Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 22, 2015, 01:34:18 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 22, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
It can take an Arizona resident 12-15+ years to draw a September rifle tag and I have no problem with that.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 22, 2015, 01:42:14 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 22, 2015, 02:13:30 PM
Post by: The scout on March 22, 2015, 02:22:48 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on March 22, 2015, 02:24:26 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 22, 2015, 02:26:41 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 22, 2015, 02:32:21 PM
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 22, 2015, 02:39:46 PM
Post by: Skillet on March 22, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
Post by: RadSav on March 22, 2015, 03:22:26 PM
The recurve bowman is not impressed with the compound shooter.
The compound shooter is not impressed with the crossbow shooter.
The crossbowman is not impressed with the muzzy shooter.
The muzzy hunter is not impressed with the 30-30 Win shooter.
The 30-30 hunter is not impressed with the long range magnum shooter.
The long range magnum guy is not impressed with the tank mounted 416 Barrett...
The anti hunter isn't impressed with the longbowman, the recurve bowman, the compound bowman, the crossbowman, the muzzy hunter, the 30-30 shooter, the long range magnum guy and likely not the 416 tank mounted Barrett either.
If the law permits it and the management is sound who really cares if I'm impressed or not? Stand together or fall as individuals.
ELITIST
adjective
being or characteristic of a person who has an offensive air of superiority and tends to ignore or disdain anyone regarded as inferior
Post by: h20hunter on March 22, 2015, 03:25:31 PM
Just another thread that pits some hunters against other hunters...
That's pretty much it buddy.
Been following and like Rads comment.
For the OP...don't think rifle shooters care if you are impressed or not.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2015, 03:34:59 PM
Post by: MLBowhunting on March 22, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 22, 2015, 04:05:49 PM
Post by: actionshooter on March 22, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
Post by: grundy53 on March 22, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
I support any form of legal and ethical hunting regardless of my personal preferences. :tup::yeah:
Post by: timberfaller on March 22, 2015, 05:07:51 PM
Get rid of ALL special hunts, make ONE season, in ONE period of time any Discipline legal, and BINGO problem solved!
I can hear it NOW, but that is unFAIR!
:tup: For RadSav :tup:
Post by: hughjorgan on March 22, 2015, 05:18:31 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 22, 2015, 05:27:42 PM
I forgot on word in the beginning of my sentence ( Not) :hello:
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on March 22, 2015, 05:36:27 PM
We all from now on have to hunt and fish caveman style period, but we get a 24 hr/365 day seasons including our native friends. :brew:
Save the state lots of money on law enforcement. :chuckle:
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 22, 2015, 06:09:57 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
I dont just mean Washington. Wow guys was just saying doesn't seem that hard. I have hunted the blues all my life, if i had a rifle bull tag in the rut, i could be done in the first morning. Not saying he would be a monster.
Post by: jackelope on March 22, 2015, 06:12:17 PM
The longbowman is not impressed with the recurve shooter.
The recurve bowman is not impressed with the compound shooter.
The compound shooter is not impressed with the crossbow shooter.
The crossbowman is not impressed with the muzzy shooter.
The muzzy hunter is not impressed with the 30-30 Win shooter.
The 30-30 hunter is not impressed with the long range magnum shooter.
The long range magnum guy is not impressed with the tank mounted 416 Barrett...
The anti hunter isn't impressed with the longbowman, the recurve bowman, the compound bowman, the crossbowman, the muzzy hunter, the 30-30 shooter, the long range magnum guy and likely not the 416 tank mounted Barrett either.
If the law permits it and the management is sound who really cares if I'm impressed or not? Stand together or fall as individuals.
ELITIST
adjective
being or characteristic of a person who has an offensive air of superiority and tends to ignore or disdain anyone regarded as inferior
Well said.
What is the point of this thread? And where are these OTC rifle rut hunts you speak of? I'll go tomorrow.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 22, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
Post by: mfswallace on March 22, 2015, 06:19:10 PM
What is the point of any thread? Every time someone speaks how they feel, most of you have a smart remark. Sorry most of you dont fill your tag and have to be pricks.
:nono:
Post by: huntnphool on March 22, 2015, 06:27:42 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
Actually, Washington does indeed have a few, only there is a crap load of money going over the counter. :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 22, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
What is the point of any thread? Every time someone speaks how they feel, most of you have a smart remark. Sorry most of you dont fill your tag and have to be pricks.:yike: :ban: :lol4: :chuckle:
Post by: hughjorgan on March 22, 2015, 06:34:27 PM
What is the point of any thread? Every time someone speaks how they feel, most of you have a smart remark. Sorry most of you dont fill your tag and have to be pricks.
