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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 13, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
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Drew with 17 points.
Brothers best friend applied with 12 and drew the same tag. So we have 2 of the 26.
I am going to spend the whole season over there. I want a big bull, we hunt hard and put miles on the boots.
I have done some searching on here.
anybody have any good jumping off points.
I will trade summer steelhead trips for good info. I catch summers every day that I fish. I'll even take you and show you what I do.
PM's work for me.
Thank you
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I have a bunch of 4 points on the wall, so I'm looking for a nice 6 or heavy 5.
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Out of curiosity what River?
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Congrats bud. You sure do have some sort of magical luck in the draws. Sorry, I don't know that unit at all.
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What season?
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I know 5 local guys that drew archery tags, one who drew a september rifle tag for that unit. Good luck, it's a good tag and bulls in every part of it.
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I've hunted that unit for deer for years. I've hunted it for elk a few times. I had some decent bulls on my trail cam last year but nothing huge. I don't know to much about the unit to offer you any help for elk, but from what I've seen it seems like a great tag to have. Goodluck
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Hey I don't think the wdfw hates you if you drew that tag :chuckle:
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They hated me more in the past
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Maybe I should take your name over. I'm feeling hated.
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Pm sent
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PM inbound.
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You finally got it!! Good job buddy! I will be tromping all over peaches finding a victim..
Congrats
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Awesome! Definetly some big Bulls around the unit. I drew a bull tag for muzzleloader in cowiche I can't wait!
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We have 2 of them hope we hammer 2 big bulls. We will hunt hard. And hunt deep.
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That muzzy tag is a GREAT tag!!!
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Congrats, A friend of mine drew the early archery tag any bull. I will be going over to help call and pack out for him. I have hunted that unit during late archery and have seen several nice bulls low 300's. It should be a great hunt for you good luck.
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Tbis guy was in there late archery last year.
stupid phone cant post pics right... :chuckle: :bash:
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pm sent :tup:
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Damn that's steep... :yike: the parts I've been in were steep but not that bad... :bdid: :chuckle:
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Damn that's steep... :yike: the parts I've been in were steep but not that bad... :bdid: :chuckle:
It's called upside-down elk hunting. The new frontier. 8)
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My phone does the same thing unless I just edit the pic in my phone gallery and crop it. You can crop virtually nothing and those cropped pics always post right side up... Works for me on my phone doing that method anyways.
you see that would work just fine im sure... but id have to learn how to crop it... :chuckle:
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Damn that's steep... :yike: the parts I've been in were steep but not that bad... :bdid: :chuckle:
thats how he avoided all the hunters! Traded his hoofs in for a new set of suction cups!
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We own 3,000 acres in cowiche unit, also run cattle on 90 % of the whole unit. I see Bulls daily. We do a guide service if you want.
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Pro hunter you know me
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Take the pic in your photo album. And rotate 1/2 turn. Then do it again unti right side up pic will be up.
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You shouldnt need a guide in cowiche. It has great access and there are alot of elk.
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You shouldnt need a guide in cowiche. It has great access and there are alot of elk.
:yeah:
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You wouldnt want to hire prohunter270 for a guide anyway. He is part of that group up there who is trying to have roads shut down that we have been using since covered wagons first made that trail. He wants to lock us out. Dont give them money
:yeah: good advice given in this post.
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Private is private! There's other ways to get to state land other then driving thru us. If you want to pay taxes every year your more then welcome to drive thru. If it was your land I'm sure you wouldn't want people on it. Have a great day and see ya this fall.
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I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
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Have a great day and see ya this fall.
I think I'd rather not run into you or your neighbors.
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I guess none of you guys have met prohunter270, he's a great guy! It's to bad none of you would ever give that thought a chance :twocents: as for the issue of closing the road, wouldn't you guys get tired of cattle getting shot, fences cut, water tanks shot up, and more? You guys can bitch all you want online, but until it affects YOUR livelihood you have no room to complain. Everyone would do the same if it was their livelihood on the line.
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I guess bragging about taking matters into your own hands, closing roads and brandishing firearms followed by offering a guide service just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't have beef with you buglebuster, glad you get along with him.
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We have 2 of them hope we hammer 2 big bulls. We will hunt hard. And hunt deep.
There is no such a place as steep and deep in the Cowiche, its heavily roaded. There are plenty of Elk and some nice bulls in there, just have to play the people as much as the elk.
