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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Heavily Armed Hiker on January 03, 2009, 10:21:02 PM
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Saw this on the deer forum and thought it would be fun to start on the elk forum. So............
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Well, for me it is a Rem 7mm Mag shooting Hornady 139gr. BTSP. They put an elk down whether it is a 100yds or 300yds. I have gotten 3 with this combo...
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270WSM :D
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I use a 50 caliber muzzleloader or a 270 but I have to say a 338 Remington Ultra Mag would really put the hurtin' on an elk. Either that or a 375 Ruger.
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Id like to get one of those 375 rugers they pack alot of punch I think like 4000 ftlbs??? maybe be wrong :dunno:
Just check they are pushing over 4000 ftlbs of energy and that will flat out bore a hole through an elk for sure
Could even be called "knock down power" :chuckle:
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.338 WM shooting 215 gr. Nosler Partitions. Deadly elk medicine.
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Tikka T3 300wsm with 180grn E-tips. Puts them right down.
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.270 win with 140 accubonds. But I'd like to get a 300 WSM.
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300 shortmag in remington model 7
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300 wsm. 180 grain nosler partition's for everything.
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I am a big fan of the 300 win mag with a 165 trophy bonded bear claw.
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my 300 Win Mag, handloads w/200 gr Partition (used this slug for 25 years), sighted in at 3" high-DOC at 100 yards.
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What does "DOC" stand for?
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Tikka T3 Lite 300 WSM shooting 180 grain partitions
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54 cal 425 gr. for muzzle 3 inches high at 50 yards, and 30-06 180 gr. rifle 3 inches high at 100
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1st. .35 whelen any grain
2nd. 30-06 220 core-lokt
3rd. .270 150 gr fusions
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.300RUM
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Beaman 340 mfx 29.5 long with 100 grain fuse Quatro..... oh I mean 300 wsm 180 gr accubond
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.338 win mag with 200gr accubonds
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#1 - .338-06 , 180gr. accubonds
#2 - .280 , 160 gr. Sierra Game Kings
#3 -.270 , 150gr. Sierra Game Kings
All in Savage Long Action 111s
#4 - 7mm08 , 160 gr. Sierra Game Kings
Stevens 200 Short action
Slenk
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100 grain three blade broadhead.
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Marlin 38-55
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.338 winchester mag, 250 nosler partition
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30-378 weatherby
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I use a .300Win Mag w/ 168gr Barnes TSX.......or 50 or 54 cal muzzleloader. But if I were to buy a dedicated elk rifle, I'd get a 338RUM and use 250gr bullets......or maybe 225gr TSX.
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If I were to go back to rifle hunting elk it would be with a .300 wm, .280 Rem would be a close second :twocents:. Think I'll stick with my bow.
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BowTech Black Knight, Carbon Express topped with a 125 gr. Thunder Head.......... ;)
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30.06 165 grain partitions!!! Smokes em! actually Ive only shot one elk so smoked IT!! ha
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338-06 210 nosler partion
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.300 weatherby mag mark v deluxe...... used to be my fav.... the last 12 years.... now shooting a .30-.378 weatherby mark v accumark... shooting a 180 grain accubond...
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.300RUM
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.338 Win Mag.
They get that look :o :owhen you hit 'em with it!
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1. 338-06 210grns. Nosler Partition
2. 7X57 Mauser 160grns Barnes TSX
3. 8X57 Mauser 180grns Barnes TSX
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1962 Remmy 700 in 264 Win Mag!!! ;)
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340 grain arrown and 125 grain broadhead
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300 RUM 180 grain Burger
338 RUM 210 grain Burger
Both are dead...
Archery... The T-Lock really does a great job on an elk.
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.300RUM
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I handload it with 165 grain balistic tips
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270 WSM barnes TSX bullets
and for the brush Marlin 45/70 with those leverevolutions 325 grain I believe
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30-06! It ain't sexy but it tips 'em over!
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#1 Browning BAR .30-06, 180gr Rem cor-lokt handload
#2 Remington 760 pump, .308 win, same bullet
#3 Remington 760 pump carbine (peep sights), .30-06, same bullet
#4 savage 99, .300 savage (peep sights), same bullet
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Carbon Express Arrow with a Muzzy three blade 125 grain broadhead. 310fps and 76 ft. pounds of heart stopping energy.
