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Title: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: jackelope on May 15, 2015, 10:53:14 PM
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2015/05/15/washington-men-stripped-montana-hunting-privileges/27408733/

HELENA – Five Washington state men have been stripped of hunting privileges in Montana for five years and ordered to pay $41,000 in fines and restitution for their role in illegally shooting trophy elk in a closed hunting district on the Rocky Mountain Front and failing to check them at a game station.

The case stemmed from a yearlong, two-state poaching investigation by Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks into bull elk shot on private land off Benchmark Road adjacent to the Sun River Game Range.
It involved execution of a search warrant at a home of one of the Washington hunters, gathering DNA evidence from elk antlers, checking game check station records and locating the kill sites based on photos taken by the hunters.
Washington Fish and Wildlife Department police assisted.
Robert MacMillan Jr., 39, and Robert MacMillan Sr., 65, both of Montesano, appeared before Justice of the Peace Michael Swingley in Lewis and Clark County Justice Court on Friday, when they were sentenced after entering plea agreements.
Robert Church, 52, of Raymond, entered his plea via video teleconference.
Brent Schiller, 44, of McCleary, and Ken Mills, 48, of Montesano, previously were sentenced.
The men were charged in connection with shooting six bull elk — five of them trophy size — on the Cobb Ranch near Augusta.
At the time of the shootings, which occurred in 2010, 2011 and 2013, the ranch was part of a hunting district that was closed to bull elk hunting. The Cobb Ranch, which runs a private-lease hunting program, was not aware that the elk had been shot and assisted in the investigation, according to FWP.
The MacMillans turned over the antlers of two of the bulls Friday, and Bryan Golie, a FWP Region 4 investigator, loaded them into the back of his pickup.
"We are starting to see more and more of this kind of stuff," Golie said of Montana big game being illegally shot and taken out of state.
"But it also shows we will cross the country to get these animals back," he added.
He called it a scheme to shoot trophy elk and get them out of the state secretly.
The MacMillans chose not to comment, with Robert MacMillan Sr. saying it would be his word against FWP's.
Golie and Sgt. Dave Holland, another FWP warden, traveled to Washington after requesting that authorities there conduct a search warrant at the home of one of the hunters. All of the hunters also were interviewed at that time.
FWP began investigating in April 2014 after Holland received a complaint from the Cobb Ranch about elk carcasses being found on the ranch. The elk had been quartered, and the heads were gone, with only ribs and legs left behind.
FWP officials linked one of the kill sites to November 2013, based on hunting tag information left behind.
"So now we know roughly when they were killed," Golie said.
That information was then compared to records at the Augusta game check station, where hunters must report deer and elk they shoot.
The records showed that no elk from the ranch had been checked. But FWP investigators did find information about hunters who had checked in deer at the game station, and those deer had been shot in the same area where the elk were taken.
"What really got these guys caught was documentation at the Augusta game check station," Golie said.
Wardens used photos taken by the hunters to find the actual kill sites by walking the area and matching them with the identical surroundings captured in the photos. Shell casings were found at the kills sites, Golie said.
"We put a lot of time into this, hours and hours and hours," Golie said. "Some of these cases are difficult. You can't make every one of them. In this case, we made some very solid cases."
FWP also took core DNA samples of the antlers that were confiscated and compared it to DNA collected at kill sites.
The initial investigation involved elk shot in 2013. It led to investigations of additional elk shot in 2010 and 2011, Golie said.
MacMillan Jr. pleaded guilty to failure to stop and report at a check station, hunting during closed season and unlawful possession, all misdemeanors. A felony count of unlawful possession was dismissed. He was fined $2,085 and order to pay $8,000 in restitution.
MacMillan Sr. pleaded guilty to misdemeanor failure to stop and report at a check station, hunting during a closed season, also a misdemeanor, and felony unlawful possession of a bull elk. He was fined $4,085 and order to pay $10,000 in restitution.
Church pleaded guilty to failure to stop and report at a check station, hunting during a closed season, unlawful possession and hunting over the limit. He was fined $3,585 and order to pay $1,500 in restitution.
Restitution for illegally shooting an elk is $1,000, unless it's a trophy, when restitution is $8,000.
"Basically, the state has put a figure on what their wildlife is worth," Golie said.
In addition to the fines, the men can't hunt in Montana for five years.
Schiller was previously fined $2,085, and Mills, $2,050.
Each man was ordered to pay $8,000 in restitution.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: magnumb on May 16, 2015, 12:16:47 PM
It must be amazingly satisfying and an endless rush of pure pride to talk about and to display such trophies after taking these bulls as illegally as they did.  Just the amount of planning and effort to get away with all of these illegal kills should make them proud for a very long time.......until they didn't.... :tup:.