Try to think of places others overlook :tup:Good luck.
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I guess bragging about taking matters into your own hands, closing roads and brandishing firearms followed by offering a guide service just doesn't sit well with me.
I don't have beef with you buglebuster, glad you get along with him.
Chill out can I come hunt your private property. I would expect you to say no. Why would someone want more competition when there hunting. Owning 3000 acres is awesome a lot of work but awesome. Internet is full of jealous haters.
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Chill out can I come hunt your private property. I would expect you to say no. Why would someone want more competition when there hunting. Owning 3000 acres is awesome a lot of work but awesome. Internet is full of jealous haters.
You are excellent at missing the point.
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Indeed. :yeah:
Good luck to everyone with the tag. I hope you all kill a great bull on public land.
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Private is private! There's other ways to get to state land other then driving thru us. If you want to pay taxes every year your more then welcome to drive thru. If it was your land I'm sure you wouldn't want people on it. Have a great day and see ya this fall.
:yeah: What kind of guide service do you run?What all comes with your service I guess is what I would like to know?
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Fun unit to hunt. Let the pumpkins work for you.
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I don't have a horse in this race so the only thing I can say is, easements are made so the public don't get locked out of land they own. Some private property owners want the unknowing public to think it's private, that's BS. The public needs to respect the property owners property by not trespassing, shooting or vandalizing property. If damage starts happening to the private property, it's not the public as a whole who should pay, either by locking gates or making people drive many more miles around to go to their property. If someone vandalizes my house or property, it's up to me to figure out how to stop it. I feel for both sides of this issue, people just need to be respectful on both sides. :twocents:
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I don't have a horse in this race so the only thing I can say is, easements are made so the public don't get locked out of land they own. Some private property owners want the unknowing public to think it's private, that's BS. The public needs to respect the property owners property by not trespassing, shooting or vandalizing property. If damage starts happening to the private property, it's not the public as a whole who should pay, either by locking gates or making people drive many more miles around to go to their property. If someone vandalizes my house or property, it's up to me to figure out how to stop it. I feel for both sides of this issue, people just need to be respectful on both sides. :twocents:
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I'm In same boat as Pro Hunter with cattle and etc. and respect both sides. I will now not be able to shoot on the section of state property behind mine for the same very reasons. State is gating it due to damage, trash, and people shooting beyond berms.
Property owners having bullets flying by them. Vehicles getting shot and etc.
All it takes is a few to ruin it for all! :tup: :bash:
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We need to get a rope for those few that always screw things up for the majority!
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so is pro hunter 270 the guy who owns the green roof shed house thing up on hatton road? thats a GREEN dot road?
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No I don't, but green dot doesn't start till 200 yards past it... Get your facts straight. Got 2 guys arrested today for trespassing with are cameras. Make sure to say cheese.
(Leave the name calling off of huntwa or you'll be banned.
Thanks,
Jackelope)
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That's my buddy mike who retired out of state patrol and lives there year round now who pulls guns and kicks you out. Private means private. This year we are renting a security officer and putting a guard shack there to keep the rift raft out. Few bad guys have ruined it when cattle get shot. If you want it so bad it's for sale for 3.3 mill.
(Again, name calling is not permitted)
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i can read signs and dont hunt out there because i am not sure where private starts and stops. no big deal to me its a big unit. but you can keep your parasite comments to yourself untill you can show me a proof of sale for the deer and elk that some landowners think they own. sorry but you choose to raise cattle or farm in their yards. like i said you have proof of sale for your cattle lets see it for your elk.
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Wow.......parasites? Its an old wagon rd. People have been using to get to the trees for over a hundred years.
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That's my buddy mike who retired out of state patrol and lives there year round now who pulls guns and kicks you parasites out. Private means private. This year we are renting a security officer and putting a guard shack there to keep the rift raft out. Few bad guys have ruined it when cattle get shot. If you want it so bad it's for sale for 3.3 mill.
Parasites who think they are on a green dot road :dunno: Hope your buddy Mike doesn't pull a gun on the wrong person these days. Hard to believe I'm sure but there are people rougher than Cowiche land owners.
It's obvious that you're mainly concerned with blocking access to public ground. Not people who are trespassing in your fields and timber etc. I am sorry your cows got shot - that's inexcusable.
