Post by: Jester052 on April 16, 2015, 09:43:08 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on April 16, 2015, 09:48:14 AM
Post by: Bob33 on April 16, 2015, 09:51:00 AM
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Post by: lokidog on April 16, 2015, 09:56:28 AM
Often WDFW's regs can be confusing, but you are trying to find insanity where it does not currently exist. :o It is certainly legal to shoot a Gobbler, it is also certainly legal to shoot a turkey with a visible beard.
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:16:41 AM
Post by: Jester052 on April 16, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
Can someone define "gobbler" to me?Male turkey I'm assuming
Post by: lokidog on April 16, 2015, 10:19:56 AM
Can someone define "gobbler" to me?
If it goes gobble gobble gobble, not quack quack quack, honk honk honk, chirp chirp chirp, or yelp yelp yelp, it is a gobbler, not to be confused with a goober. :dunno:
Or, it is this...
gob·bler1
/ˈɡäb(ə)lər/
noun
noun: gobbler; plural noun: gobblers
a person who eats greedily and noisily.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 16, 2015, 10:20:39 AM
I don't think I would risk shooting any turkey without a beard regardless of how that reads. :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: lokidog on April 16, 2015, 10:23:07 AM
(ˈɡɒblə)
n
1. (Zoology) a male turkey
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Do I need to find more?? :rolleyes:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 16, 2015, 10:23:50 AM
Post by: PA BEN on April 16, 2015, 10:26:53 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:27:02 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:28:49 AM
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on April 16, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
Male turkeys and turkeys with beards. I talked to a wildlife agent. And also called and talked to those that set the rules at WDFW and they both said male turkeys with or without beards are legal. And they are out there. Also in reference to birds gobbling. Hens will do a mock gobble to ward away toms when they are not ready to mate. Sounds like a poor jake gobble. I have witnessed it many times. So dont shoot birds because they gobble... Just sayinDont shoot birds that gobble? Aren't they gobblers? Gobblers=Legal
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 10:49:22 AM
Post by: Jester052 on April 16, 2015, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 11:06:07 AM
Post by: jackelope on April 16, 2015, 11:18:14 AM
WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
Post by: sneakyjake on April 16, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 16, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
Think about the transport rules. Must leave a feathered head attached. Legs and beard don't mean anything. Now a hen I would probably take extra care to leave the beard attached.
Very true to leave the beard attatached to a hen.
Post by: kirkl on April 16, 2015, 12:36:31 PM
Post by: PA BEN on April 16, 2015, 01:54:28 PM
Why can't they post this in the Turkey Regs. Then no confusion. :bash:WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 16, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
Post by: benhuntin on April 16, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
It is in the regs :dunno: Turkeys with visible beards ONLY ! Look under Restrictions :tup:Thats what it should say. But it also says gobblers.
Post by: jackelope on April 16, 2015, 02:40:29 PM
It is in the regs :dunno: Turkeys with visible beards ONLY ! Look under Restrictions :tup:
Regs:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01698/wdfw01698.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01698/wdfw01698.pdf)
Gobblers and
Turkeys with visible
beards ONLY
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 16, 2015, 02:42:42 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 16, 2015, 02:53:00 PM
We shoot mature gobblers and jakes every year that do not have visible beards. We have looked at so many birds it's like looking at men and women, at first glance we know what we are looking at by only seeing the head. I would not recommend that to most hunters since most hunters cannot tell the difference that easily.
If you see the bird gobble or see a definite beard you should be OK. :tup:
Don't make a mistake and shoot a hen with a turned feather on her breast! Once hens start laying and sitting it's common to see a hen with a turned feather on her breast sticking outward. That looks a lot like a short beard sticking out on a jake.
There are a good number of hens already on nests this year, earlier than I've ever seen, so be careful.
FYI - I always carry binos while turkey hunting! :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on April 16, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Regulations are a rephrasing of actual laws, and in some cases (such as this) the regulations can be more confusing, incomplete, and possibly even wrong.Why can't they post this in the Turkey Regs. Then no confusion. :bash:WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
You don't get cited for violating what is in the published regulations per se: you would only be cited for violating an RCW or WAC.