Is it ironic that those claiming to not being an elitist Hunter sure have an elitist attitude to a question that most of them didn't even bother to read and reply to, they just further derailed your thread.
Post by: actionshooter on March 22, 2015, 06:44:46 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
Actually, Washington does indeed have a few, only there is a crap load of money going over the counter. :chuckle:
Hey I'm talking the OTC from Wal-Mart not the OTC from the Range Rover dealer :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on March 22, 2015, 06:47:29 PM
What is the point of any thread? Every time someone speaks how they feel, most of you have a smart remark. Sorry most of you dont fill your tag and have to be pricks.
Is it ironic that those claiming to not being an elitist Hunter sure have an elitist attitude to a question that most of them didn't even bother to read and reply to, they just further derailed your thread?
I am not with him.
Post by: huntnphool on March 22, 2015, 06:50:57 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
Actually, Washington does indeed have a few, only there is a crap load of money going over the counter. :chuckle:
Hey I'm talking the OTC from Wal-Mart not the OTC from the Range Rover dealer :chuckle:
You can buy raffle tickets OTC, maybe not at Wl-Mart though, and that's basically what the "raffle" has turned into, expensive OTC tags.
Post by: jackelope on March 22, 2015, 06:54:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on March 22, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
If you want to call thousands of dollars scooping up all the raffle tickets "OTC".
Like I said, that's basically what it is, very little risk involved for those that purchase 1000+ tickets.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 22, 2015, 07:09:53 PM
Yeah, you can get them at Wally World.I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
Actually, Washington does indeed have a few, only there is a crap load of money going over the counter. :chuckle:
Hey I'm talking the OTC from Wal-Mart not the OTC from the Range Rover dealer :chuckle:
You can buy raffle tickets OTC, maybe not at Wl-Mart though, and that's basically what the "raffle" has turned into, expensive OTC tags.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 22, 2015, 09:06:36 PM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
I dont just mean Washington. Wow guys was just saying doesn't seem that hard. I have hunted the blues all my life, if i had a rifle bull tag in the rut, i could be done in the first morning. Not saying he would be a monster.
So your point is???? My point is that everyone hunts differently. Some use bows, some bows and bait, some muzzleloaders, some rifles. It doesn't matter what method you use to hunt as long as you hunt and you do it well. If you need something to be "not impressed" with, go talk to a vegan for an hour. After that, you won't find anything wrong with rifle or any other hunter.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on March 23, 2015, 02:12:29 AM
The longbowman is not impressed with the recurve shooter.
The recurve bowman is not impressed with the compound shooter.
The compound shooter is not impressed with the crossbow shooter.
The crossbowman is not impressed with the muzzy shooter.
The muzzy hunter is not impressed with the 30-30 Win shooter.
The 30-30 hunter is not impressed with the long range magnum shooter.
The long range magnum guy is not impressed with the tank mounted 416 Barrett...
The anti hunter isn't impressed with the longbowman, the recurve bowman, the compound bowman, the crossbowman, the muzzy hunter, the 30-30 shooter, the long range magnum guy and likely not the 416 tank mounted Barrett either.
If the law permits it and the management is sound who really cares if I'm impressed or not? Stand together or fall as individuals.
ELITIST
adjective
being or characteristic of a person who has an offensive air of superiority and tends to ignore or disdain anyone regarded as inferior
+1
Post by: Taco280AI on March 23, 2015, 02:24:43 AM
I know what he's saying though, just seems too easy using a rifle during the elk rut. As far as those premium tags - Governor's tag - I think they should do away with the highest bidder (auctions) and do raffles. That way the guy who can only afford one tag still has a chance, just as the guy who can afford 1000 tags and the state still benefits from all the funds raised. :twocents:
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2015, 03:45:01 AM
As far as those premium tags - Governor's tag - I think they should do away with the highest bidder (auctions) and do raffles. That way the guy who can only afford one tag still has a chance, just as the guy who can afford 1000 tags and the state still benefits from all the funds raised. :twocents:
They do both now. I don't think adding one more tag to the raffle will raise anywhere near as much for wildlife as the one single governors tag does. For one eastside and one westside bull per year the funds generated do help. Though I do think the state could offer more raffle bulls in many areas without effecting the numbers in a negative way. They offer two moose raffle tags so you would think they could give out two or three elk raffle tags in the Elk (westside) and Elk (eastside) categories. I'd support that! But it still wouldn't add up to the funds raised by the Governor's auction.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2015, 03:50:00 AM
What impresses you or me is irrelevant. We are all sportsmen and should support each others individuality even if our weapon choice or impressions very. The fight for our hunting future is stronger if we stand and fight unified. It is also stronger if we are willing to make some sacrifices that help maintain a proper balance in health and harvest of our recourses. As soon as this noble heritage becomes about "me" and "my impressions" the less it becomes about "our opportunities" and "hunters (plural) rights". That does not mean we can't debate what being a good steward means to each individual. In that regard a good debate and open discussion is quite beneficial and shows outsiders that we are concerned sportsmen and hunters and not blood thirsty Mongols.
