Post by: SW Blacktail on January 09, 2009, 09:56:28 AM
My patience is wearing thin with this one.. any advice would be appreciated.
Post by: rasbo on January 09, 2009, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: luvtohnt on January 09, 2009, 10:23:11 AM
Also if you do what rasbo said, it may work but it is different with males because he wants to be the dominant one so be ready for him to fight back. It worked well with his dog because she's a female, and female dogs are hard wired to surrender to the dominant male.
Brandon
Post by: mjgentile on January 09, 2009, 01:23:50 PM
I got a 2 1/2 GSP she is full of energy. First thing is they need to run and when you think they are done they run some more.
I take my to dog park run her for about an hour, 20 min ride home an you think she never ran at all.
The breed needs mental stimulation as well as plenty of exercise. When I can't take her to the park, my kids strap a leash on her an run her around the block a few times with their bikes. An after I run her she is a lot easier to work with.
Best of Luck
Post by: bucklucky on January 09, 2009, 01:29:12 PM
Post by: Lee Root on January 09, 2009, 06:27:41 PM
Lee
Post by: high country on January 10, 2009, 11:26:09 AM
Post by: Sportfury on January 11, 2009, 03:32:58 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 12, 2009, 03:57:15 AM
You said you have high expectations for the dog. Did you have a dog before him? A lot of people get second dogs hoping that it will be as good if not better than there first dog. But sometimes that is not the case. Don't be disappointed. I would start hunting him and see how he turns out, all of the GWP I have been around get much better with age, and much calmer after about 3 or 4 years old.
Post by: Ossahatchee on January 12, 2009, 05:13:51 AM
Post by: Lee Root on January 12, 2009, 06:04:23 AM
If you were to check the history of a GWP and went back to the breed they originated from the Deutch Drahthaar, you would find that when DD's are tested, (and they are tested before they can be bred,) they are tested in retrieving reliability. The Germans hunt on leased land, if you were to leave an animal or bird on your leased land because your "pointer" left it behind and the next guy came along and recovered your lost game you would loose your lease. They believe that the work after the shot is of the utmost importance. The pointer part of their name was added when the breed was accepted by the AKC. To not have a GWP or DD retrieve is almost as ridiculous as having a lab or golden or CBR or Springer not retrieve.
GWP's and DD are versatile dogs. They do it all.
Post by: Bigshooter on January 14, 2009, 04:54:18 PM
Post by: Bighorse on January 14, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
You'll also get him to calm.
Post by: Lee Root on January 14, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
Every hunter should care about the retrieval of shot game. If one does not, then I think that one should reconsider what it is to be a hunter, and become concerned. My dogs usually find other people's lost game on a regular basis on both public and private land that I hunt on. I realize that not every bird comes back to the bag, but to be cavalier about it is not a philosophy that I, as a hunter, can adopt with an attitude of acceptance.
My original point to make to the author of this thread, is still force fetch the dog, or have a pro trainer do it. The dog will be a different dog, because the relationship between the owner and the dog will be different. The dog may still be high drive, but at least the dog will be controllable. Lee
Post by: Shannon on January 14, 2009, 08:49:45 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 14, 2009, 09:48:42 PM
I think anyone who says the retrieving aspect is not very important for a bird dog either hasn't hunted that much, waste a lot of game, or is a good swimmer themselves. I shot several pheasants, lots of quail, and a ton of ducks that I would not have gotten without a retrieving dog this year. I would get rid of a hunting dog that would not retrieve or turn them into a pet only and get a real hunting dog. Take it for what you payed for it.
I think anyone with the name Shannon shouldn't be able to hunt. This statement is almost as dumb as the one you made above.
Post by: Shannon on January 14, 2009, 09:53:38 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 14, 2009, 09:59:56 PM
Well Bigshooter, what do you do when you shoot a pheasant along a river and it folds on the other side of a river in 20 degree weather? Ah its just a bird dog, retrieving isn't that big of a deal but he looked good on point.
I wouldn't have shot it if I thought it would have ended up on the other side of the river or in the river. Anymore questions.
Post by: hornhunter on January 14, 2009, 10:26:44 PM
I think anyone who says the retrieving aspect is not very important for a bird dog either hasn't hunted that much, waste a lot of game, or is a good swimmer themselves. I shot several pheasants, lots of quail, and a ton of ducks that I would not have gotten without a retrieving dog this year. I would get rid of a hunting dog that would not retrieve or turn them into a pet only and get a real hunting dog. Take it for what you payed for it.
SPOT ON SHANNON.
Post by: Bigshooter on January 14, 2009, 10:38:23 PM
I think anyone who says the retrieving aspect is not very important for a bird dog either hasn't hunted that much, waste a lot of game, or is a good swimmer themselves. I shot several pheasants, lots of quail, and a ton of ducks that I would not have gotten without a retrieving dog this year. I would get rid of a hunting dog that would not retrieve or turn them into a pet only and get a real hunting dog. Take it for what you payed for it.
SPOT ON SHANNON.
Yea you guys are right. If a dog want retrieve you "either haven't hunted that much, or you waste a lot of game.
Give me a break.
Post by: Shannon on January 15, 2009, 07:22:58 AM
Post by: hornhunter on January 15, 2009, 09:22:55 AM
Post by: Bigshooter on January 15, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
BTW saying that you wouldnt shoot a bird because you knew it would land accross a pond or River is a load of *censored*, birds, (ALL) are very unpredictable once they are hit.
Do you shoot at birds that are flying across roads? I don't I let them fly. Because of two reasons: 1. I don't want to shoot a car or person; and 2. I don't want my dog to run through traffic. I pass up a few shots like this every year no *censored*. Passing up birds is not a problem for me.
Post by: Lee Root on January 15, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa171%2Fvomokanogan%2FP1020306.jpg&hash=58a9eb700225a1f32ff6240ba5fb0e4d497b8555)
This is Cass just about to sit after retrieving a fox that was placed on the other side of a log.
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Addy again, this time she was asked to retrieve a fox from the box or the barrier she is jumping out of with the fox.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa171%2Fvomokanogan%2FP1020311.jpg&hash=38ed524d54cbc66da298c04d6abfcb12aebb7288)
And this is Cass retrieving a chukar, you will note that the bird is still not dead. Cass will work tirelessly to get a wounded bird to the bag. The bird only had a wing tip shot.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa171%2Fvomokanogan%2FP1020496.jpg&hash=73f9412843c94cfa2566bb209f01ab1b6c81a643)
Post by: NW-GSP on May 01, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
Bigshooter: I think you missed my "point". A GWP should retrieve as well as a Golden Retriever. If you are talking about English Pointers, then yes they have been bred to find and point birds, some do retrieve well, others could give a rip. That is the nature of that breed; but not the nature of a GWP, they come from 100 years of breeding to be sure that they retrieve, at least DD's do. And yes, DD's and GWPs both point, but they do so much more. They will do great water work with waterfowl, they will track wounded animals by tracking the blood trail, they will retrieve fur (rabbits etc.), they will bay pigs if you wish. Very versatile, and very reliable. They do sometimes come with high prey drive, but once established as a subordinate in the pack they are loyal to the "nth" degree.
Every hunter should care about the retrieval of shot game. If one does not, then I think that one should reconsider what it is to be a hunter, and become concerned. My dogs usually find other people's lost game on a regular basis on both public and private land that I hunt on. I realize that not every bird comes back to the bag, but to be cavalier about it is not a philosophy that I, as a hunter, can adopt with an attitude of acceptance.
My original point to make to the author of this thread, is still force fetch the dog, or have a pro trainer do it. The dog will be a different dog, because the relationship between the owner and the dog will be different. The dog may still be high drive, but at least the dog will be controllable. Lee
I agree!
the force fetch is not all about fetching, It teaches the dog that it has to do what you want it to do no matter what! wich will make some dogs not think for themselves for a while and will look to you for guidance
Post by: RPM on May 02, 2009, 10:14:17 PM