If in doubt, check the actual laws.
Post by: cbond3318 on April 16, 2015, 03:03:46 PM
WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
You don't have to yell at the guy.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 16, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Just want to make sure he Heard :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
You don't have to yell at the guy.
Post by: bigtex on April 16, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
:yeah:Regulations are a rephrasing of actual laws, and in some cases (such as this) the regulations can be more confusing, incomplete, and possibly even wrong.Why can't they post this in the Turkey Regs. Then no confusion. :bash:WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
You don't get cited for violating what is in the published regulations per se: you would only be cited for violating an RCW or WAC.
If in doubt, check the actual laws.
Post by: PA BEN on April 16, 2015, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: Quackwhacker on April 16, 2015, 06:14:57 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 16, 2015, 08:42:50 PM
WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
You don't have to yell at the guy.
Apparently this does need to be yelled since it was clear within the first ten posts that a turkey that gobbles, beard or no beard, is a legal bird. :bash:
:tup:
we tell them they need to see the bird strutting,
FYI - I always carry binos while turkey hunting! :twocents:
I've seen a hen fan her tail and strut in front of a decoy of mine, at ten yards it was pretty easy to see she was a hen. I'd be careful about shooting a bird only seen strutting and not actually seen gobbling though. :dunno:
Post by: bearpaw on April 16, 2015, 09:13:16 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 16, 2015, 09:18:02 PM
I've never seen a wild hen strut but if you have then I stand corrected and would suggest hunters make sure by other means.
It was the craziest thing, I think she was trying to show some dominance thing. I looked and looked for a beard thinking she might go both ways, but never did see one. :chuckle:
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on April 17, 2015, 11:06:48 AM
The dictionarys definition of a gobbler is a "male" turkey that makes a gobble sound. No mention of a female of a female that gobbles, being a gobbler. Besides a person would have a lot of talking to do, to convince a warden that the female you shot, with no beard, gobbled. Plus page 5 of the game pamphlet lists gobbler as a tom only, and has female turkeys as hens, no mention of turkey language.Male turkeys and turkeys with beards. I talked to a wildlife agent. And also called and talked to those that set the rules at WDFW and they both said male turkeys with or without beards are legal. And they are out there. Also in reference to birds gobbling. Hens will do a mock gobble to ward away toms when they are not ready to mate. Sounds like a poor jake gobble. I have witnessed it many times. So dont shoot birds because they gobble... Just sayinDont shoot birds that gobble? Aren't they gobblers? Gobblers=Legal
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 17, 2015, 11:11:31 AM
Post by: bearpaw on April 19, 2015, 07:03:26 AM
BearPaw ..we have seen hens strutting numerous times :tup: I have a video somewhere where the hen was strutting while the gobbler was trying to get on top of her ..Not sure why but she had her tail up and wings down and finally they mated ! Amazing the things we see out there while chasing turkeys !
I've never seen a hen actually strut, I have seen them fluffing and stretching wings often, but I changed my post, I certainly don't want anyone making a mistake. THANKS :tup:
Post by: PA BEN on April 19, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Post by: Tom Tamer on April 20, 2015, 05:58:39 PM
Not that hard to figure out.WAC 232-28-342 reads like this:
(b) SPRING SEASON
(i) LEGAL BIRD: Male turkeys and turkeys with visible beards only.
Male turkeys!!!! AND!!! turkeys with visible beards!!
Post by: RadSav on April 20, 2015, 06:17:41 PM
I killed a tom with about a quarter inch beard. They taste just as good as the ones with 10 inch beards.
Or taste just as bad as the ones with 10 inch beards! :chuckle:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 20, 2015, 06:23:55 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on April 20, 2015, 06:58:29 PM
I said there is only one way for certain and you arent big enough to pull it off. :chuckle:
But yes I am amazed this made two pages. :dunno:
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 24, 2015, 04:54:46 PM
I've seen hens do it in the fall. They don't stay in it very long and it's when they are fighting seeing whos the boss. Full fanned out and somewhat puffed up.Same for me
Post by: dawei on April 25, 2015, 03:31:02 PM