Post by: quadrafire on April 30, 2015, 09:38:35 AM
This is for self protection, not hunting ;)
Post by: Kittman on April 30, 2015, 10:04:14 AM
One time I did this and ran into a sow with her 2 cubs and all I had was a Marlin lever action .22 LR to make noise with if it came down to that. At about 80 yards away I finally yelled at her and they decided to be somewhere else.
I'll be taking 629 w/an ammo mix of Winchester factory 240 grain JSP and some that I reloaded with Hornady 300 grain XTP bullets. And do not forget the earplugs!
Post by: quadrafire on April 30, 2015, 10:14:33 AM
Is your Marlin a 39A by chance?
Post by: headshot5 on April 30, 2015, 10:16:59 AM
Post by: CP on April 30, 2015, 10:19:26 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2118195819/buffalo-bore-ammunition-44-special-255-grain-lead-keith-type-semi-wadcutter-gas-check
Post by: Kittman on April 30, 2015, 10:20:00 AM
Thanks kittman.
Is your Marlin a 39A by chance?
Yes, it's a Golden 39A, new about 2006.
Post by: quadrafire on April 30, 2015, 10:36:58 AM
I have a Golden 39A circa late '60s. Love that gunThanks kittman.
Is your Marlin a 39A by chance?
Yes, it's a Golden 39A, new about 2006.
Post by: magnumb on April 30, 2015, 01:48:21 PM
For those of you packing a 44 mag while out and about. What is your go to ammo? Start with factory and if you hand load something that you like.
This is for self protection, not hunting ;)
I only handoad for the .44 Mag.
Healthy dose of H110, Win. large pistol primers, Win. brass and 300gr. 'Beartooth Bullets' (WFNHCGC).
I do sometimes hunt with this load, but I initially put it together for just the same reason that you are also inquiring about .44 Mag. loads......personal protection while afield.
These particular bullets are as hard as lead gets, but that is exactly what I want. If a bear (which is my main conern) is what I need stopped, this bullet and load will penetrate most all, if not all, of this bear breaking bones and anything else in it's way. In such a situation, I prefer 'stopping' and/or 'breaking it down' immediately results, not bullet expansion. Alot of both would also be preferable, but given they don't necessarily go hand in hand, I opt for these bullets and that load......for those reasons.
Good luck to you as I'm sure that there will be lots of varying suggestions. I'm always open to new ideas, as well, so thanks for startin' this thread...... :tup:.
Post by: quadrafire on April 30, 2015, 02:32:05 PM
Looks like i'll need to pick up a set of dies.
Post by: Kittman on April 30, 2015, 02:54:18 PM
Post by: mountainman on April 30, 2015, 03:39:08 PM
:yeah:For those of you packing a 44 mag while out and about. What is your go to ammo? Start with factory and if you hand load something that you like.
This is for self protection, not hunting ;)
I only handoad for the .44 Mag.
Healthy dose of H110, Win. large pistol primers, Win. brass and 300gr. 'Beartooth Bullets' (WFNHCGC).
I do sometimes hunt with this load, but I initially put it together for just the same reason that you are also inquiring about .44 Mag. loads......personal protection while afield.
These particular bullets are as hard as lead gets, but that is exactly what I want. If a bear (which is my main conern) is what I need stopped, this bullet and load will penetrate most all, if not all, of this bear breaking bones and anything else in it's way. In such a situation, I prefer 'stopping' and/or 'breaking it down' immediately results, not bullet expansion. Alot of both would also be preferable, but given they don't necessarily go hand in hand, I opt for these bullets and that load......for those reasons.
Good luck to you as I'm sure that there will be lots of varying suggestions. I'm always open to new ideas, as well, so thanks for startin' this thread...... :tup:.
Post by: lee on May 01, 2015, 07:02:54 AM
LOUD does not begin to describe this pistol :yike:
Post by: magnumb on May 01, 2015, 11:31:50 AM
A few weeks prior to my hunt, he told me about guiding another client in essentially the same area that we would be huntin'. These are high-horse hunts. He told me about this particular client shooting a black bear, but the shot was rushed and not well placed. His client then became quite unwilling to want to help track down the wounded bear, especially when darkness was closing in fast.....not to mention the cold in mid-November. Tom, being both a true sportsman and a bit fearless, employed both his very efficient Sure Fire flashlight and his much used and trusted Taurus 4" .41 Mag loaded with 210gr. JHP Hornady XTP's.