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Ruger M77 MKII 7mm Rem Mag all weather. Handloaded with 63 gr of IMR 4831 and a 154 gr Hornaday interlock. 4 shots in a quarter size sticker at 200 yards! :IBCOOL: For me thats good all around. I do love the 7mm-08 for deer though handloaded with 139 gr hornaday interlocks.
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270 140 GRAIN ACCUBOND :hello:
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338 Rem Ultra Mag, 250 flat base triple shock X bullet with 97.5 gr. of R19 :yike:
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I've actually killed more with my bow and a 100gr muzzy and my 243 :chuckle:
Bow - 5 kills (5 shots)
243 - 2 kills (2 shots)
338 ultra - 1 kill (ya only 1 shot)
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.338........... sucks on coyotes.... softball size exits :bdid:
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3 blade Montec :) Course if was using a rifle, I'd use a 7STW. If building an elk only gun, it'd be a 338 Win.
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Swickey Broadhead, wood arrows, feather fletch. 62# Recurve, instinctive.
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:)325wsm 220grn. power point
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first elk was with a winchester 94 in 32 winchester special with factory 170 grainers.
the rest have been with my 30-06, 165 grain Nosler Solid Base (LONG out of production...I had 1000 of them) over a solid dose of IMR 4350. Now working on a TSX/MRX load as well as some others.
Also want to try out my R-700 in 35 Whelen Ackley Improved with a 225-250 grainer.
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i was using my remington.308 with 150gr noslar partition. but i just bought a model 700 7mm mag using 160 gr noslar
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300 H&H 180 gr. Nosler partitions, but this season changed to 180gr Barnes
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.50 BMG. Shooting PMC brass with 600 grain Barnes - X bullets. Drops them in there tracks out to 2000 meters.
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Now working on a TSX/MRX load as well as some others.
Also want to try out my R-700 in 35 Whelen Ackley Improved with a 225-250 grainer
I have a 35 Whelen Ackley Improved built on a Mauser 98, shoot 225 Partitions and am working on load for 225 TSX's.
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.270 WSM 140 grain berger VLD
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.270 WSM 140 grain berger VLD
Would you share your load information? Just started to load the 150gr. VLD.
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Muzzy broadhead, 450grain carbon stick @ 15 yards!
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All good answers, but I have seen too many of my friends get caught up in high horse power rifles that they can't shoot. I would take a well placed shot from a smaller caliber anyday over a bad shot from a gun I am scared to shoot. I myself prefer a carbon stick with a sharp point. :P
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:yeah:
I remember twenty years ago when the .30-06 was considered the best elk gun out there. I remember ten years ago when the 7mm or the .300 mag was considered the best elk gun out there. Today all I read about is how anything less than a .338 and your just wasting your time because everything else is just too light. What has happened to our elk has their hide somehow started to grow kevlar? Why was the .30-06 okay back in the day but is now far too weak? I think people are trying to compensate for poor shot placement. Think about this my bow has maybe 75 foot poundsof kinetic energy and if put through a bulls lungs the guy wont make it 50 yards. A .30-06 has like what 2,000 lbs of kinetic energy and today is considered too light. What are people and magazines thinking?
But to answer the question I'd use a BowTech Admiral firing a 10gpi carbon arrow with a 125 grain 3-blade muzzy. If I couldn't use that then I'd use my T/C Blackdiamond XTR .50cal with 100 grains of pyrodex pellets firing a 250 Hornady SST-ML. If I couldn't use that then I'd use my Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 firing a 180 grain Nosler Partition. If I couldn't use that then I'd tie my K-Bar to a broom stick and chase em down on foot. If I couldn't use that then I'd jump out of a tree and roundhouse kick them to the face like Chuck Norris. :) :bdid:
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Did anybody read the article in this months issue of Rifle magazine? It really good, it talked about how big guns don't really make much of a difference on game. It is all about placement.
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My neighbor has killed about 30 elk in his life including some nice mature bulls and the only rifle he owns is a Winchester chambered in .270. According to most magazines that is far too light to kill an elk. I believe that there are about 30 elk or so that would disagree with that statement.
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The next best thing around is a good pair of running shoes so you can get your tag on it before sombody else does.
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Since I was a kid I've shot a 300 Weatherby Mag usually 165 gr. Nosslers or 180 gr. Nosslers. It's what dad raised me on and seemed to always work fine. I like they way they reach and touch em, elk or deer. A 300-400 yrd. shot is never a question when it comes to pullin the trigger and knowing it will knock them down no prob.
