Post by: swift on July 21, 2015, 11:08:03 AM
Total weight leaving the trailhead ranges between 47 and 52 pounds depending on weapons and food
I could ditch a few things but I like the extra comfort and safety and first aid
Back country pack inventory
10 rubber gloves 3 ounces
Bone saw 5.3 ounces
Havalon with 12 blades 2.7 ounces
Medical an emergency pull out total weight 15.6 ounce
Wound medic one closure kit 2.2 ounces
Compact first aid kit 1 ounce
Emergency blanket to ounces
Super moleskin .5 ounce
Stitch kit and superglue .6 ounce
Six cough drops 10 two packs of aspirin Benadryl leg cramp pills Chapstick 2.7 ounces
Sunscreen Vaseline after bite 4 ounces
Emergency whistle no weight
Backup water filtration straw 1 Ounce
MSR mini works water filter 17.4 ounce
Jet boil flash with full fuel 22.4 ounce
Thermacell with refill 10 ounce
Backpack rain cover 4.4 ounce
Camp towel in Ziploc bag 2 ounce
Full roll of toilet paper in Ziploc bag 4 ounces
Cotton hand towel 2 ounce
3 gallon Ziploc bags three trashbags 3.8 ounce
100 feet per record 7.3 ounce
Clothing stuff sack total weight 41.2 ounce
Mosquito head that .9 ounce
Frog toggs rain pants and jacket 10.4 ounce
Down puffy jacket 11.8 ounce
Wool underwear 3.1 ounce
Sitka wool beanie and gloves 2.5 ounce
Vortex fleece beanie 1 ounce
Sitka baklava 2 ounce
Hanker chief headband 1.5 ounce
Waterproof compression stuff sack for clothing 4
ounce
Spare wool socks 3.7 ounce
Sleep system total weight 108.7 ounce
Big Agnes tent 43.7 ounce
Big Agnes insulated double Z sleeping pad with pump bag 34 ounce
Cocoon pillow 6.3 ounce
Enlightened equipment quilt in compression stuff sack 24.5 ounce
Miscellaneous small pull out total weight 11.2 ounce
Ben's 100% DEET 1.8 ounce
Salt-and-pepper .8 ounce
Long titanium spoons plastic fork and spoon .8 ounce
Ink pen .1 ounce
Blast match and fuel gel to put in 2.4 Ounce
Bic lighter .8 ounce
Flagging tape 1.2 ounce
Small tape measure .8 ounce
Three extra AAA for headlamp 1.2 ounce
Extra 123 for flashlight .6 ounce
Snack pack pull out 10.6 ounce
Three Stevia packets.2 ounce
For Starbucks via coffee .5 ounce
For Sqwincher lemonade stick .5 ounce
Root beer GU 1 Else
Premier protein 30 g 2.5 ounce
Wasabi almonds 1.6 ounce
Idahoan mashed potatoes 4.0 ounces
Headlamp 3.6 ounce
Eagle TAC LED flashlight 1.6 ounce
Luci LED lantern 3.8 ounce
Mora camp knife 3.9 ounce
Garman Montana 650 t with batteries 11.5 ounce
Vortex Viper HD spotting scope 15 x 45 51.4 ounce
Vortech summit SS tripod 30.8 ounce
Stone glacier 3300 solo with krux frame three-piece belt two small side pouch spotting scope pouch nylon pistol holster 77 ounce
Stone glacier meat/dry bag 4.6 ounce
MSR water bladder 2 liters 80 ounce
S&W 329 w/6 rounds 31.5 ounce
TOTAL Pack weigh 571 ounces / 35.69 lbs
Carbon Knight with the release and five arrows with broadheads 78 ounces
Defensive edge 300 RUM with eight rounds of ammo and sling 189 ounce
Sitka Bino harness with 10 x 42 EL Swarovski
binoculars and Leopold RX 1000i 51.8 ounce
Trekking polls 21.5 ounces
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 02:46:12 PM
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Post by: xXLojackXx on July 21, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Big Agnes insulated double Z sleeping pad with pump bag 34 ounce
Pump?