The bear was holed up in a rather thick brushy area and Tom could hear brush crackin' and the usual snorts and grunts of an animal not nearly on deaths doorstep. He was not emitting sounds truly indicative of those associated with 'death throes'. Tom cautiously made his way closer to the bear leaving an escape avenue for both as most of the thicket was encircled by rather steep terrain. Within what he figured to be 10 or so yards of the wounded bear, it either decided to charge him or was just looking to put as much distance between him and Tom....who knows, but it didn't matter. Tom's first shot hit the bear in the frontal area of the left shoulder without any sign that he had been hit. This was at about 5 yards. Tom said it became a bit of a blur after that, but 3 more rounds failed to slow this bear down until at arms length, Tom stuck the barrel of his .41 Mag just behind it's left ear and finally ended what really should never have occured in the first place.
I was in the guides cabin when told this story by Tom and another guide was there too and he told me that he was in close enough proximity with his client and that he responded as quickly as possible to where Tom was because he knew that pistol shots can mean only one of two things, especially after shootin' hours...........with neither being good.
Tom retreived five 210gr., .41 Mag bullets from his locker. These were the most universally perfect mushroomed bullets that I have ever personally seen and handled......I mean.....perfect! They were 'huntin' magazine' advertisement perfect......! Their weight retention and expansion diameters, without the instruments necessary to verify this, were completely identical. He had cleaned them up, so that all the particulars of these bullets were easily discerned. For the less dense and dangerous 4 legged critters and for all of the 2-legged suicidal types, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to add this bullet to the 'will work very well' catagory.
No bullet penetrated any deeper than just slightly below the hairline, except for the point blank skull shot which shattered his skull. In reality, all of the shots would be considered point blank.....IMHO. The first frontal shoulder shot did contact dense bone, but proceeded to expend all of it's energies there without causing any major subsequent damage.
Long story a bit longer........Tom rolls his own now and they don't resemble a hollow point in the least nor do they have any copper in them, less perhaps his gas checks.
Post by: mountainman on May 01, 2015, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: mountainman on May 01, 2015, 12:17:17 PM
Post by: Kittman on May 01, 2015, 12:29:51 PM
https://www.sierrabullets.com/store/product.cfm/sn/8615/4295-dia-44-cal-250-gr-FPJ-Match
Post by: magnumb on May 01, 2015, 12:44:20 PM
I'm off the pick-up my new G43.......now that will carry hollow points..... :chuckle:.
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 01, 2015, 12:50:43 PM
Post by: magnumb on May 01, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Really......what else out there is that thickly armored, heavy, big boned, fast, mean and unpredictable that scares us more than a bear..... :dunno:. Sure, cats are perhaps smarter and obviously much quicker, but cats are an overall much more fragile animal. A bit like comparing a deer to an elk.
I load for bear........no pun intended. I fully expect that my load will also dispatch a bull effectively and quite honestly, my .44 Mag and my load are pretty much dedicated to those 2 game animals.
I did take a nice 2 x 2 blacktail buck a few years back with this set-up, but it was totally for the challenge, not out of necessity.
Post by: mountainman on May 02, 2015, 07:00:08 AM
Really cool pics mountainman, congrat's, better yet......pretty convincing...... :tup:be sure to give ys a review :tup:
I'm off the pick-up my new G43.......now that will carry hollow points..... :chuckle:.
Post by: magnumb on May 02, 2015, 08:07:59 AM
I actually bought two G43's. One for a lady friend and one for myself. I own a few others in .40....the G23 and G27. My son owns a G27, as well.
Glock fan? You could say so, but not a raging one, albeit, I would have good reason to be. While not having any 'fail to' anythings with any of my handguns in 40+ years (less a cheapo Jennings 'Raven?' tephlon .22 LR which just would not ever run consistently....you get what you pay for), my Glocks don't need a specific 'diet' of ammo to ensure that they perform flawlessly. Others.....not so much per many reviews and manufacturers recommendations.
I'm expecting the same 'ole historically boring, no nonsense, 'feed me whatever ammo you have on hand' positive results and operation from these new G43's. If not, for whatever reason, I will certainly post those issues here and will then obviously be immediately in direct contact with those that can or should remedy such issues.
But yes......I will certainly post up my experiences with these firearms...... :tup:
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2015, 08:13:39 AM
2" Lew Horton 629 hardcast, close range..
2" barrel?
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Post by: mountainman on May 02, 2015, 01:33:16 PM
2" Lew Horton 629 hardcast, close range..
2" barrel?
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Typo* 3"
Post by: jackelope on May 02, 2015, 03:04:34 PM
2" Lew Horton 629 hardcast, close range..
2" barrel?
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Typo* 3"
Ahh. Cool.
Post by: swift on May 05, 2015, 06:53:28 AM