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If I am rifle hunting it is my .300 Wby with 165 gr. Hornady Innerbonds loaded to 3455 fps.
If I am Bow Hunting It is a Gold Tip Big Game 100+ tipped with a 3 blade fixed broadhead of some sort. 450 to 480 grains at 280-300 fps out of my Hoyt with an 80 pound draw +-.
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Since I was a kid I've shot a 300 Weatherby Mag usually 165 gr. Nosslers or 180 gr. Nosslers. It's what dad raised me on and seemed to always work fine. I like they way they reach and touch em, elk or deer. A 300-400 yrd. shot is never a question when it comes to pullin the trigger and knowing it will knock them down no prob.
I hope I didn't come off as a big bore basher. There is nothing wrong with a bigger gun like the .300 mag. It's a great caliber especially for elk. I was just trying to point out the trend in the past 30 years in magazines that have decided that the "perfect" guns 20 years ago are now far too light for elk. I think many are trying to compensate big magnums for poor shot placement. If you grew u on the 300 I'm sure that you are an excellant shot with it. Unfortunately many people are scared of the kick and can't shoot for crap. I was always taught that shot placement was far more important than a big bang.
Ironically while gun and hunting magazines (the "experts") tell you that bigger is better and use nothing less than a .338. All of the books written by guides that I have read always shy away from the bigger calibers because they know most can't handle those big guns. They preach shot placement above all. And they are the experts.
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300 win mag
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Since I was a kid I've shot a 300 Weatherby Mag usually 165 gr. Nosslers or 180 gr. Nosslers. It's what dad raised me on and seemed to always work fine. I like they way they reach and touch em, elk or deer. A 300-400 yrd. shot is never a question when it comes to pullin the trigger and knowing it will knock them down no prob.
I hope I didn't come off as a big bore basher. There is nothing wrong with a bigger gun like the .300 mag. It's a great caliber especially for elk. I was just trying to point out the trend in the past 30 years in magazines that have decided that the "perfect" guns 20 years ago are now far too light for elk. I think many are trying to compensate big magnums for poor shot placement. If you grew u on the 300 I'm sure that you are an excellant shot with it. Unfortunately many people are scared of the kick and can't shoot for crap. I was always taught that shot placement was far more important than a big bang.
Ironically while gun and hunting magazines (the "experts") tell you that bigger is better and use nothing less than a .338. All of the books written by guides that I have read always shy away from the bigger calibers because they know most can't handle those big guns. They preach shot placement above all. And they are the experts.
You definitely didn't come across as a big bore basher. I didn't take it that way at all. As a matter of fact, I apologize if I came across defensively. I totally agree with shot placement being very important to a kill. I have many friends that shoot 30-30's and 30-06's and do just fine. I have a friend I'm trying to help teach how to hunt here in this state that is from Alabama that was raised to shoot at the neck. I know you can kill with neck shots but never attempt them as I don't believe it is a good place to hit an animal and it be an ethical kill. My :twocents: Seen game run way to far from neck shots and knowing they would eventually die but couldn't track or they run on private land and that's all she wrote. I get a kick though out of the reaction I get when I fire the 300 cannon :chuckle: If folks aren't expecting it they usually leave one of these :crap:
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The next best thing around is a good pair of running shoes so you can get your tag on it before sombody else does.
Amen to that, when a friend and young son spotted a spike and got set up for a shot, they took a shot then it sounded like they fired the first shot in a gunfight! over twenty shots by 6 different people before said elk was down. damn lucky no one got hurt that day!
Since I was a kid I've shot a 300 Weatherby Mag usually 165 gr. Nosslers or 180 gr. Nosslers.
I used to have one of those and loved it put over 1200 rounds thru it before I traded it off, now I have a pin in my left arm that limits my tolerance for recoil and my other shoulder has been ripped 3 times. I prefer not to shoot anything bigger than an 06 case. the last 4 elk I've gotten were taken with a 270 (3) and a 25-06 (1) they can't be anymore than dead anyway right?