Unfortunately, this same scenario will play out again in many states next year, the year after that, the year after that...........

Thanks for the post.... ;)
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: mburrows on May 18, 2015, 07:12:27 AM
Wdfw should also revoke their hunting privileges.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: turbo on May 18, 2015, 07:21:36 AM
Pathetic! What a bunch of losers..
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: ghosthunter on May 18, 2015, 07:35:42 AM
Worse is that Washington hunters already have abad reputation in other western states. Mainly for trespass. This sure doesnt help.

Glad they got caught though.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on May 18, 2015, 07:56:51 AM
Pathetic.... Would sure like to see this story come out in our local news (if it already hasn't). 
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: bigtex on May 18, 2015, 08:03:43 AM
Wdfw should also revoke their hunting privileges.
Montana is apart of the wildlife violator compact. As part of the compact if a participating state revokes/suspends your license, then your license is suspended in the other participating states.

These individuals will not be able to hunt in 44 states, including WA.

http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/laws_regs/violator_compact.htm
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: mburrows on May 18, 2015, 08:25:57 AM
Thanks for the share bigtex.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on May 18, 2015, 08:30:59 AM
They went great lengths to poach...  Do any of us really think that 'revoking their hunting privileges here or anywhere else' will stop them from committing such a disrespectful crime again?  The fines are nothing. They should have taken the transport vehicles and all the gear too. They should be on GPS monitor for years to come.

-Steve
Title: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: bobcat on May 18, 2015, 08:39:14 AM
Yes they may still poach but I'd think it would be much more difficult to get away with, if they're legally not allowed to hunt in 44 states.

Just being in the outdoors and in possession of a firearm would be risky. And how would they explain any heads they bring home?
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: Scott68 on May 20, 2015, 11:34:09 PM

For those of you that travel between Montesano and Raymond on Hwy 107, you probably saw one of these mounts hanging in the MacMillan logging shop that is adjacent to Hwy 107, just south of Montesano. 

MacMillan has a newer metal building that is the shop for his logging outfit and he had a HUGE mount hanging in that shop and he would often leave the doors open so that you could see the mount as you drove by on Hwy 107.

A friend and I saw him at a wedding reception shortly after the mount was hung (probably in 2011 or 2012) and we asked him about it.  He showed us pictures of it that he had on his phone, but he was very reluctant to discuss any details of the hunt.  I guess I now know why.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: Gringo31 on May 21, 2015, 10:45:10 AM
Bigtex.....

In your experience with these type of guys that end up with these hefty fines.  What's the pattern later?  Do they...

Behave and learn their lesson after a 5 year time out

Keep poaching because they are addicts and can't stop

Or hang it up all together never hunting again?
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: nw_bowhunter on May 21, 2015, 01:30:42 PM
I'm glad that they were eventually found and charged but the punishment Great job by the Montana Fish and Game!. Will they really fully pay their fines. Jail time should be included IMO.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: Forks on May 21, 2015, 02:02:42 PM
Sr. told my hunting partner they always drew special tags for Cobb Ranch. We knew they were full of it. Feed them to the wolves I say.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on May 21, 2015, 02:13:12 PM
Any of the five members on here?  If so, what user names?
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: MIKEXRAY on May 23, 2015, 06:32:40 AM
I'm surprised Montana just doesn't ban them for life, stupid to be only five years. Washington should do the same.  Amazing how much work went into this, I think they should fine them for the animal and add up all of the hours and bill them for that as well.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: TVHunts on May 23, 2015, 07:18:49 AM
I'm surprised Montana just doesn't ban them for life, stupid to be only five years. Washington should do the same.  Amazing how much work went into this, I think they should fine them for the animal and add up all of the hours and bill them for that as well.

I agree, the countless hours as Golie said they spent,  should be reimbursed by the offender after conviction.  So, after it is all said and done they gave the state 41k between all offenders.  My guess is that doesn't cover one of the investigators wage for 1/2 a year or there about.  It is hard to believe a 5 yr suspension is fitting to the state.   Maybe if it was one year and one elk but, multiple elk over multiple years should carry the 5 yrs per elk per year IMO.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: Stein on May 25, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
Wardens show just had another guy and his wife, I think from WA, with something like 20-30 poached animals.  He claimed he was trying to feed himself, but they were all big bucks and tons of grip & grin pics.  I think he got 6 months house arrest and a few bucks in fines.
Title: Re: Washington men stripped of Montana hunting privileges
Post by: Deer slayer on May 28, 2015, 09:23:25 PM

Bigtex.....

In your experience with these type of guys that end up with these hefty fines.  What's the pattern later?  Do they...

Behave and learn their lesson after a 5 year time out

Keep poaching because they are addicts and can't stop

Or hang it up all together never hunting again?
In my experience they unfortunately don't learn.
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