Post by: swift on July 21, 2015, 03:16:54 PM
After I learned how to use it it's really slick
Post by: Labredog on July 21, 2015, 03:46:39 PM
Post by: hollymaster on July 21, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
Nothing like a refreshing bum.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 04:03:04 PM
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Post by: swift on July 21, 2015, 04:14:31 PM
Yeah it was still in my pull out but do have duct tape wrapped around polls I will not replace it when used up
I do have a little redundtcy in my pack for fire starters and first aid but backcountry with broadheads I want to be able to seal me or my buddy's up !!
Disclaimer :) I'm still a work in progress LOL
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 04:43:31 PM
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Post by: xXLojackXx on July 21, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
There's a lot of room for improvement
:yeah: I see a lot of unnecessary weight in your pack. My pack last year with food was 48.9 lbs for a 10 day hunt.
Post by: swift on July 21, 2015, 06:37:26 PM
What stuff would You loose silk/LoJack ?
I'm never to old to learn from others
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 06:47:39 PM
Also, way too many lights. I bring a headlamp and a cell phone with two extra lithium batteries (zebra light which takes one battery/two generally last a season)
Your pad is unbelievably heavy, probably cut a pound there.
I'll take another look at your stuff but that's a good start.
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Post by: Bean Counter on July 21, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
12 havalon blades is overkill
Emergency blanket not necessary
Backup water filter not necessary
100 ft of para cord is a lot
Lantern not needed
Dump GPS if you have a smart phone. Use a lightweight charger (usually around 4 ounces) and it doubles as a camera.
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Post by: hogslayer on July 21, 2015, 07:19:20 PM
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Post by: BeWitty on July 21, 2015, 07:27:23 PM
Post by: kentrek on July 21, 2015, 07:39:02 PM
two beanies ?
How many flash lights ?
Pillow
sleeping pad
camp knife
rubber gloves
do you need ten blades for the h avalon ?
Camp towel
water filter
full role of tp for 3 days ? I'd swap to paper towels
extra batteries arnt needed for short trips..don't waist your juice
Emergency blanket could go since you have sleeping bag
Get a lighter tent set up
What's Vaseline for ??
Ditch the pistol
As you mentioned you liked "comfort" items but these are what i would review and consider changing/ditching
The problem with these gear lists is there is no one single do all list...conditions of the trip dictate everything...i have a different set of needs for nearly every trip I do to some extent so I won't get too specific
Good luck,keep track of what you use and how crucial it was....most importantly have loads of fun :tup:
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 21, 2015, 07:57:34 PM
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Post by: xXLojackXx on July 21, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
-10 pair latex gloves, take 2
-12 havalon blades, take 3-4
- emergency blanket, moleskin, stitch kit (you already have a wound closure kit), sunscreen/vaseline, rape whistle, and backup life straw. Reasons: you have a sleeping bag, its 3 days-fight through a blister, not sure what vaseline is for besides fire starter, if you're stranded you are better off making a signal fire than blowing a rape whistle. especially in these conditions, fires dont go unnoticed. I'd also boil water if my filter somehow broke before sucking it out of a creek through a straw.
-thermacel. Get a small bottle of bug spray if needed
-Camp towel
-About 1/4 roll of TP for 3 days, vacuum packed into single servings.
-cotton hand towel
-(1) one gallon ziploc for trash
-25 to 50 feet paracord
-mosquito net or fleece beanie.
-Sleeping pad pump/pillow (roll up clothes)
-Fork and spoon, use a Ti Spork
-Blast match. A BIC lighter and vaseline soaked cotton swabs in a photo film canister work great for fire
-Tape measure
-Extra batteries. Lithiums will last well over 3 days
-Snacks I'd choose some more calorie dense snacks than whats listed. shoot for 100 calories an ounce minimum.
-Flashlight or headlamp, pick one. not both.
-lantern not needed
-camp knife. Use your havalon
-no side arm. bear spray if needed.
Post by: fillthefreezer on July 21, 2015, 08:18:08 PM
alot of other weight could just be left behind, without spending any $$.
havalon blades, really no weight, but it goes along with the mindset. shouldnt need more than 4 for any critter and long as you let the sharp do the work and dont pry with them.
agree with one of the two beanies, either swap for seasons or just take the warmer one.
i like the thermacell, but on a backcountry hunt, i cant see bringing one, heck i dont even bring spray. just try to hang out in a breeze. if my camp was going to be buggy for protection or water, id maybe concede a bug coil.
towels, if you need a towel maybe just one, or check out the lightload towels. they work well.
i pack two pair rubber gloves, for damaging first pair with havalon or second animal..
agree with silk on the firstaid kit, mine is similar. although i disagree with leaving the emerg blanket as i think theyre great for boning meat on. also i do carry a backup light, petzl e-lite. 1oz. other than that its just zebralight with 1 spare batt.
trade moleskin for leukotape, its awesome. stays on skin, multi purpose.
stove fuel, take 110g canister. you shouldnt need more than 5g per boil. if you know how to run your stove, less. also, scratch your boils in the side like hash marks. figure out how many you get per can on avg going forward. dial it in.
you filter is pretty heavy. i know its a good filter but in the kit, do you extraneous items? heavy sack, zipper?
consider trioxane as a fire starter. cheap. works awesome. light.
bone saw, for deer, is the saw worth carrying to maybe skull cap? elk, leave in the rig and bring back in after a load to cap so you dont have to haul it all week. bear, i cant think of any use.
Post by: nastybynature on July 21, 2015, 09:56:15 PM
Post by: swift on July 21, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Jetboil and TP is for two guys ( didn't say that to start with )
I removed the snacks as that's what's in my day pack for around home not backcountry ,the Thermacell is from a fishing trip last month ( you can afford a lot of crap with out a rifle ) as for the pistol I do not carry if I have a rifle BUT do with my bow or scouting off season the first list is kinda a master list so I have weights but the way I posted it looks like I carry all of it at once ( I did have to much first aid )
I appreciate the input !
Back country pack inventory
NO FOOD
rubber gloves 2 ounces 3 pair
Bone saw 5.3 ounces
Havalon with 4 blades 2 ounces
Medical emergency pull out total weight 11.6 ounce
Emergency blanket
Superglue,compact first aid kit,Six cough drops, Ibuprofen, 3 Imodium, Benadryl,Chapstick
Sunscreen
Backup water filtration straw
MSR mini works water filter no bag 16 ounce
Jet boil flash with full fuel 22.4 ounce for 2 people
Backpack rain cover 4.4 ounce
Camp towel in Ziploc bag 2 ounce
1/2 roll of toilet paper in Ziploc bag 2 ounces
50 feet para cord 3.5 ounce
Clothing stuff sack total weight 31.2 ounce
Frog toggs rain pants and jacket ,Down puffy jacket
Wool underwear ,Sitka wool beanie and gloves
Sitka baklava
Waterproof compression stuff sack for clothing
Spare wool socks
Sleep system total weight 108.7 ounce
Big Agnes tent 43.7 ounce
Big Agnes insulated double Z sleeping pad with pump bag 34 ounce
Cocoon pillow 6.3 ounce
Enlightened equipment quilt in compression stuff sack 24.5 ounce
Miscellaneous small pull out total weight 9.5 ounce
Ben's 100% DEET
Salt-and-pepper
Long titanium spoons plastic fork
Ink pen
fire gel
Bic lighter
Flagging tape
Three extra AAA for headlamp
Extra 123 for flashlight
Map
Headlamp 3.6 ounce
Eagle TAC LED flashlight 1.6 ounce
Mora camp knife 3.9 ounce
Vortex Viper HD spotting scope 15 x 45 51.4 ounce
Vortech summit SS tripod 30.8 ounce
Stone glacier 3300 solo with krux frame three-piece belt two small side pouch spotting scope pouch nylon pistol holster 77 ounce
Stone glacier meat/dry bag 4.6 ounce
MSR water bladder 2 liters 80 ounce
TOTAL Pack actual weigh 30lbs9oz with water
41.5 with rifle and ammo
Checking out some new lighter pads !
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 22, 2015, 07:07:09 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2015, 07:13:47 AM
not sure what vaseline is for besides fire starter, if you're stranded you are better off making a signal fire than blowing a rape whistle.
I don't mean to derail this but this made me laugh :chuckle:
For you real serious ounce counters...do you carry your camp on your back all day or spike out and return at night? I prefer the latter in which case I just load the pack down to 60 lbs and have a few extra comforts :dunno:
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 22, 2015, 07:17:02 AM
not sure what vaseline is for besides fire starter, if you're stranded you are better off making a signal fire than blowing a rape whistle.