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.270 WSM 140 grain berger VLD
Would you share your load information? Just started to load the 150gr. VLD.
no problem, im new to reloading, i just started reloading with a friend that has been doing it for years. i will get back to you on what we have
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Buchshot you didn't come across as defensive at all. I realized that I had talked alot of trash and didn't back it up with a disclaimer. I was just making sure no one thought I was bashing their rifle decision. The .300 mag is an excellant gun and if I had the choice of buying a strictly elk gun it would be the .300 win. mag. I'd hang on to that weatherby that is a really nice gun and is worth alot of dinero.
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30-06 165gr BTSP
1 shot. :cue:
I still have the rest of the box in the safe. I figure at this rate I won't have to buy bullets for 2o yrs. :IBCOOL:
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OK. So, I just started chasing elk out here in WA. First year all I had was my trusty Marlin .30-30 that I'd always used for deer. Let's just say my rifle drew some interesting looks in the elk woods. This past year I did go out and buy a new rifle for elk--.338 RUM. I don't mind the kick, and I like the idea of the longer reach. Hunting in MI before I can't say I ever really tried to picture a 200 yard shot, but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility anymore. So, I did get on the big gun bandwagon for elk.
Now here's the real question. Both my kids just finished their hunter's safety courses this year, and if they go, I was thinking I'd have my daughter carry the .30-30. I can pretty much guarantee she won't be shooting at anything longer than 100 yards, and more likely than not, less than that.
Thoughts?
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Sure. This is usually where someone reminds us of how great shot placement is key, and how even a .243 is deadly on elk. My thought is that a .30-30 is a bit too small for elk. But under 100yards...up close and personal a 30-30 is probably fine. Really a tough question for sure. Lots of elk have fallen to this caliber, but optimally I would go a with something like a .270 or .280 for a young shooter.
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338RUM=sweet elk cartridge :drool:. 30-30.........like ICE says it will work for close shots.
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well lessee here....I took my 1st through 4th elk with a winchester 94 in .32 winchester Special using Winchester factory 170 grain FP....5th with a .69 caliber musket using RB and Nos 6-11 with a 30-06 with a 165 grain Nosler Solid Base. they FURTHEST one went under its own power afterwards was about 100 yards..that was with the musket. Next farthest was about 30 feet, which then SLID 400+ feet down into the canyon..... Now i try mightily to anchor them where they stand. Usually succeed.
I DO however have a Winchester M-70 in 300WM warming up in the bullpen...we shall see what i hunt with this year...on a Multi-season tag.
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270 140 GRAIN ACCUBOND :hello:
:yeah:
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.300 win. mag. 180 nosler partitions :hunter:
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I shoot a 300 wsm like alot of these guys from what I see, mine is a custom built with a bull barrel it shoots hand loaded 165 nosler accubond I've dropped two elk with two shots no problems!
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125 gr. montec broad head :chuckle: :chuckle: :IBCOOL: Shot out of a bowtec of course :chuckle:
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I shoot a 300 wsm like alot of these guys from what I see, mine is a custom built with a bull barrel it shoots hand loaded 165 nosler accubond I've dropped two elk with two shots no problems!
i bet thats fun to pack.
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TEN POINT CROSSBOW WHACK UM AND STACK UM
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TEN POINT CROSSBOW WHACK UM AND STACK UM
Jackie Bushman... is that you?
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1959 Browning Belgium bolt action rifle in .264 WinMag :IBCOOL:
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Any quality lead bullet between 140-300 grains shot accurately is. The width, shape, or type of case that shoots that bullet is not that important. Favorite? I'd take a 180 grain quality .30" wide bullet that shoots with enough powder to accurately hit a target to 500 yards.
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30-06, Browning A Bolt, left hand version, spitting out Hornady Light Mag. 165 grain Interbond. I use the same ammo for deer and elk, the rifle just loves them so I don't mess with it.
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I grew up shooting a 7mm and loved it but when I went to Canada I saw what a .338 did to a moose at 600 yards I had to have one. I bought one last year and used it to get my elk and he dropped at 430 yards.
.338 is the way to go
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The largest bullet you can shoot accuratly. But I just stick with the 300wsm 200 grain accubond.
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Do you handload your 300 WSM for a 200 grain bullet or are they factory? I just ordered a 300 wsm and am looking into the factory ammo available.
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50 cal muzzle 300 grn ballastic tip or 30-06 180 grn
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Heavily, 200 grain are handloads. Shot winchester supremes 180 grain accubonds before that
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Handloaded 30-06 with Nosler 165 gr partition bullets. I've got them loaded, but haven't had the chance to put them into an elk yet. Others have made the point well, and I will concur, that being comfortable shooting your rifle is worth a lot of ft-lbs of downrange energy.
