Post by: Bigshooter on March 28, 2015, 04:16:47 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on March 28, 2015, 04:33:08 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 28, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
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Some have come to the sea lions’ defense, saying they could represent a tourism boon if people will pay to see them.How many would really go all the way to Astoria just to see Sea Lions? Maybe a dozen people?
How many would go to Astoria to catch salmon? Maybe in the tens of thousands?
Post by: 2labs on March 28, 2015, 05:06:35 PM
The four legged version coming too a forest near you! Yeah.....
Post by: Bullkllr on March 28, 2015, 07:56:44 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwcouncil.org%2Fmedia%2F7148967%2Fseals-desdemona-sands-feb-2015-wdfw.jpg&hash=74253f865599754e4fa10aafeb3272ad27a97f02)
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html)
"But even when the smelt are gone, an estimated 312,600 adult spring chinook salmon are expected to provide a continuing food source. A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report in October showed a decrease in chinook salmon survival from 90 percent in 2010 to 55 percent in 2014. It compared the decrease in survival with a more than 670 percent increase in sea lion populations counted by Oregon wildlife officials in Astoria between March 15 and May 15 over the same years."
Post by: pd on March 28, 2015, 08:31:43 PM
QuoteSome have come to the sea lions’ defense, saying they could represent a tourism boon if people will pay to see them.How many would really go all the way to Astoria just to see Sea Lions? Maybe a dozen people?
How many would go to Astoria to catch salmon? Maybe in the tens of thousands?
How about an OTC tag for sea lions? I would buy one.
Post by: lokidog on March 28, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: 2labs on March 28, 2015, 08:44:32 PM
A few seals too, according to this recent photo:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwcouncil.org%2Fmedia%2F7148967%2Fseals-desdemona-sands-feb-2015-wdfw.jpg&hash=74253f865599754e4fa10aafeb3272ad27a97f02)
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html)
"But even when the smelt are gone, an estimated 312,600 adult spring chinook salmon are expected to provide a continuing food source. A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report in October showed a decrease in chinook salmon survival from 90 percent in 2010 to 55 percent in 2014. It compared the decrease in survival with a more than 670 percent increase in sea lion populations counted by Oregon wildlife officials in Astoria between March 15 and May 15 over the same
years."
Tried too free one from a gill net in Bristol bay once!! Bit holes in the skiff. Why are they protected? It was like looking into the mouth of a pit bull! Send a few "Libs" down ther to shoo them off the docks!
Post by: Crunchy on March 28, 2015, 08:46:37 PM
Post by: Blacklab on March 30, 2015, 06:40:11 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on March 30, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
QuoteSome have come to the sea lions’ defense, saying they could represent a tourism boon if people will pay to see them.How many would really go all the way to Astoria just to see Sea Lions? Maybe a dozen people?
How many would go to Astoria to catch salmon? Maybe in the tens of thousands?
How many people would go to Astoria to kill the sea lions????
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2015, 08:55:12 AM
Post by: cbond3318 on March 30, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
QuoteSome have come to the sea lions’ defense, saying they could represent a tourism boon if people will pay to see them.How many would really go all the way to Astoria just to see Sea Lions? Maybe a dozen people?
How many would go to Astoria to catch salmon? Maybe in the tens of thousands?
How many people would go to Astoria to kill the sea lions????
I would and my entire group of friends so, 2.
Post by: whacker1 on March 30, 2015, 09:22:45 AM
I haven't verified the source of the news article and only skimmed it. But it appears Global Warming is to blame/cause? I don't know?
Post by: Seahawk12 on March 30, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
Remember that seal that was bitten in half by a great white a while back at Ocean Shores? If Great White sharks started showing up to eat these seals I would make the drive to watch. Imagine a scenario like off the coast of South Africa with large numbers of Great Whites timing their arrival and eating the seals.QuoteSome have come to the sea lions’ defense, saying they could represent a tourism boon if people will pay to see them.How many would really go all the way to Astoria just to see Sea Lions? Maybe a dozen people?
How many would go to Astoria to catch salmon? Maybe in the tens of thousands?
Post by: lokidog on March 30, 2015, 09:36:29 AM
Yeah, they're trying to tell you "THERE ARE TOO MANY OF US, PLEASE LET US DIE!" :chuckle:
Post by: Roosevelt on March 30, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
Post by: cm2cb4 on April 07, 2015, 07:50:44 AM
Post by: winslow on April 07, 2015, 08:13:19 AM
Post by: Southpole on April 07, 2015, 08:13:45 AM
I'd drive to harvest one. Wonder if they taste good in tacos? :IBCOOL:Icky fishy tacos :puke:
Post by: lokidog on April 07, 2015, 02:10:50 PM
Are sea lions federally protected?
Yes, Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972 (I think this is the date) and probably others.
