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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: wheels on June 26, 2015, 12:59:59 PM

Title: 500 yard muzzy shot
Post by: wheels on June 26, 2015, 12:59:59 PM: i was watching sheep shape last night said one of them was shooting muzzle loader 500 yards. possible?
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Post by: vandeman17 on June 26, 2015, 01:08:32 PM: I can shoot mine that far and farther. Hitting what I am shooting at is a whole different story. :chuckle:
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 26, 2015, 01:09:52 PM: There are some custom ones that are made for serious long range.
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Post by: wheels on June 26, 2015, 01:11:08 PM: supposedly he was hitting what he was shooting
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Post by: wheels on June 26, 2015, 01:13:24 PM: im pretty aure it was gunwerks or how ever its spelled
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Post by: DOUBLELUNG on June 26, 2015, 01:13:51 PM: It's possible to remove a screw with a butter knife - but that doesn't mean a screwdriver isn't a better option.
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Post by: wheels on June 26, 2015, 01:17:19 PM: very true just was shocked always considered them good out to 100 maybe 200 max
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Post by: floatinghat on June 27, 2015, 07:24:40 AM: :chuckle:Velocity increases after the top of the rainbow. People can justify anything if they over think enough.
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 05:54:14 PM: The way I see it is at 250 yards you have lost half of your velocity already,Nearing 1000 ft. per second,By the time it went another 250 yards its not moving with enough energy. :twocents:
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 05:57:40 PM: I just found something from hornady that changes that. :yeah:I will try to put it in here.
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 06:05:10 PM: bullet hornady 250 grain Ballistic coefficient .210
muzzle velocity (2800) this is supposed to be 2300
zero range 200 yards
@1000 yards 757 fps.
@500 yards 1149 fps.
@ 1000 yards 318 fp energy
@500 yards 733 fp energy.
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Post by: jdb on June 27, 2015, 06:21:50 PM: A muzzle loader Dosent reach anywhere near 2800 fps
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Post by: camp cook on June 27, 2015, 06:52:29 PM: The ultimate muzzle loader ,2300
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 27, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
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Post by: splitshot on June 27, 2015, 07:55:35 PM: s
wwith open sights. mike w
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Post by: RadSav on June 27, 2015, 08:33:35 PM: Quote from: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on June 27, 2015, 06:55:05 PM

Always nice when you miss your spot by 15" and still get your elk! Doesn't look like he went but another 40 yards after they took the camera off him either. Not a bad day.
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 08:37:23 PM: Quote from: jdb on June 27, 2015, 06:21:50 PM
A muzzle loader Dosent reach anywhere near 2800 fps
Your right it wasnt 2800 it was 2300.Still thats pretty fast for smoke pole in my op.I would have never thought it would be that fast.Custom bullets and I can def. see this being an obtainable shot.
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 08:44:33 PM: google: Ballistics Hornady Calculator
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Post by: j_h_nimrod on June 27, 2015, 09:07:12 PM: I have a friend with one of the new smokeless powder powered .375 caliber muzzleloader that puts a 250 grain projectile out at close to 3000 fps. Pretty easy 6" groups or better at 400 yard from what I hear. He harvested a nice mulie at ~450 yards with it. Not Northwest legal for sure though.
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Post by: Bob33 on June 27, 2015, 09:27:24 PM: Quote from: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 06:05:10 PM
bullet hornady 250 grain Ballistic coefficient .210
muzzle velocity 2800
zero range 200 yards
@1000 yards 757 fps.
@500 yards 1149 fps.
@ 1000 yards 318 fp energy
@500 yards 733 fp energy.
A projectile with a muzzle velocity of 2800 ft/second and a ballistic coefficient of .21 would be traveling around 200 ft/second at 1000 yards, not 757. It would have about 25 foot pounds of energy.

But then again you can post anything on the internet and it's always true.
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Post by: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 09:28:37 PM: lol,did you look it up bob?
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Post by: jdb on June 28, 2015, 01:07:42 AM: This is what I found
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Post by: Jonathan_S on June 30, 2015, 09:57:52 AM: Quote from: stevemiller on June 27, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
lol,did you look it up bob?

math bro
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Post by: stevemiller on June 30, 2015, 10:23:25 AM: I was referring to looking it up as it is pretty awesome that you can get that speed from a muzzy.I shoot traditional a lot and never really looked into that until this topic came up. :tup:
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Post by: Curly on June 30, 2015, 01:17:22 PM: The major thing in this state limiting muzzleloader long range shooting (for me anyway) is my eyes and open sights. Open sights at long range is tough (even with a nice peep). Now, with a scope, 209 ignition, and lots of practice, I could see some people being able to consistently shoot way out there (even 500 yards). Kind of defeats the reasons for ML hunting though IMO. :twocents:
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Post by: zike on June 30, 2015, 06:58:56 PM: Seems to me I read about a officer during the Civil war being shot at 1000 yds. Of course they didn't have range finders so maybe it was 1200 yds. LOL. I was on a website a few years ago and they were using two sabots and a .357 bullet and getting some fast speeds. The powders are better now so they are probably doing better.
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Post by: oneshot12 on June 30, 2015, 08:20:32 PM: The Whitworth was the most accurate long-range rifle of the Civil War. With an open sight and firing from a fixed rest or the prone position, the shooter could place his shots in a twelve-inch diameter circle at 500 yards. With the 14 1/2 " telescopic sight mounted on the left of the stock, the rifle had a killing range of 1500-1800 yards, or about a mile. We all know the story of Union general John Sedgwick, killed at Spotsylvania when shot in the head by a bullet fired from a Whitworth rifle 800 yards distant.

The Whitworth too was fired with a percussion cap. Its disadvantage was that it was a muzzle-loader, hence slow to load, and like all muzzle-loaders, needed cleaning every few rounds. But its outstanding accuracy made it worth the trouble. It was usually issued only to top marksmen in the Confederate army corps.
The Whitworth muzzle-loading rifle preferred by Confederate sharpshooters
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Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on July 03, 2015, 12:37:31 PM: Quote from: zike on June 30, 2015, 06:58:56 PM
Seems to me I read about a officer during the Civil war being shot at 1000 yds. Of course they didn't have range finders so maybe it was 1200 yds. LOL. I was on a website a few years ago and they were using two sabots and a .357 bullet and getting some fast speeds. The powders are better now so they are probably doing better.

My kids do use the double sabot .357. It is a 175 grain ballistic tip. I have them using it with 70 grains powder so not much recoil. We have taken 4 mule deer and 2 black tail with it.

Nice and flat shooting but in trying it in several guns my standard deviation went pretty wild anywhere past 100 grains of powder. So, yes you can make it shoot fast with massive amounts of black powder, but not likely with enough accuracy to hunt with in the northwest.