Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 13, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
Brothers best friend applied with 12 and drew the same tag. So we have 2 of the 26.
I am going to spend the whole season over there. I want a big bull, we hunt hard and put miles on the boots.
I have done some searching on here.
anybody have any good jumping off points.
I will trade summer steelhead trips for good info. I catch summers every day that I fish. I'll even take you and show you what I do.
PM's work for me.
Thank you
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 13, 2015, 12:32:04 PM
Post by: Deer slayer on June 13, 2015, 01:08:04 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 13, 2015, 01:34:31 PM
Post by: fastdam on June 14, 2015, 03:19:46 PM
Post by: buglebuster on June 14, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
Post by: muleyslayer on June 14, 2015, 03:30:05 PM
Post by: muleyslayer on June 14, 2015, 03:46:39 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 14, 2015, 08:29:14 PM
Post by: Deer slayer on June 14, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on June 14, 2015, 09:38:17 PM
Post by: Dan-o on June 14, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
Post by: rtspring on June 14, 2015, 10:12:55 PM
Congrats
Post by: muleyman on June 15, 2015, 06:30:27 AM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 17, 2015, 07:41:47 PM
Post by: jdb on June 17, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
Post by: Vandal44 on June 18, 2015, 08:15:46 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 18, 2015, 08:31:00 PM
stupid phone cant post pics right... :chuckle: :bash:
Post by: stevemiller on June 18, 2015, 08:35:19 PM
Post by: PlateauNDN on June 18, 2015, 08:39:16 PM
Post by: pd on June 18, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
Damn that's steep... :yike: the parts I've been in were steep but not that bad... :bdid: :chuckle:
It's called upside-down elk hunting. The new frontier. 8)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 18, 2015, 08:52:28 PM
My phone does the same thing unless I just edit the pic in my phone gallery and crop it. You can crop virtually nothing and those cropped pics always post right side up... Works for me on my phone doing that method anyways.you see that would work just fine im sure... but id have to learn how to crop it... :chuckle:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on June 18, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Damn that's steep... :yike: the parts I've been in were steep but not that bad... :bdid: :chuckle:thats how he avoided all the hunters! Traded his hoofs in for a new set of suction cups!
Post by: Prohunter270 on June 21, 2015, 03:19:38 PM
Post by: jdb on June 21, 2015, 04:10:11 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on June 21, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
Post by: fastdam on June 22, 2015, 09:33:52 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on June 23, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
You shouldnt need a guide in cowiche. It has great access and there are alot of elk.:yeah:
Post by: Naches Sportsman on June 23, 2015, 07:53:58 PM
You wouldnt want to hire prohunter270 for a guide anyway. He is part of that group up there who is trying to have roads shut down that we have been using since covered wagons first made that trail. He wants to lock us out. Dont give them money:yeah: good advice given in this post.
Post by: Prohunter270 on June 24, 2015, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: goda on June 24, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 24, 2015, 10:07:22 AM
Have a great day and see ya this fall.
I think I'd rather not run into you or your neighbors.
Post by: buglebuster on June 24, 2015, 10:41:25 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 24, 2015, 10:58:36 AM
I don't have beef with you buglebuster, glad you get along with him.
Post by: johnsc6 on June 24, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
We have 2 of them hope we hammer 2 big bulls. We will hunt hard. And hunt deep.
There is no such a place as steep and deep in the Cowiche, its heavily roaded. There are plenty of Elk and some nice bulls in there, just have to play the people as much as the elk.
Try to think of places others overlook :tup:Good luck.
Post by: WAPatriot on June 24, 2015, 11:23:09 AM
I guess bragging about taking matters into your own hands, closing roads and brandishing firearms followed by offering a guide service just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't have beef with you buglebuster, glad you get along with him.
Chill out can I come hunt your private property. I would expect you to say no. Why would someone want more competition when there hunting. Owning 3000 acres is awesome a lot of work but awesome. Internet is full of jealous haters.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 24, 2015, 11:25:00 AM
Chill out can I come hunt your private property. I would expect you to say no. Why would someone want more competition when there hunting. Owning 3000 acres is awesome a lot of work but awesome. Internet is full of jealous haters.
You are excellent at missing the point.
