Post by: wolfbait on April 26, 2015, 10:30:14 PM
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/arctic-wolves-walk-right-up-to-workers-and-sniff-them/
Post by: lokidog on April 26, 2015, 11:17:33 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on April 27, 2015, 08:26:06 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2015, 09:01:09 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 09:32:01 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
Post by: mfswallace on April 27, 2015, 09:33:25 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
:'(
Post by: lokidog on April 27, 2015, 09:36:26 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
Well, guess it doesn't matter since we already have dogs, we don't need any more. I can guarantee our dogs didn't come from an adult wolf deciding to hang with the caveman gang. In fact, they probably came from wolf puppies that were orphaned after our ancestors KILLED THEIR MOMMA!
Post by: bearpaw on April 27, 2015, 10:05:53 AM
Post by: kodiak 907 on April 27, 2015, 10:12:35 AM
Post by: skeeter 20i on April 27, 2015, 10:21:27 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 27, 2015, 12:53:39 PM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
Neither dogs nor wolves are in any danger today. There are way too many of either.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 27, 2015, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 27, 2015, 01:19:18 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Post by: 2labs on April 27, 2015, 08:48:38 PM
Post by: Dan-o on April 27, 2015, 08:59:25 PM
That would scare the crap out of me.
Post by: lokidog on April 27, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Tell that to all the people permanently disfigured or killed by your "loyal companion
Post by: bearpaw on April 28, 2015, 04:20:17 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Here's what I know about Val Geist:
He lives in an area with abundant wolves on Vancouver Island, he has first hand experience with wolves exhibiting the same behavior as those wolves in the video, and he is Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, Faculty of Environmental Design, University of Calgary. Because he does not blindly support unmanaged wolf populations the wolf groups dislike him! :twocents:
Post by: lokidog on April 28, 2015, 08:11:31 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Tell that to all the people permanently disfigured or killed by your "loyal companions", and these are the ones that didn't grow up "wild". :bash: If our domesticated dogs can still do that, what do you think these non-domesticated ones will do given the chance? You sir, have your head in the sand regarding wolves. :twocents: Also, you failed to address the hypothetical caveman who, I am certain, did not take in an adult wolf.....
That was weird, guess I have to be careful with brackets.
Post by: wolfbait on April 28, 2015, 09:01:53 AM
If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Fear keeps you from learning things? What a crock of crap, Sitka.
As far as False "knowledge" you probably have a pretty good handle on that department as you seem to spread it at a rather rapid rate.
I could fill several pages of false knowledge that the pro-wolf sides have been spewing since the beginning of the wolf issue, and even though it has been proven to be false you and your ilk continue to spew the same crap. Judging from your knowledge of wolves so far, you probably shouldn't drivel about anyones ancestors.
It doesn't matter if it is Val Geist or ?, if they don't support the pro-wolf agenda, the pro-wolf crowd will try to discredit them. So much for your fear theory.
Val Geist has probably forgot more about wolves then you will ever know, but then you already know that and don't care, after all, the pro-wolf agenda has never been about honesty and still isn't.
WHEN DO WOLVES BECOME DANGEROUS TO HUMANS?
This two-part report was written with the understanding that the readers would be members of a jury and the judiciary in a coroner’s inquiry into the death of 22 year old Kenton Carnegie. That is, missing here is an account of how Kenton Carnegie lost his life, except in so far as it can be deduced from the second part of this report, which addresses the question, who and what killed and consumed Kenton Carnegie. I was asked By Kenton’s parents to look into the matter, as a fairly clear-cut case of wolf-predation was obfuscated by public claims that not wolves, but a black bear had done it. The motive appears to have been to perpetuate in the public media the myth of the harmless wolf, of a predator that does not attack people. This myth was the subject of investigation in the first essay, “When do wolves become dangerous to humans?”. It is a lethal myth unsupported by current or historical information. That investigation led to some very odd insights, but also exposed flawed scholarship. Wolves can become exceedingly dangerous to people under the appropriate circumstances, and the tale about little Red Riding hood was based – alas – not on myth or superstitions, but on sound evidence! The inability of scientists to deal with historical scholarship is here partially to blame. In the second part of my report I go about examining the evidence pertaining to the death of Kenton Carnegie, concluding that wolves killed Kenton.