Post by: TheHunt on April 07, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
A few seals too, according to this recent photo:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nwcouncil.org%2Fmedia%2F7148967%2Fseals-desdemona-sands-feb-2015-wdfw.jpg&hash=74253f865599754e4fa10aafeb3272ad27a97f02)
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/03/hungry_in_california_pinnipeds.html)
"But even when the smelt are gone, an estimated 312,600 adult spring chinook salmon are expected to provide a continuing food source. A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration report in October showed a decrease in chinook salmon survival from 90 percent in 2010 to 55 percent in 2014. It compared the decrease in survival with a more than 670 percent increase in sea lion populations counted by Oregon wildlife officials in Astoria between March 15 and May 15 over the same years."
They look like maggots....
Post by: buckhorn2 on April 09, 2015, 11:13:44 AM
Post by: stevemiller on April 10, 2015, 12:00:23 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 10, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
:bash: loved the commentary though. :chuckle:
Why don't the Natives exercise there right to kill the seals and sea lions? I know there federally listed but so have been salmon and Natives continue to harvest the salmon. I would think the Natives would want them gone to help out there treaty fishing?
Post by: stevemiller on April 19, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
Post by: Tealer on April 20, 2015, 10:24:14 PM
The only real hope is the tribal guys targeting them. Once they hunt one from a sled they will fear boat and the problem
Will cease.
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Post by: stevemiller on April 21, 2015, 12:15:24 AM
Post by: wheels on April 21, 2015, 09:01:08 AM
Post by: wheels on April 21, 2015, 09:04:57 AM
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A sea lion catches a salmon on the Columbia River just below the spillway at Bonneville Dam. (The Associated Press)
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A new bill co-sponsored by Oregon Rep. Kurt Schrader would address the growing number of sea lions congregating at Bonneville Dam by giving authorities more leeway to kill them.
The Endangered Salmon and Fisheries Predation Prevention Act, co-sponsored by Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, R-Wash., would change the Marine Mammal Protection Act to allow tribal members to kill sea lions and harbor seals. Before resorting to bullets, the tribal members would first need to make several unsuccessful attempts to move the animals and receive training from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
The bill has support from the Coastal Conservation Association, a fishing group, and the Columbia Inter-Tribal Fish Commission.
“Our tribes are working hard to restore balance, wherever we can, in a highly altered and degraded river system,” said Paul Lumley, the group’s executive director. “The Marine Mammal Protection Act and the Endangered Species Act are thoughtful laws that need to be reconciled with one another.”
Bonneville Dam creates a barrier for fish in the Columbia River, making it a lucrative feeding ground for the sea lions. Because many of the salmon they eat are endangered, it also creates a dilemma for fish and wildlife managers.
Fishery managers say the number of sea lions eating salmon at Bonneville Dam has increased since they first began showing up in 2002, forcing them to put more effort into relocating the animals. Last year, fish and wildlife officials in Washington and Oregon observed more than 600 sea lions in the lower Columbia River and killed dozens of them.
Currently, the Marine Mammal Protection Act allows only state officials to kill the animals, and only after multiple benchmarks are met.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration estimates that last year, sea lions and seals consumed nearly 45 percent of the salmon returns in the Columbia River and its tributaries.
-- Kelly House
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Post by: haus on May 07, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
THE USFWS should introduce some shark maybe some killer whales into the waters just outside of WA. then when they come over and start killing the seal and sea lion WDFW can say they didnt re introduce them into WA. :chuckle: Then problem solved. :tup:
Not sure how much fresh water density GW's would push into, but they are likely taking a few offshore a ways. Though GW's are probably just as likely to mash on the salmon. One of the resident Killer pods frequents that area, but they don't target the mammals, which leaves just the transients as the primary threat. Yet their numbers are quite low.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2015, 01:54:08 PM
THE USFWS should introduce some shark maybe some killer whales into the waters just outside of WA. then when they come over and start killing the seal and sea lion WDFW can say they didnt re introduce them into WA. :chuckle: Then problem solved. :tup:
Not sure how much fresh water density GW's would push into, but they are likely taking a few offshore a ways. Though GW's are probably just as likely to mash on the salmon. One of the resident Killer pods frequents that area, but they don't target the mammals, which leaves just the transients as the primary threat. Yet their numbers are quite low.
Bull sharks go way upstream in fresh water.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/bull-shark/
Post by: haus on May 07, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
editTHE USFWS should introduce some shark maybe some killer whales into the waters just outside of WA. then when they come over and start killing the seal and sea lion WDFW can say they didnt re introduce them into WA. :chuckle: Then problem solved. :tup:
Not sure how much fresh water density GW's would push into, but they are likely taking a few offshore a ways. Though GW's are probably just as likely to mash on the salmon. One of the resident Killer pods frequents that area, but they don't target the mammals, which leaves just the transients as the primary threat. Yet their numbers are quite low.
Bull sharks go way upstream in fresh water.
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/bull-shark/
http://www.beelikk.com/articles/bull-shark-attack/
Only report Icould find. Most sites, including NOAA dont refer to bulls ranging up to even the oregon coast
Was questioning the GW, great whites. Wonder if they'd tolerate a little brackish water to get at that island. Like a previous poster said, would be cool to have our own flying great white entertainment :chuckle:
I did see a documentary awhile back where a biologist did the whole decoy towing thing in Oregon and got some jumps.
Post by: haus on May 07, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
http://www.oregonmag.net/Sharks909.html