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 24, 2015, 11:36:52 AM
Good luck to everyone with the tag. I hope you all kill a great bull on public land.
Post by: stevemiller on June 24, 2015, 07:32:04 PM
Private is private! There's other ways to get to state land other then driving thru us. If you want to pay taxes every year your more then welcome to drive thru. If it was your land I'm sure you wouldn't want people on it. Have a great day and see ya this fall.:yeah: What kind of guide service do you run?What all comes with your service I guess is what I would like to know?
Post by: Jolten on June 24, 2015, 07:41:43 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on June 24, 2015, 08:02:11 PM
Post by: BAR C3 on June 24, 2015, 08:40:45 PM
I don't have a horse in this race so the only thing I can say is, easements are made so the public don't get locked out of land they own. Some private property owners want the unknowing public to think it's private, that's BS. The public needs to respect the property owners property by not trespassing, shooting or vandalizing property. If damage starts happening to the private property, it's not the public as a whole who should pay, either by locking gates or making people drive many more miles around to go to their property. If someone vandalizes my house or property, it's up to me to figure out how to stop it. I feel for both sides of this issue, people just need to be respectful on both sides. :twocents::yeah:
I'm In same boat as Pro Hunter with cattle and etc. and respect both sides. I will now not be able to shoot on the section of state property behind mine for the same very reasons. State is gating it due to damage, trash, and people shooting beyond berms.
Property owners having bullets flying by them. Vehicles getting shot and etc.
All it takes is a few to ruin it for all! :tup: :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on June 24, 2015, 08:42:23 PM
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Post by: str8meat on June 30, 2015, 07:53:46 PM
Post by: Prohunter270 on June 30, 2015, 09:16:13 PM
(Leave the name calling off of huntwa or you'll be banned.
Thanks,
Jackelope)
Post by: Prohunter270 on June 30, 2015, 09:22:24 PM
(Again, name calling is not permitted)
Post by: str8meat on July 01, 2015, 04:30:47 AM
Post by: fastdam on July 01, 2015, 05:05:02 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 01, 2015, 06:42:30 AM
That's my buddy mike who retired out of state patrol and lives there year round now who pulls guns and kicks you parasites out. Private means private. This year we are renting a security officer and putting a guard shack there to keep the rift raft out. Few bad guys have ruined it when cattle get shot. If you want it so bad it's for sale for 3.3 mill.
Parasites who think they are on a green dot road :dunno: Hope your buddy Mike doesn't pull a gun on the wrong person these days. Hard to believe I'm sure but there are people rougher than Cowiche land owners.
It's obvious that you're mainly concerned with blocking access to public ground. Not people who are trespassing in your fields and timber etc. I am sorry your cows got shot - that's inexcusable.
Post by: Igor on July 01, 2015, 08:52:04 AM
I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
Post by: nw_bowhunter on July 01, 2015, 12:13:34 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on July 01, 2015, 12:33:39 PM
Post by: coachcw on July 01, 2015, 12:35:02 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 01, 2015, 12:45:18 PM
mud lake road . good example of access getting shut off . if only the guy would have done it ten years earlier there may be some bucks left up there.
I'm not tracking coach, are you saying you'd like to see more access shut off?
Post by: coachcw on July 01, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 01, 2015, 02:28:17 PM
I also hope they don't get shot by any loons in that neck of the woods.
Post by: face on July 02, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
Post by: stevemiller on July 02, 2015, 07:03:38 PM
Post by: str8meat on July 03, 2015, 06:41:40 PM
Post by: buglebuster on July 03, 2015, 08:26:01 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on July 04, 2015, 09:05:46 AM
I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
Post by: Igor on July 04, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
However, the fact that it is an "abandoned road" does not mean it is no longer a public easement.....correct ??
Post by: stevemiller on July 04, 2015, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 05, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
Post by: trophyhunt on July 05, 2015, 10:20:44 AM
You all have done a fine job of completely and utterly derailing this guy's elk hunt thread. Solid work.This hunt would be great to follow, I hope it get back on track.
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
Post by: stevemiller on July 05, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 05, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
It wont lol the op. abandoned it.Now he has lost his rights to it. :chuckle: just kidding,The op hasnt posted in this thread since the property owner that wants to be a guide tried to advertise on the forum without permission (you know like a trespass lol.
