Post by: jamesfromseattle on April 30, 2015, 04:31:28 PM
I have nearly failed just about every science class I've ever taken... Does anybody else have any insight on how the ocean conditions are looking this year?
I love fishing the straits and the west cost of Vancouver Island but am afraid I'll end up with another empty freezer this summer. It has obviously been a very warm winter so I am a little concerned. Might be time to start exploring some new areas.
Post by: WSU on April 30, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 05, 2015, 11:01:51 AM
Post by: notellumcreek on May 05, 2015, 11:11:17 AM
Post by: Skillet on May 05, 2015, 11:12:03 AM
An large underwater active volcano a couple hundred miles off the west coast is most likely responsible.
You can't be serious...
Post by: JimmyHoffa on May 05, 2015, 11:22:13 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 05, 2015, 11:24:40 AM
An large underwater active volcano a couple hundred miles off the west coast is most likely responsible.
You can't be serious...
Why not..look it up
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on May 05, 2015, 11:32:08 AM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 05, 2015, 11:38:56 AM
Post by: WSU on May 05, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
An large underwater active volcano a couple hundred miles off the west coast is most likely responsible.
You can't be serious...
Why not..look it up
Why not? Lots of reasons. First and foremost, the volcano apparently erupted last week and the warm water has existed for months.
Post by: Skillet on May 05, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
An large underwater active volcano a couple hundred miles off the west coast is most likely responsible.
You can't be serious...
Why not..look it up
Why not? Lots of reasons. First and foremost, the volcano apparently erupted last week and the warm water has existed for months.
:chuckle:
That, and for a quick fun math exercise I decided to try and put it in perspective. The energy it would take to warm the size of the bubble of water (for ease of math I'm assuming it is 1/100th of the volume of the Pacific Ocean, or 700,000 cubic miles of water) only a single degree farenheit would take 6,645,987,532,800,000,000 BTU's. Or, roughly 239,251 megatons of thermal energy.
Considering it is widely acknowledged that Mt. St. Helens produced 24 megatons of thermal energy, for a volcano to raise the temperature of the upper west coast of the US by just 1 degree there would have to be about 9,968 Mt. St. Helens' erupting at once down there (and due to WSU's astute observation, it would have had to happen before the warm water existed :tup:). I'm no geologist, but I think even I would have heard about that happening...
My math might be off a bit, as well as my assumption about the size of the bubble of warm water, but even then it still clearly illustrates that the volcano, or a whole gang of them, is not directly warming that water.
Post by: singleshot12 on May 06, 2015, 12:04:30 PM
Post by: snocohunter on May 06, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 06, 2015, 12:54:10 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 06, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
This year should be lights out for salmon. They may be deep on the coast again, its hard to say until summer, but the Chinook forecast is very good. The straights and sound should be great, with the coho and pink returns, the top 40ft should be on fire starting mid august till Oct.
Good luck.
Post by: WSU on May 06, 2015, 01:08:03 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on May 06, 2015, 01:13:33 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 06, 2015, 01:23:20 PM
Salmon forcasts have been wrong before. A poor forcast would result in low tackle and licence sales.
True, forecasts can be off, but a poor forecast would result in limited seasons set at the North Of Falcon meetings in Cali. They are not going to forecast big numbers just to sell licenses. Over the years whether good or bad forecasts, doesn't seem to have much of an effect on license sales. For me Salmon is a small percentage of why I buy my fishing license. Crab, shrimp, bottom fish and tuna are just as important.
Post by: WSU on May 06, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Post by: Skillet on May 06, 2015, 01:52:49 PM
Not sure why you're having such a hard time believing that deep sea volcanic activity couldn't be responsible for our warmer ocean currents and weather :dunno: The earths center core is as hot as the sun and the heat has to escape somewhere. The Jaun de fuca fault line has been spewing magma for sometime now and has always been a major concern.
I can't believe it because quite simply, the science doesn't bear out your theory.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on May 07, 2015, 01:16:57 PM
I can't believe it because quite simply, the science doesn't bear out your theory.
I understand the math and the BTU it takes to make a temperature change for that mass of water. But even an El Niņo or La Niņa year can have an effect on water temperatures at upper levels. I have to believe that a combination of many forces over time can certainly have an impact. That volcano wasn't just borne... It's been building for hundreds or thousands of years. How long has the surrounding area been warming up? We may never know. Just like one of the lowest snow fall years we've ever seen in the NW. There are things we'll likely never be able to explain. Even with modern science.
-Steve