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I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
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How can you legally block access to state land? Many variations of laws on easements that would allow access. When you decided to purchase your land years ago I would imagine part of incentive for you was due to the property bordering national forest service lands, but national forest service land is not an extension to your personal property. I see you have no issues utilizing national forest service lands for ranging your cattle. Its unacceptable that your having issues with fences, property damages, etc and have every right to push-back. BUT you do not have the right to block access unless there is a legal decisions made by the courts. Are you 100% sure you own the road access? Sounds to me you just want to block access to the state land for your conveniences and so you do not have to deal with traffic during hunting season.
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You probably just made your land more of a target by coming on here and being a jerk.... I'd venture to say out of the 15,000 or so members a few just said " challenge accepted" :chuckle:
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mud lake road . good example of access getting shut off . if only the guy would have done it ten years earlier there may be some bucks left up there.
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mud lake road . good example of access getting shut off . if only the guy would have done it ten years earlier there may be some bucks left up there.
I'm not tracking coach, are you saying you'd like to see more access shut off?
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no just saying theres pros and cons . there's also times when the land owner has the right . I'm not familiar with the road your speaking of but it seems to me if it could be accessed the long way around that it would make for better hunting ( most green dot roads come out some where else too so maybe thats a option .
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I hear you. I hope people who hunt the area don't give up.
I also hope they don't get shot by any loons in that neck of the woods.
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parasites wow prohunter you think pretty high of yourself dont you. i wouldnt spend a dollar on your ranch. like someone else said your just a parasited ahole.
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not siding or anything but let me ask this,Has any asked to go thru the easment on his property?Is it even necessary to ask?If the law says we have to ask then we ask,they say no then its no.If the law says we dont need permission then we dont need permission and they can kick rocks.
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so whats the name of the registered and licensed guide service. i can recall a ceratain wdfw sting operation that someone in a green roofed shed thingy was involved in. no guiding license. hmm i think i would look elsewhere.
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Why would you need a guide liscense for people paying access to hunt your land?
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I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
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I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
However, the fact that it is an "abandoned road" does not mean it is no longer a public easement.....correct ??
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:yeah: at what point does the county lose its right to the easement?
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You all have done a fine job of completely and utterly derailing this guy's elk hunt thread. Solid work.
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
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You all have done a fine job of completely and utterly derailing this guy's elk hunt thread. Solid work.
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
This hunt would be great to follow, I hope it get back on track.
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It wont lol the op. abandoned it.Now he has lost his rights to it. :chuckle: just kidding,The op hasnt posted in this thread since the property owner that wants to be a guide tried to advertise on the forum without permission (you know like a trespass lol.
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It wont lol the op. abandoned it.Now he has lost his rights to it. :chuckle: just kidding,The op hasnt posted in this thread since the property owner that wants to be a guide tried to advertise on the forum without permission (you know like a trespass lol.
I don't blame him. Id abandon it too if a bunch of guys jacked my thread ad trashed it too.
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who is the bunch you are talking about?I see two members in a pissing match?In my op the member asked a question and these thread jackers as you put it are answering that question in the manner of which they feel is most important.Stay away from a certain area.and certain people in that area.
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I want to get to the brass on this matter,Did anyone get any steel head trips out of the info given pm or other wise? :chuckle:
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:dunno:
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You all have done a fine job of completely and utterly derailing this guy's elk hunt thread. Solid work.
Maybe an effort could be made to start a new thread for the debate part of this and let the OP enjoy his hunt without all the name calling and other banter.
I agree with a new thread. To be fair, the OP posted once and the thread wasn't derailed until over a week later ;)
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This is to "prohunter 270".....I truly hope you are careful pulling iron on people......assault with a deadly weapon has severe penalties for those who may push the facts.
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I believe the road has an easement clause which allows free passage.
Additionally, passage should be grandfathered from years of use and access.
I have no dog in this hunt. But, shouldn't a GPS show easements through private property to public land?
I bought a Garmin Montana 650T last year with a map chip. We used it to discover two easements through private property to public land in the
Methow Valley. These easements had illegally been posted as "Private.......No Trespassing" for years. Until I utilized the GPS
we had no way of proving our case because even the Forest Service maps didn't show the easements.
Just wondering.................