It's a fine line we walk. Made infinitely more difficult if we do not pay close attention to the words we use and the actions we take. I think the OP's concerns are valid ones. Certainly worth open discussion and debate. It was just the words and the actions that took away from constructive debate about stewardship. As time passes and social arrogance evolves hunters become less the valued providers and more the prey of a judgmental society. Our survival today is as much dependent on recognizing the dangers within as anticipating the dangers from behind. Image and solidarity means everything!
Post by: grundy53 on March 23, 2015, 05:00:17 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 23, 2015, 06:48:58 AM
Someone needs to tip WDFW about this so they can close down these rifle hunts in the rut.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2015, 07:13:33 AM
". I have hunted the blues all my life, if i had a rifle bull tag in the rut, i could be done in the first morning."
Someone needs to tip WDFW about this so they can close down these rifle hunts in the rut.
:chuckle:
Post by: Rick on March 23, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
just doesn't seem as fair to the elk.
I'm guessing from an elk's perspective, none of the methods we use to kill them would be considered fair.
Post by: jackelope on March 23, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
I ment as an over the counter tag. I watch these hunting shows where elk are bugling all over the place and the guy has a rifle tag.And where would this be?? I'm not aware of OTC rifle rut hunt tags anywhere?
I dont just mean Washington. Wow guys was just saying doesn't seem that hard. I have hunted the blues all my life, if i had a rifle bull tag in the rut, i could be done in the first morning. Not saying he would be a monster.
Still curious to know where these OTC rifle rut tags are.
99% sure you're going to find they are either drawn as permits or purchased as auction type tags or indian reservation tags.
You know there are rifle rut hunts in the Blues, right?
They're not OTC, but they do exist.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2015, 08:32:29 AM
just doesn't seem as fair to the elk.
I'm guessing from an elk's perspective, none of the methods we use to kill them would be considered fair.
:yeah:
That sounds like what a vegetarian might say. Eating any kind of meat- is that really "fair" to the animal that had to die so that we could eat it?
Post by: Woodchuck on March 23, 2015, 08:38:02 AM
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2015, 08:52:49 AM
Post by: runamuk on March 23, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
And comparing actual hunting on the ground in Washington to what you "see on tv" is an unfair comparison.
And then there is that other term back at the beginning "elitist" which divides and divides some more until the ranks are so broken there is no unified voice and the people in positions of authority can basically do whatever they want.
Post by: xXLojackXx on March 23, 2015, 11:12:13 AM
Post by: Fullabull on March 23, 2015, 12:48:09 PM
What you see on TV is a lot of these folks hunting on private ranches during early October where the elk are really nuts because there is not pressure on them. Or, they are in the back country hunting during early October.
Lots of folks think the elk are only rutting during September but it goes well into October when many states have rifle seasons.
Post by: Bob33 on March 23, 2015, 01:22:02 PM
I had a lady tell me once, "Fishing is fair because the fish chooses to bite the hook. But hunting is not fair because the animal does not choose to be shot." Wha'??Nor do they choose to get ripped apart and eaten alive by wolves and cougars, or die a slow painful death by disease or starvation, or run over and left to die a ditch.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
I had a lady tell me once, "Fishing is fair because the fish chooses to bite the hook. But hunting is not fair because the animal does not choose to be shot." Wha'??Nor do they choose to get ripped apart and eaten alive by wolves and cougars, or die a slow painful death by disease or starvation, or run over and left to die a ditch.
I tell people who are ignorant about hunting that I'm the kindest killer that nature has to offer.
Post by: gonehuntin68 on March 23, 2015, 02:08:33 PM
In other states like CO. their early rifle season is in early October when the rut is still going pretty good. I have hunted that season once with rifle years ago and it was great to have elk bugling. Most of the early season hunters there had not idea about calling so I don't think they had a huge advantage.
What you see on TV is a lot of these folks hunting on private ranches during early October where the elk are really nuts because there is not pressure on them. Or, they are in the back country hunting during early October.
Lots of folks think the elk are only rutting during September but it goes well into October when many states have rifle seasons.
Thats what i was getting at. Thanks for clearing that up. I must be hard to understand.
Post by: RadSav on March 23, 2015, 02:58:48 PM
Post by: Nice Racks on March 23, 2015, 03:17:27 PM