Post by: kball4 on April 16, 2015, 06:06:37 AM
Area 9 quota cut in half 2,483 fish.
Post by: WSU on April 16, 2015, 07:57:04 AM
Post by: PolarBear on April 16, 2015, 07:58:57 AM
Post by: WSU on April 16, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
Post by: kball4 on April 16, 2015, 08:12:20 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on April 16, 2015, 08:21:04 AM
Post by: kball4 on April 16, 2015, 08:27:28 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on April 16, 2015, 09:16:32 AM
Post by: Practical Approach on April 16, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
I guess lynch mobs are more fun for some.
Post by: Skillet on April 16, 2015, 09:34:55 AM
Perhaps. I also wonder of the rec share wasn't used up to allow non-treaty commercials access to pinks or something else?
From what I have heard through the grapevine, this was the result of a pissing contest between the Muckleshoot and the Makah. The Makah have first crack at whatever comes in the straits and were unwilling to keep the nets out of the water while ESA listed Chinook came through. Lots of moving parts, but that was the main sticking point as understand it. I'm not sure how all of the non-treaty commercials fared, but I do know a few groups - including the recreational fleet - were forced to agree to what amounts to a token season because the tribes wouldn't negotiate an agreement between themselves.
Post by: WAPatriot on April 16, 2015, 09:46:27 AM
Self regulated. I mean really it's a joke imho they take 90 percent of the king harvest that comes through the sound. They are accountable to no one.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 16, 2015, 09:54:59 AM
Post by: Practical Approach on April 16, 2015, 10:03:14 AM
Apr 15th, 2015 • Category: Lead Story, News
sockeyeTreaty tribal and state salmon co-managers reached agreement late Tuesday on a package of fishing seasons that will fairly share the burden of conserving weak wild salmon stocks while providing limited harvest opportunities.
“Cooperation on both sides helped to ensure that everyone will be able to fish this year,” said Lorraine Loomis, chair of the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission.
“We are especially thankful for the leadership of former WDFW director Phil Anderson and current director Jim Unsworth in helping to meet our shared conservation challenges,” she said.
This year’s season-setting process was especially difficult because of necessary conservation measures required by ongoing habitat loss and climate change that is resulting in drought, low water levels and higher water temperatures that are lethal to salmon.
Necessary fishery reductions were especially painful for tribal and state managers this year, Loomis said, but were necessary because of uncertainty in environmental conditions. Salmon returns were poor throughout western Washington last year. Setting this year’s season was further complicated by ongoing concerns about ocean conditions and a low snowpack that is expected to lead to increased water temperatures.
“Because of these conditions we may see an increase in pre-spawning mortality of salmon this year, which required the tribal and state co-managers to be extra cautious in setting seasons,” Loomis said
Post by: kball4 on April 16, 2015, 10:14:28 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on April 16, 2015, 10:59:12 AM
Post by: Practical Approach on April 16, 2015, 11:11:22 AM
Whatever became of the 50/50 deal? :dunno: 2006-2012 the tribes got 68% of the Chinook and the commercial and sports guys got 32%. The tribes got 70% of the Coho and the commercial and sports got 30%. Something's wrong with the equation here, I didn't even take bonehead math and I can even figure it out. :bash:
Interesting, can you provide your source?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 16, 2015, 11:18:39 AM
Whatever became of the 50/50 deal? :dunno: 2006-2012 the tribes got 68% of the Chinook and the commercial and sports guys got 32%. The tribes got 70% of the Coho and the commercial and sports got 30%. Something's wrong with the equation here, I didn't even take bonehead math and I can even figure it out. :bash:If you consider the fish that are supposed to return from Alaska and BC, but instead are caught by commercial fleets before they ever get near their home rivers in Washington; then the tribes and state fisherman only get a small percentage. I've read a few estimates in the past saying about 80% of Chinook bound for Washington are caught up there. But no way for WDFW to really fight Alaska/BC on the issue. Again corporations shafting everyone else.
Post by: hunt_fish on April 16, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on April 16, 2015, 12:17:03 PM
Whatever became of the 50/50 deal? :dunno: 2006-2012 the tribes got 68% of the Chinook and the commercial and sports guys got 32%. The tribes got 70% of the Coho and the commercial and sports got 30%. Something's wrong with the equation here, I didn't even take bonehead math and I can even figure it out. :bash:
Interesting, can you provide your source?
Salmon University under the MA 9 report by Tom Nelson
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 16, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Another reason for closure to area 10 could be area 11 and 13 guys complaining. I know that's part of the reason why they shortened the length of area 9/10 last year to August 14 or whatever it was.
Ever sence area 9 and 10 opened and the puyallup tribe cut back Chinook stock a few years ago, area 11 and 13 have been a ghost town compared to the years previous.
South sounders had to travel north to catch fish. We trailer to Port Townsand every weekend. Im excited to see how or if it improves this year were I live.
By Aug 14th, our Chinook fishing has usaully already slowed. We do get to start a month and a half early, but there isnt much going on till Mid July.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 16, 2015, 04:22:39 PM
To lighten the conversation, the silver run is supposed to be better than last year. Hope we can keep some wilds still like last year up in area 5,6.
8 day kill on natives this year.
Post by: hunt_fish on April 16, 2015, 05:36:02 PM
Another reason for closure to area 10 could be area 11 and 13 guys complaining. I know that's part of the reason why they shortened the length of area 9/10 last year to August 14 or whatever it was.
Ever sence area 9 and 10 opened and the puyallup tribe cut back Chinook stock a few years ago, area 11 and 13 have been a ghost town compared to the years previous.
South sounders had to travel north to catch fish. We trailer to Port Townsand every weekend. Im excited to see how or if it improves this year were I live.
By Aug 14th, our Chinook fishing has usaully already slowed. We do get to start a month and a half early, but there isnt much going on till Mid July.
Yeah now for people like my dad, he'll have to travel either north or south to fish... like he had to years ago when Area 10 was closed for years. Pretty much a bum deal to be shutting down Area 10 for people in the Bremerton area. Are they going to keep the Sinclair Inlet fishery open like they did in the past in the 90's and early 2000's? We might have to start fishing that again.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 16, 2015, 07:36:04 PM
Another reason for closure to area 10 could be area 11 and 13 guys complaining. I know that's part of the reason why they shortened the length of area 9/10 last year to August 14 or whatever it was.
Ever sence area 9 and 10 opened and the puyallup tribe cut back Chinook stock a few years ago, area 11 and 13 have been a ghost town compared to the years previous.
South sounders had to travel north to catch fish. We trailer to Port Townsand every weekend. Im excited to see how or if it improves this year were I live.
By Aug 14th, our Chinook fishing has usaully already slowed. We do get to start a month and a half early, but there isnt much going on till Mid July.
Yeah now for people like my dad, he'll have to travel either north or south to fish... like he had to years ago when Area 10 was closed for years. Pretty much a bum deal to be shutting down Area 10 for people in the Bremerton area. Are they going to keep the Sinclair Inlet fishery open like they did in the past in the 90's and early 2000's? We might have to start fishing that again.
Sinclair has been open every year for the last few. And should still open this year. That's a pure hatchery run in an area that has no impact on any other run. It's a decent fishery with a derby every year. We took 6th 3 years ago and first 2 years ago.
We fish dolphin and south worth mostly, but also trailer to Gig Harbor too.
Post by: hunt_fish on April 16, 2015, 07:51:20 PM
Another reason for closure to area 10 could be area 11 and 13 guys complaining. I know that's part of the reason why they shortened the length of area 9/10 last year to August 14 or whatever it was.
Ever sence area 9 and 10 opened and the puyallup tribe cut back Chinook stock a few years ago, area 11 and 13 have been a ghost town compared to the years previous.
South sounders had to travel north to catch fish. We trailer to Port Townsand every weekend. Im excited to see how or if it improves this year were I live.
By Aug 14th, our Chinook fishing has usaully already slowed. We do get to start a month and a half early, but there isnt much going on till Mid July.
Yeah now for people like my dad, he'll have to travel either north or south to fish... like he had to years ago when Area 10 was closed for years. Pretty much a bum deal to be shutting down Area 10 for people in the Bremerton area. Are they going to keep the Sinclair Inlet fishery open like they did in the past in the 90's and early 2000's? We might have to start fishing that again.
Sinclair has been open every year for the last few. And should still open this year. That's a pure hatchery run in an area that has no impact on any other run. It's a decent fishery with a derby every year. We took 6th 3 years ago and first 2 years ago.
We fish dolphin and south worth mostly, but also trailer to Gig Harbor too.
Yeah we used to fish Gig Harbor and Sinclair Inlet when Area 10 was closed back in the day. Just so much easier to launch the boat at Brownsville when we're 5 minutes from it. We've had Jeff Head dialed in pretty well on the different spots that produced there, time to relearn Sinclair again haha. Last time I fished there was maybe the summer after 9/11, do they still have the military boats patrolling that shoreline by the ferry to make sure boats fishing don't get too close or has that gone away?
Post by: Birdguy on April 17, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
To lighten the conversation, the silver run is supposed to be better than last year. Hope we can keep some wilds still like last year up in area 5,6.
8 day kill on natives this year.
I am hearing 8 days in Sept. and more in October (maybe the entire month) :dunno:
Post by: MADMAX on April 18, 2015, 07:50:56 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on April 18, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
I'm sure the nets will still be out in Sinclair down near GorstThat's correct, since the tribe started that run and it impacts nothing else.
Post by: MADMAX on April 18, 2015, 10:26:01 AM
I have been paying Puget sound enhancements and fishing here for over 35 years.
its never getting any better if we continue to net the runs, rivers and pound the commercial aspect of it.
5 years moratorium on all fishing and it would be excellent again