Sincerely, Valerius Geist,
Read more @
http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/Dr%20Geist/Dr.%20Valarius%20Geist-%20%20Carnegie-2%20part%20article.pdf
Post by: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AM
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Post by: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:16:24 AM
Arctic Wolves Walk Right Up to Workers and “Sniff” Them
http://wolfeducationinternational.com/arctic-wolves-walk-right-up-to-workers-and-sniff-them/
Finally watched this. That video scares the s@#$ out of me and the people filming it should have been bothered. Nothing about those wolves' behavior is friendly. If that were a domestic dog acting like that I'd be super uneasy.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 28, 2015, 11:00:41 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 28, 2015, 01:13:16 PM
Post by: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 01:42:51 PM
If it were domestic and a pit bull, I'd have my carry out and pointed.
It's an experience with a Pit that I was thinking of when I wrote that. Had been "roading" my dog on the bike...the dog had a head that could have swallowed my Pointer's, walked right up my driveway after it followed us, with no behavior that I would associate as friendly in a dog, and I wound up pinned by my fence with my dog and bike between me and the pit. Fortunately the bird dog didn't decide to be a stud, but when I made a move forward I got growled at.
Those wolves are exhibiting carbon copy behavior in that video. Not attacking, but one wrong move...
Post by: villageidiot on April 29, 2015, 09:37:45 PM
Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!
Post by: AspenBud on April 29, 2015, 09:56:57 PM
Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!
Coyotes have them beat in the lower 48, that includes cattle (probably calves). It's not even a contest. For now...
Post by: grundy53 on April 29, 2015, 10:33:16 PM
Only because of sheer numbers.Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!
Coyotes have them beat in the lower 48, that includes cattle (probably calves). It's not even a contest. For now...
Post by: grundy53 on April 29, 2015, 10:37:16 PM
Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6I like how you conveniently limit it to North America. How about we widen the parameters to all areas where people live with wolves. Also let's not forget that bears are found throughout North America. Not just where there are wolves.
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Post by: AspenBud on April 30, 2015, 06:20:35 AM
Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6I like how you conveniently limit it to North America. How about we widen the parameters to all areas where people live with wolves. Also let's not forget that bears are found throughout North America. Not just where there are wolves.
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Because this isn't Russia.
Nowhere in what I wrote did I say they couldn't become more of a threat.
The bear stats I posted involved incidents mainly from Canada. Only a couple were in the US.
Post by: AspenBud on April 30, 2015, 06:25:15 AM
Only because of sheer numbers.Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!
Coyotes have them beat in the lower 48, that includes cattle (probably calves). It's not even a contest. For now...
Correct
Post by: grundy53 on April 30, 2015, 06:26:34 AM
But the wolves over there are still wolves right?Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6I like how you conveniently limit it to North America. How about we widen the parameters to all areas where people live with wolves. Also let's not forget that bears are found throughout North America. Not just where there are wolves.
Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0
The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.
(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Because this isn't Russia.
Nowhere in what I wrote did I say they couldn't become more of a threat.
The bear stats I posted involved incidents mainly from Canada. Only a couple were in the US.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 30, 2015, 06:46:48 AM
Post by: AspenBud on April 30, 2015, 06:54:29 AM
The numbers of wolves, coyotes, bears, etc., really have no bearing on this thread. It's pretty obvious to anyone who's familiar with predator characteristics what these wolves are up to - sizing up their prey for a possible meal. Whether or not we have way more coyotes and bears than wolves also makes little difference. Not only are the wolves here to stay, but they're nowhere near done populating our state and the Northern US. If they're not as dangerous, prolific, or having as large an impact on ungulates and livestock as the others, it's only a matter of time before they do. I, for one, can't wait until the Commission gets its head out of its collective dark place and allows us to start putting rugs up on the wall. I know that the unfortunate victims of government incompetence who live in the NE corner of our state feel the same way.
I generally agree with this.
Post by: Axle on April 30, 2015, 07:18:59 AM
I'm also guessing somebody at that facility has been feeding them on occasion.
Post by: kodiak 907 on April 30, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
I'm guessing those wolves are habituated to humans. The behavior in the video sure makes it look that way.
I'm also guessing somebody at that facility has been feeding them on occasion.
:yeah: