Post by: Legacy on March 23, 2015, 09:37:08 PM
Post by: Whitpirate on March 23, 2015, 09:40:25 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2015, 10:07:18 PM
Post by: kentrek on March 23, 2015, 10:22:32 PM
Who says money can't buy everything... Sad that certain well heeled land owners get the permits changed to have their own high end hunting lodge.
:yeah:
Post by: Mudman on March 23, 2015, 11:09:30 PM
Post by: Big6bull on March 24, 2015, 09:44:24 AM
Post by: Wenatcheejay on March 24, 2015, 02:16:52 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
Post by: bowhuntersd on March 29, 2015, 10:55:58 PM
Who says money can't buy everything... Sad that certain well heeled land owners get the permits changed to have their own high end hunting lodge.IMO- I don't think it has a lot to do with Agnew's land. I'm sure the is an advocate for it but I feel its more about Weyerhaeuser. With last years St. Helens tree farm permit being an epic fail, I think they've the most influence. Last year the planned on selling 15,000 permits for that tree farm, they only sold just over 3000. The revenue generated by those sales was significantly low (15,000 available @ $150 =$2,250,000 / 3,000 sold @ $150 =$450,000). I feel they've put added pressure on the State to improve their sales. If you look at the proposed regs for 2016, they are also wanting to add multiple units for muzzleloaders. Just my :twocents:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 30, 2015, 05:01:55 AM
Post by: longwalker on March 30, 2015, 05:26:45 AM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 30, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
While the Toutle did not have quite the same "boom" in elk population as the blast zone areas in the Margaret recover after the eruption (and decline as the habitat matured), it has undergone a similar effect of hoof rot. And most (not all) of it is Weyco.
I think if it was all about selling St. Helen's Tree Farm permits, Weyco would want the Toutle to be general also.
Post by: fireweed on March 30, 2015, 07:40:27 AM
So who can explain why the Toutle Unit is not going to general?One step at a time...one step at a time....like the frog in the slowly heated pot, don't want him to jump out early.
While the Toutle did not have quite the same "boom" in elk population as the blast zone areas in the Margaret recover after the eruption (and decline as the habitat matured), it has undergone a similar effect of hoof rot. And most (not all) of it is Weyco.
I think if it was all about selling St. Helen's Tree Farm permits, Weyco would want the Toutle to be general also.
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2015, 09:23:01 AM
Post by: Alan K on March 30, 2015, 12:44:33 PM
IMO- I don't think it has a lot to do with Agnew's land. I'm sure the is an advocate for it but I feel its more about Weyerhaeuser. With last years St. Helens tree farm permit being an epic fail, I think they've the most influence. Last year the planned on selling 15,000 permits for that tree farm, they only sold just over 3000. The revenue generated by those sales was significantly low (15,000 available @ $150 =$2,250,000 / 3,000 sold @ $150 =$450,000). I feel they've put added pressure on the State to improve their sales. If you look at the proposed regs for 2016, they are also wanting to add multiple units for muzzleloaders. Just my :twocents:
I wouldn't say that Weyerhaeuser was planning on selling 15,000 permits. It was an artificially high number of permits at a reasonable price so that everyone who wanted a permit could buy one, even if they didn't get a permit in the other areas. I would think it was also intended to be a barometer for understanding the demand for permits than anything else. Look for the price to go up this year, and possibly the total permits to get cut back.
Post by: CoastalHunter on March 30, 2015, 10:55:55 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on March 31, 2015, 10:25:25 AM
So Margaret is open to General Elk now with NO permit required?
Yes.
I don't think any info is out yet for what Weyerhaueser will want for permits or leases to hunt their land in the unit.
Post by: TheHunt on March 31, 2015, 10:32:33 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2015, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: TheHunt on March 31, 2015, 10:44:02 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 31, 2015, 10:54:09 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on March 31, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
I'm thinking Weyerhaeuser will have a separate pass for the Margaret area.
That's been my thought as well. Then in a year or 2 when everybody comes to the realization that the Margaret is just a faint shadow of it's former self. It will lose its luster and fall into line with the rest of the unts!
Post by: Bullkllr on March 31, 2015, 11:45:00 AM
I'm thinking Weyerhaeuser will have a separate pass for the Margaret area.
That's been my thought as well. Then in a year or 2 when everybody comes to the realization that the Margaret is just a faint shadow of it's former self. It will lose its luster and fall into line with the rest of the unts!
:yeah:
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 31, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
:yeah: It will. They probably want to get as much tag money out of it as possible before doing so.So who can explain why the Toutle Unit is not going to general?One step at a time...one step at a time....like the frog in the slowly heated pot, don't want him to jump out early.
While the Toutle did not have quite the same "boom" in elk population as the blast zone areas in the Margaret recover after the eruption (and decline as the habitat matured), it has undergone a similar effect of hoof rot. And most (not all) of it is Weyco.
I think if it was all about selling St. Helen's Tree Farm permits, Weyco would want the Toutle to be general also.