If the county that owns the public land chooses to "abandon" interest in the easements (road (s)) then the adjacent private land owner can get away with posting it private-no trespassing. I worked with the DNR last year, regarding this same issue. I was trying to access public land thru and easement, which Deadman Creek Outfitters had put up a gate and posted a sign on the gate listing it "private-no tresspassing". My GPS with maping program said different. I didn't want to get in trouble, so I contacted the DNR and worked through them. The DNR pulled it up in his computer as an "abandon" road, which they were no longer maintaining. This was my understanding..
However, the fact that it is an "abandoned road" does not mean it is no longer a public easement.....correct ??
My understanding from the DNR Manager...
The public easement is maintained by the DNR. If the DNR chooses to "abandon interest" in the easement, then the DNR "assumes" the adjacent property owner (in my case Deadman Creek Outfitters) will maintain the easement themselves, assuming the adjacent property owner has a interest in using the easement to access their land etc. Thus no public access will ever be granted.
Second issue...
If there is NO easement in place between the DNR and adjacent property owner (s). The DNR can negotiate with the adjacent property owner (s) to create at easement of mutual understanding and agreement. A map of the easement showing access routes etc. has to be filed with the court and paid for by the DNR, adjacent land owner (s), or BOTH.
Third issue...
As a member of the public, you can contact the DNR and have them negotiate the easement (access route) to the public land you are attempting to access; however YOU have to file it with the court and pay for it out of your OWN pocket. You can try to get the adjacent land owner (s) to help pay for it, but not likely. Why would they, as they likely don't want to provide access in the first place. The DNR has to represent you.
Fourth issue...
If an easement is in place between the DNR and the land owner. The public has a right to access it, using the "specific access route" negotiated between the DNR and the adjacent land owner (s). You have to contact the DNR to make sure a public access route exists. Notify them of the date and time you choose to use the easement, so the DNR can notify the adjacent land owner (s) of you presence.
I spent weeks working with the DNR Manager in South Eastern WA last Summer. I asked a ton of questions, reviewed polices, maps, etc. trying to gain access to specific areas, which were land locked. The biggest issue I ran into was "abandon interest" in easements, which prevented me from accessing public land. To be honest; I felt like everyone was in on keeping the public out, as they had all their bases covered and made it impossible to find a work around.
This was my understanding from the DNR Manager. Perhaps I did not uncover everything, but I spent 1 day a week for 4 months at their office working with them.
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You can contact the adjacent property owner (s) to walk across their land to access public land. If they say NO your out. If they say YES you are in but be mindful of the property lines, as this is sensitive to them. I got lucky after 4 months of research and pounding on doors. I was able to hunt the private land and use it to access the public land.
Start your research now...
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This may not necessarily be an issue of whether the DNR easement is a public easement or not. It could also be that the road that has been in use for decades by the public is a county road.
The problem is, landowners end up gating these and nobody does anything about it. It may require someone to take the landowner to court to establish the public's right to use that road.
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This may not necessarily be an issue of whether the DNR easement is a public easement or not. It could also be that the road that has been in use for decades by the public is a county road.
The problem is, landowners end up gating these and nobody does anything about it. It may require someone to take the landowner to court to establish the public's right to use that road.
Agreed..
My understanding is that if it is a county road, then the DNR can look it up in their computer to see if it is listed as "abandon" or not. If the county chooses to "abandon" their interest in maintain the road then the only way to access the public land, is through permission of the adjacent land owner (s). In my case it was Deadman Creek Outfitters, who would not grant access. They have a gate with signs on it "No Hunting or Trespassing- Property of Deadman Creek Outfitters".
I think another big problem is...
Many of these areas are great for public hunting and that's about it. The county or DNR is not going to go through the hassle of obtaining an easement through the court, to get to land that they aren't going to do anything with. I believe they are suppose to maintain it, but my understanding is they can typically work with the adjacent land owners to access the land every so often to maintain the property, regardless of whether or not an easement is established. Or in some cases the adjacent land owners will maintain it for them, which means they do nothing with it. It basically just sits there. This is what the DNR told me.
I have been on small parcels of public property, which the adjacent land owners took it upon himself to plant wheat and farm it. Not sure if this is legal or if they get special permission to do this. I could careless if they do it, but I found it odd.
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well back to the post in point. good luck on your bull hunt may see you up there as my oldest son has the same permit.