Post by: Little Dave on June 08, 2015, 10:52:08 PM
The former director has made a number of bad policy decisions, writing a $40K check to wild fish zealot lawyers, closing fisheries, leaving important stakeholders out of the loop. Recently, the awful result from the North of Falcon discussions.
Why is he still involved with the department? Why do we need to pay for this very poor quality advice from Phil Anderson?
Post by: stevemiller on June 08, 2015, 10:55:56 PM
Post by: Little Dave on June 08, 2015, 11:00:51 PM
Post by: stevemiller on June 08, 2015, 11:03:12 PM
Post by: Tbar on June 08, 2015, 11:07:36 PM
Post by: 2labs on June 08, 2015, 11:10:46 PM
This IMO. Would keep libs on there half of the state.
Or not they would still wanna run the show!
Post by: stevemiller on June 08, 2015, 11:11:47 PM
Post by: Skillet on June 08, 2015, 11:27:36 PM
So he will get a few pointers on the fishery I dont mind,If Anderson has done anything good at all it would be in fishery somewhere. :twocents::yeah:
Unsworth would get steamrolled in North of Falcon without some good advice from a guy who's been there and done that, and Unsworth knows that. You may not like all of the outcomes, but having an experienced negotiator at the table during that high-stakes poker game doesn't hurt at all.
Post by: Little Dave on June 09, 2015, 12:13:58 AM
Post by: Skillet on June 09, 2015, 06:33:05 AM
Have a nice day!
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2015, 06:36:15 AM
Post by: Tbar on June 09, 2015, 07:03:32 AM
We could have expected a better result from a block of wood. We need a successful negotiator not an experienced negotiator with a bad record. We were crushed in the North of Falcon negotiations. Not only was it a bad result, precedence has been established to close additional fisheries.I think Anderson supporters are going to surface in large numbers. There are many, many fisheries in the cross hairs and may be lost forever. Once they are gone it will be permanent, with no chance of resurrection. Phil Anderson made some bold moves, it's to be determined what the future holds for Sportsman. Many attacks on the outdoors as we know them now, from many directions. I would welcome Anderson to the team in any capacity, as we need as much help as possible.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 09, 2015, 09:03:56 AM
But as long as it isn't over a year, I think it would be kind of alright to have someone get Unsworth transitioned into the fishing side. But then I think....would you do this with presidents? Would you want Obummer lending his disastrous 'helping hand' to the next guy?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2015, 09:19:11 AM
Post by: Tbar on June 09, 2015, 09:54:45 AM
Post by: ipkus on June 09, 2015, 09:59:52 AM
I think Phil Anderson will be appreciated more in the future than when he held his position. I truly believe he was one of sportsmans best advocates in a long time. Yes even hunting.
That's unfortunate, because Phil was nothing but a shill for the commercial industry and the tribes. Phil said the right things when pinpointed on recreational issues and then did nothing to follow through. Phil was a continuation of the fisheries management disaster that was Koenings.
Post by: Tbar on June 09, 2015, 10:03:42 AM
Those two are not even close to comparable IMO.I think Phil Anderson will be appreciated more in the future than when he held his position. I truly believe he was one of sportsmans best advocates in a long time. Yes even hunting.
That's unfortunate, because Phil was nothing but a shill for the commercial industry and the tribes. Phil said the right things when pinpointed on recreational issues and then did nothing to follow through. Phil was a continuation of the fisheries management disaster that was Koenings.
Post by: ipkus on June 09, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
Post by: grundy53 on June 09, 2015, 10:38:53 AM
I think Phil Anderson will be appreciated more in the future than when he held his position. I truly believe he was one of sportsmans best advocates in a long time. Yes even hunting.
:o :o :o :tdown:
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 09, 2015, 11:34:15 AM
I think Phil Anderson will be appreciated more in the future than when he held his position. I truly believe he was one of sportsmans best advocates in a long time. Yes even hunting.