Use your big guns if you can shoot them, but I will "stick to my guns" (for myself).
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I shoot a 300 wsm like alot of these guys from what I see, mine is a custom built with a bull barrel it shoots hand loaded 165 nosler accubond I've dropped two elk with two shots no problems!
i bet thats fun to pack.
[/qu ote] Hey thats what my dad said and yeah its heavy but your only young and dumb once! :chuckle: I'm sure someday I'll leave it on the big hikes but for now it's sweet to use for at&t shots it you know what I mean ;)
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My WIN Model 70 ss 300 wsm loves 180 gr. Barnes Triple Shocks. That will do it.
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Marlin® 444 w/290gr BTB LFNGC in the Black Timber.
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Good old 30-06 with 180 gr, seems to do the job.
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30-378 with 180 barnes x, flat shooting big game hammering stud of a round , that is next to a sharp stick.
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I like a 125 grain broadhead !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOOPPPSSS may wrong place for this !!!
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270 Ruger MKII w/ 150gr seirra spitzer 4831 IMR does the trick for me. My son has a 30-06 Greman Mauser that he'll be using this fall we're thinkin 180gr nosler Partions w/ 4831 IMR or hogdon pwdr. I'm muzzleloading this fall for elk with my deceased uncles T/C Hawkens 50 cal I haven't bought my bulltes yet, but I thinklin for T/C shockwaves sabots 300gr or Hornadys sabots 300gr. since we can use jacketed bullets this yr. Any suggestions?
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50 cal. Muzzleloader,120 grains of powder. Gonna try the shockwave sabot at about 300 grains
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Hoyt Alpha Max 32. 70lb draw weight. Easton ST Excel Arrows. 125 grain G5 Stryker Broadheads.
.50 T/C Black Diamond XT. 100 Grains American Powder Loose, 300 Grain Hornady SST easy load.
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Put me down for a 30-06 shooting 180gr Core-Lokts. Does the job for me.
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I have been shooting a .300 Weatherby Mag with 180 Noslers since 1982. From a mouse to a moose nothing walks off at the crack of the gun. I am sure if you could ask the 12 bulls, 3 cows and over 40 deer they would agree. :chuckle: Just retired my classic 1962 German made Mark V .300 :IBCOOL: and its replacement a .300 Weatherby Vanguard SUB MOA came out swinging too. Opening day 2008 deer was an O.S.O.K. (One Shot One Kill) for the new gun.
That 3 point Blacktail was the newest member of the .300 Weatherby O.S.O.K. Club. :chuckle:
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I like the 30s, with good constructed bullets in the 165-200 range shot at velocities in the 2800-3300 range.
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I've killed elk with a 358 Win, 325 WSM and even the Hoary old 45-70. I've settled on a 30-378 with 210 VLDs.
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Ruger #1 shooting a 375 h&h mag and a 270 gr nosler partion. you can kill anything with a 22 if you can hit it in the right spot, but in this brush I like to add a little horse power.
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.30-06 w/ remington factory 180's
7.62x54R w/ S&B 180's
.30-30 w/remington 170's....(Marlins or Savage not some winchester "thing")
hunt close, shot placement.
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.50 cal Knight with 295 gr powerbelts, 100 gr pyrodex pellets and musket caps. I've killed two elk with this combo and both times the bullet came to rest just under the hide on the opposite side. Dosn't get much beter than that.
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:mgun:
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:mgun:
No No No, that is the Duck gun, elk and deer are O.S.O.K ( One Shot One Kill ) which means NO Trigger time. Duck and goose hunting is where we get trigger time :IBCOOL:
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SAVAGE 7mm-08 w/ accutrigger. :IBCOOL:
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M77 338 WM with 225 gr Accubonds
For the brush beating moments, 444 Marlin and Hornaday Leverolution's.
Semi-Retired and the back-up to the 338, M77 7 mag with 175 gr Partitions.
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300 win mag w/ 180 gr handloads....
But I just bought a 7mm RUM, we'll see how it does with 140 gr barnes ttsx.
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264 win mag... Nail driver
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300 wsm with 180 accubonds works evey time.
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7MM RM from a Browning BAR with Federal Premium 150 GR BTSP