I don't blame him. Id abandon it too if a bunch of guys jacked my thread ad trashed it too.
Post by: stevemiller on July 05, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
Post by: stevemiller on July 05, 2015, 08:34:37 PM
Post by: Thehowler on July 05, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 07, 2015, 06:29:16 AM
You all have done a fine job of completely and utterly derailing this guy's elk hunt thread. Solid work.
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
I agree with a new thread. To be fair, the OP posted once and the thread wasn't derailed until over a week later ;)
Post by: big t on July 08, 2015, 08:40:09 AM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on July 08, 2015, 07:22:42 PM
I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
However, the fact that it is an "abandoned road" does not mean it is no longer a public easement.....correct ??
My understanding from the DNR Manager...
The public easement is maintained by the DNR. If the DNR chooses to "abandon interest" in the easement, then the DNR "assumes" the adjacent property owner (in my case Deadman Creek Outfitters) will maintain the easement themselves, assuming the adjacent property owner has a interest in using the easement to access their land etc. Thus no public access will ever be granted.
Second issue...
If there is NO easement in place between the DNR and adjacent property owner (s). The DNR can negotiate with the adjacent property owner (s) to create at easement of mutual understanding and agreement. A map of the easement showing access routes etc. has to be filed with the court and paid for by the DNR, adjacent land owner (s), or BOTH.
Third issue...
As a member of the public, you can contact the DNR and have them negotiate the easement (access route) to the public land you are attempting to access; however YOU have to file it with the court and pay for it out of your OWN pocket. You can try to get the adjacent land owner (s) to help pay for it, but not likely. Why would they, as they likely don't want to provide access in the first place. The DNR has to represent you.
Fourth issue...
If an easement is in place between the DNR and the land owner. The public has a right to access it, using the "specific access route" negotiated between the DNR and the adjacent land owner (s). You have to contact the DNR to make sure a public access route exists. Notify them of the date and time you choose to use the easement, so the DNR can notify the adjacent land owner (s) of you presence.
I spent weeks working with the DNR Manager in South Eastern WA last Summer. I asked a ton of questions, reviewed polices, maps, etc. trying to gain access to specific areas, which were land locked. The biggest issue I ran into was "abandon interest" in easements, which prevented me from accessing public land. To be honest; I felt like everyone was in on keeping the public out, as they had all their bases covered and made it impossible to find a work around.
This was my understanding from the DNR Manager. Perhaps I did not uncover everything, but I spent 1 day a week for 4 months at their office working with them.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on July 08, 2015, 07:28:44 PM
Start your research now...
Post by: bobcat on July 08, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
The problem is, landowners end up gating these and nobody does anything about it. It may require someone to take the landowner to court to establish the public's right to use that road.
Post by: GameHunter1959 on July 09, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
This may not necessarily be an issue of whether the DNR easement is a public easement or not. It could also be that the road that has been in use for decades by the public is a county road.
The problem is, landowners end up gating these and nobody does anything about it. It may require someone to take the landowner to court to establish the public's right to use that road.
Agreed..
My understanding is that if it is a county road, then the DNR can look it up in their computer to see if it is listed as "abandon" or not. If the county chooses to "abandon" their interest in maintain the road then the only way to access the public land, is through permission of the adjacent land owner (s). In my case it was Deadman Creek Outfitters, who would not grant access. They have a gate with signs on it "No Hunting or Trespassing- Property of Deadman Creek Outfitters".
I think another big problem is...
Many of these areas are great for public hunting and that's about it. The county or DNR is not going to go through the hassle of obtaining an easement through the court, to get to land that they aren't going to do anything with. I believe they are suppose to maintain it, but my understanding is they can typically work with the adjacent land owners to access the land every so often to maintain the property, regardless of whether or not an easement is established. Or in some cases the adjacent land owners will maintain it for them, which means they do nothing with it. It basically just sits there. This is what the DNR told me.
I have been on small parcels of public property, which the adjacent land owners took it upon himself to plant wheat and farm it. Not sure if this is legal or if they get special permission to do this. I could careless if they do it, but I found it odd.
Post by: str8meat on July 09, 2015, 04:30:11 PM