Even if you mean in view of a worse director, I don't see how that's possible. Whether his direct fault or his choice of section leaders, wildlife was severely neglected under his watch. This is evident in the lack of support received by Todd Vandivert in Operation Cody, the outrageous wolf plan, and the seemingly haphazard methods of other predator management. His lack of any kind of impact statement on I-594 has changed the very nature of Hunter Education and his acquiescence of gubernatorial appointments to the Commission has forever changed the face of wildlife management for the worse in WA. The watchers are making the rules while the hunters pay the bills. :bash:
Post by: renrutbocaj on June 09, 2015, 12:01:47 PM
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Post by: bigtex on June 09, 2015, 03:54:34 PM
:yeah:So he will get a few pointers on the fishery I dont mind,If Anderson has done anything good at all it would be in fishery somewhere. :twocents::yeah:
Unsworth would get steamrolled in North of Falcon without some good advice from a guy who's been there and done that, and Unsworth knows that. You may not like all of the outcomes, but having an experienced negotiator at the table during that high-stakes poker game doesn't hurt at all.
How many times does someone retire and they tell the person that fills their position to call them if they have questions? Happens all the time, no difference here.
Already been said, Unsworth is a wildlife guy with not much fisheries experience. Anderson is definitely a fish guy. Put the two heads together. :twocents:
Post by: Forks on June 11, 2015, 06:02:57 AM
We could have expected a better result from a block of wood. We need a successful negotiator not an experienced negotiator with a bad record. We were crushed in the North of Falcon negotiations. Not only was it a bad result, precedence has been established to close additional fisheries.You really have not a clue as to what goes on as far as negotiating with all 17 (I believe) tribes in Western WA alone. Throw in non tribal commercial fisheries and you have a no win situation for many. As far as the comparison to former Director Koenings, you really need to do a little more research, but your posts do make me laugh.
Post by: Little Dave on June 14, 2015, 08:22:59 PM
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How many times does someone retire and they tell the person that fills their position to call them if they have questions? Happens all the time, no difference here.
Indeed it does happen a lot. Sometimes when the wrong person is consulted, it can be part of the reason why a business fails.
After somewhat of a scandal cutting a big check to a special interest group and changing fish planting policy without involving important stakeholders like sports fisherman, tribes, and dependent industries he should have lost a lot of credibility as both a statesman and good negotiator.
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... as far as negotiating with all 17 (I believe) tribes in Western WA alone. Throw in non tribal commercial fisheries and you have a no win situation for many.
This impotent, spineless attitude of expecting failure will result in failure. We invest a lot of time and money in this mission, we should demand results and require more effective people to represent our interests.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on June 14, 2015, 08:45:25 PM
As long as the democrats hold the office of governorship we are screwed no matter what. The deptmartmemt of ecology director is an Indian women Cherokee and her husband is mixed Indian from many tribes of the Peuget sound area.
She ranted and raved about how Indians are the future of this states environmental future, as some of the graduates were Indian desendants. And that each grad are the future of all that is good in emviromental fight. :bash:
As the lousy potion she holds is a direct appoipntment from his majesty Enslee
At least my daughter believes in hunting and fishing the way I taught her. :tup:
I'm not trying to Indian bash, but the fox is in the hen house as I see it from my area, Skagit valley is a not well drill area now because it might upset the water levels for fish spawning. :bash:
Good thing my well is grandfathered as for now.
Post by: Forks on June 16, 2015, 06:41:08 AM
Post by: Little Dave on June 16, 2015, 05:41:23 PM
On the contrary, there are dozens of people, volunteers, whose names are printed each month in "The Reel News" that would be capable of speaking on behalf of conservation-minded sports fisherman and dependent industries.
Unsworth may yet reach out to the many vocal leaders of sports fishing groups for help in this arena, but he needs to stop relying on Phil Anderson.
Post by: RadSav on June 16, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
Consulting with Anderson seems like a wise choice in preparing for the hostile, political landscape that engulfs that position. I doubt he is asking for policy advise. Most new executives have their own game plan for policy. It's who you can trust, who you need to look out for and what protocall to follow that I expect Unsworth is hoping to get help with :dunno:
Post by: Little Dave on June 16, 2015, 06:51:38 PM
To characterize conservation minded sportsmen who already work with the department and have appeared at senate hearings numerous times as incapable fishing guides is a scrappy argument. There are quite a few well versed and capable people out there ready to step up if tapped.
Post by: stevemiller on June 17, 2015, 05:09:03 PM
Post by: WSU on June 17, 2015, 05:16:40 PM
50% cuts both ways and Unsworth, who I hear encouraging things about, got a crash course in fish politics. Good riddance Anderson is gone and Unsworth will be better off in the future after learning the hard way.
Post by: stevemiller on June 17, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on June 17, 2015, 05:41:40 PM