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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: JJD on April 08, 2015, 06:23:26 AM

Title: Insert help
Post by: JJD on April 08, 2015, 06:23:26 AM: I will soon order some CX maxima Hunter arrows.
I am planning to order them without inserts installed so that I might index my fixed blade broad heads to the vanes when the inserts are installed.
I have Goat Tuff premium glue that I use to repair an occasional lost vane, will this work as an insert glue or do you recommend a specific insert glue?
Any recommendation for arrow prep prior to insert install?

OR am I wasting my time with all this indexing via insert placement, and just use the little brass washer that come with the broad heads to provide indexing?
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 06:36:28 AM: that will work fine . you may want to use hot melt on one just for test and tune .. be care not to stick it into a target though and if you do wait a couple minutes be for you pull it out. If you lay your arrow bh facing you on a table try tilting the blade at seven o'clock just off the table or just clock wise of your fletching's arrow facing you .
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: JJD on April 08, 2015, 09:16:21 AM: I believe I am following you.
You want your BH blade just slightly clockwise of your vanes with BH facing toward you?
Don't quite follow the tilting the blade at 7 o'clock just off the table?
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 08, 2015, 10:37:09 AM: You are wasting your time. Broadhead blade indexing with vanes will have zero affect on flight or performance of the arrow. Just screw the broadhead on and confirm it is in alignment with the arrow shaft qmd shoot it.
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: RadSav on April 08, 2015, 01:10:41 PM: Always remember!!! Never, ever, never-ever twist your broadhead with your fingers!!! Use your fingers or a hard surface to "Hold Only". Then twist the arrow.

The only blood that should be seen on your arrows and broadheads should be from animals...Not yourself ;)

Aligning broadhead blades to the fletching is an advantage for visual sight picture and arrow shelf clearance only. Makes no difference in arrow flight.
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 08, 2015, 01:16:52 PM: I always seem to have to test the sharpnes of the blades while installing... :chuckle:
Quote from: RadSav on April 08, 2015, 01:10:41 PM
Always remember!!! Never, ever, never-ever twist your broadhead with your fingers!!! Use your fingers or a hard surface to "Hold Only". Then twist the arrow.

The only blood that should be seen on your arrows and broadheads should be from animals...Not yourself ;)

Aligning broadhead blades to the fletching is an advantage for visual sight picture and arrow shelf clearance only. Makes no difference in arrow flight.
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: coachcw on April 08, 2015, 06:25:37 PM: Quote from: JJD on April 08, 2015, 09:16:21 AM
I believe I am following you.
You want your BH blade just slightly clockwise of your vanes with BH facing toward you?
Don't quite follow the tilting the blade at 7 o'clock just off the table?
yes !
Aligning broadhead blades to the fletching is an advantage for visual sight picture and arrow shelf clearance only. Makes no difference in arrow flight. Im am a believer in indexing them I have broadheads steer before , at slower speeds not so much , but when your pushing spine charts and over 300 fps it makes a difference . maybe not in a perfect tune world just the real world :chuckle:
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: RadSav on April 08, 2015, 06:35:19 PM: Who is at the helm when that arrow is being steered? :chuckle:
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: RadSav on April 08, 2015, 11:41:32 PM: It would likely take slow motion video to so perfectly match arrow spline to the nock in such a way that exact duplication of blade orientation would assist the reaction recovery to a beneficial degree of angle during paradox. You can come close with the longbow as we know the arrow receives pressure from the riser to direct initial flex. But there is usually no such pressure devise or a longbow's level of paradox in a shoot through riser design. So blade orientation to fletching or even static spline would be nearly impossible to effect flight consistently.

Long range dynamic spline orientation using a Hooter shooter or top level tournament shooter can be done on weak spine arrows and/or heavy spline deviant arrows. And that could theoretically open the door for a blade orientation advantage to some minute degree during the time it takes for fletching to reach terminal rotation. But once rotation has been fully established any and all blade orientation advantage would be quickly erased.

A long weak spined arrow would take longer to establish that terminal rotation so yes real world tune does vary from the perfect theoretical tune. However, if spine were that weak and FOC that poor that blade orientation would show an effect, blade alignment would be the least of your worries!
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: coachcw on April 09, 2015, 06:01:29 AM: Obey Won has spoken :chuckle:
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: JJD on April 09, 2015, 01:17:37 PM: No clearance issue with my bow. Won't bother trying to index arrows.

Thanks
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: RadSav on April 09, 2015, 01:52:21 PM: If you, coach or anyone else receives a bump in confidence - that goes a long way. It was not long ago I made sure every arrow had blades the same way, fletching was applied with one single clamp jig so all were identical, nock to cock were aligned to the thousandth of an inch and wraps were placed so every seam lined to the static spline. I then took the Hooter to the 100 yard range and dynamic spline located each of two dozen shafts. Then graded each shaft "A", A+, B, C and F. Any arrow "C" or below was given away. Only "A+" arrows made it out opening day and "B" shafts were for grouse and bunnies only.

Did any of that make a difference when shooting animals out to 50 yards? No, not really. Probably would not be able to shoot the difference out to 80 yards. But, the boost to my confidence was real. There is something about having a bow and arrow set up so perfect that failure or lack of preparation never enters the mind. Freeing yourself to place 100% of your concentration on executing the perfect shot. Scientific, logical or suppositious makes no difference if the mind believes resulting in an archers version of Chi.

Once I started shooting a single cam bow...Well...all logic had to be thrown out the window then :chuckle: So now I just buy the best arrows, use the best nocks, screw on my heads and hit the woods. And at this age and stress level that's just ok with me. I'm also shooting better than ever! So :dunno:
Title: Re: Insert help
Post by: coachcw on April 09, 2015, 07:47:49 PM: I can say the shuttle t have been screw and shoot. But in the day those 100 lbs Martin fury would steer some heads.