a guy! I just don't like the competitive element in hunting! Other sports yes but hunting is about you, the experience, and the animal, there is a lot of variables, other hunters are one but I don't harbor bad feelings about another sportsmen also doing it!



I agree with you. I archery hunt elk but also hound hunt bears. Its public land and you gotta work around other guys legally hunting -part of hunting. I dont think hounds necessarily ruin an elk hunt for an archer anyways. I have had dogs run through an area and shut down bugling elk but if the dogs pass through the elk fired up shortly after most of the time not always. Op pm me and I will share any wolf intel I have. I dont know of anyone in Idaho that wont help you kill wolves. I will say generally Indepence creek area-DONT overdo the fox pro please I think guys blaring wolf dog etc from roads  has really educated wolves. wolf, coyote calls work- i have had them come in too dying rabbit combined with wolf and even elk calls when i was trying to call elk not wolves! good luck     
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: Huntin Hounds on March 24, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
If your going to use a dog sound find one that has just one dog barking and not a pack. They will be much more likely to come in on single dog than a unknown pack. All the dogs I know of that have been killed by wolves were alone weather at the tree or running game.

I know of some folks using scat from one packs territory and moving it to another packs and using traps. Not sure if it would work very well for shooting purposes though.

If your going to hunt the panhandle try Pine creek south of Pinehurst. Every year I cut tracks in that drainage usually on the east fork.

The Bumblebee pack generally hangs out at the head end of Cougar gulch. They den on the east side of the drainage but will move to different locations in the summer months. Later in the fall we will see them on the north slope of bumblebee peak and over into Laverne creek and into Leiberg creek. This pack used to roam into the head of teepee creek as well but I believe they got pushed out by another pack (see below). In the winter months they move into the Steamboat drainage and generally stay on the west fork around long tom road and Comfy creek. This pack has been hunted hard the last couple of years as I know of several wolves taken.

There is supposed to be another pack that has been seen around Magee the last couple of years. They could be anywhere in the Tepee Creek and Trail creek areas.

Another good place to look for them is around the presidential flats area just down stream from Big Hank campground. That pack has been there for years and I believe stays more in the less roaded areas.

These are all place I like to run my hounds so kill every last one of those blood sucking devil dogs.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
Nice bit of info huntin hounds! :tup:  Is there a certian time of year that is better for killing wolves?  I would think the winter grounds in late winter would be good? 
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jstone on March 25, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
I might be going deer hunting in the Crooked River area this year. Central Idaho, and i will get a wolf tag. Are they thick in there?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 25, 2015, 02:11:42 PM
What unit is that ?
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: jstone on March 25, 2015, 02:18:05 PM
North tip of unit 39. Just south West a little from Stanley Idaho
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 25, 2015, 03:18:55 PM
They have 60 wolf harvest limit in unit 39 and so far they've killed 16 from the way I read it for 2015. Each year starts a new harvest record from the way I see it. If you call the Idaho Game Dept, they will pretty much tell you where the most wolves have been killed. The game dept employees kinda feel you out by the way you talk and ask questions to make sure you're not an enviro, wolf loving nut job. I got a lot of info from them just by me calling them. If you can get a Game Warden to call you back for that area and talk to you, much better.....good luck.  :tup:
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: Huntin Hounds on March 25, 2015, 03:53:12 PM
Nice bit of info huntin hounds! :tup:  Is there a certian time of year that is better for killing wolves?  I would think the winter grounds in late winter would be good? 

I would think the winter would be best after deep snow just because it drives all the game into small areas, but most of the wolves shot seem to be in the fall. I think that has to do with young wolves not knowing to avoid humans though. All the wolves I know of that get killed are trapped. That just seems to be the only consistent way to kill them.
Title: Re: Wolf Hunting Idaho
Post by: ribka on March 25, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
 :tup: :tup:

If your going to use a dog sound find one that has just one dog barking and not a pack. They will be much more likely to come in on single dog than a unknown pack. All the dogs I know of that have been killed by wolves were alone weather at the tree or running game.

I know of some folks using scat from one packs territory and moving it to another packs and using traps. Not sure if it would work very well for shooting purposes though.

If your going to hunt the panhandle try Pine creek south of Pinehurst. Every year I cut tracks in that drainage usually on the east fork.

The Bumblebee pack generally hangs out at the head end of Cougar gulch. They den on the east side of the drainage but will move to different locations in the summer months. Later in the fall we will see them on the north slope of bumblebee peak and over into Laverne creek and into Leiberg creek. This pack used to roam into the head of teepee creek as well but I believe they got pushed out by another pack (see below). In the winter months they move into the Steamboat drainage and generally stay on the west fork around long tom road and Comfy creek. This pack has been hunted hard the last couple of years as I know of several wolves taken.

There is supposed to be another pack that has been seen around Magee the last couple of years. They could be anywhere in the Tepee Creek and Trail creek areas.

Another good place to look for them is around the presidential flats area just down stream from Big Hank campground. That pack has been there for years and I believe stays more in the less roaded areas.

These are all place I like to run my hounds so kill every last one of those blood sucking devil dogs.
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