I don't mean to derail this but this made me laugh :chuckle:
For you real serious ounce counters...do you carry your camp on your back all day or spike out and return at night? I prefer the latter in which case I just load the pack down to 60 lbs and have a few extra comforts :dunno:
It's not the pack in that's the problem...it's the pack out. If I can have my pack at 40 versus your sixty, that's twenty pounds less with an animal...
There is a noticeable difference between 140 lbs and 120 lbs when packing.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2015, 07:18:20 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on July 22, 2015, 08:07:27 AM
keep chipping away at it. sometimes it just takes a fresh perspective to point out things.
as far as comfort, i dont feel like ive given up much in the way of comfort. that 2011 list didnt even have a pillow. and i know the 10 or so hours a day im under those pack straps are much more comfortable!
Post by: swift on July 22, 2015, 08:33:38 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on July 22, 2015, 08:46:26 AM
There is a noticeable difference between 140 lbs and 120 lbs when packing.
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Not that much - Two 70 lb trips vs two 60 lb trips.
:chuckle:
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 22, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
There is a noticeable difference between 140 lbs and 120 lbs when packing.
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Not that much - Two 70 lb trips vs two 60 lb trips.
:chuckle:
Old man logic there! 😆😆😂
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Post by: sirmissalot on July 22, 2015, 01:15:17 PM
There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.
One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.
Post by: Stein on July 22, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on July 22, 2015, 01:49:37 PM
I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry :chuckle:
There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.
One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.
I agree with most of the stuff you said, but I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...
But it becomes a more serious issue on the pack out.
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Post by: kentrek on July 22, 2015, 02:16:34 PM
I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry :chuckle:
There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.
One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.
I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...
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About a 50% difference !!
I remember one of my first solo spike out trips....i was a 16 years old and had rite at 55 pounds on my back....boy oh boy I was beat before I even started to hunt...i made it exactly 24 hours before I limped back to the truck
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
Post by: kentrek on July 22, 2015, 02:30:20 PM
My first backpacking trip was probably an 80 lb pack :chuckle:
I had two....back packs !! Just that alone weighs more then majority of my gear now lol even still i had a blast an really that's all that ever matters...nobody ever gets into the backcountry with out carrying alil extra fears with them when they fist start out...just part of the process
Positive attitudes go further then a feather weight pack
:tup:
Post by: sirmissalot on July 22, 2015, 03:09:27 PM
I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry :chuckle:
There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.
One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.
I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...
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About a 50% difference !!
I remember one of my first solo spike out trips....i was a 16 years old and had rite at 55 pounds on my back....boy oh boy I was beat before I even started to hunt...i made it exactly 24 hours before I limped back to the truck
I was gonna say the same thing. My first couple attempts at high buck didn't last long. Not so much too much stuff but I packed around a 5 1/2 lb sleeping bag for a long time.
Post by: xXLojackXx on July 22, 2015, 03:21:03 PM
The best way to cut weight is to loose 5 pounds of bodyfat. Costs next to nothing and you don't have to be a gram weenie with the pack.
Losing 5lbs of body fat has nothing to do with what's sitting directly on your back.... :dunno:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2015, 03:22:58 PM
The best way to cut weight is to loose 5 pounds of bodyfat. Costs next to nothing and you don't have to be a gram weenie with the pack.
Losing 5lbs of body fat has nothing to do with what's sitting directly on your back.... :dunno:
Fat is dead weight but :yeah: it doesn't cut into my shoulders and hips
Post by: CoryTDF on July 22, 2015, 03:53:45 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 09, 2015, 09:08:11 AM
Backpacking or not, I don't go out without a tourniquet and a Quik Clot.
That quik clot is good but generally worthless if you don't know how and when to use it. I also carry it but I recommend really looking into how to use, when to use, and general packing tips for application.
You can make tourniquets obviously, but I agree it doesn't hurt to bring a CAT.
Post by: Bean Counter on August 09, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
I would suspect that a pouring of the old concoction is perhaps more effective. Achieving hemostasis on a complete bisection of the femoral artery and vein is pretty impressive. I believe there was concerns about the exothermic reaction generated and resultant burns to tissue as well as the particles becoming airborne and getting into eyes when landing a medivac.
My spastic fingers aren't going to be much good attempting to fashion a pocket knife or flashlight into a windlass on my belt-turned-torniquet when I'm hemorrhaging blood out my femoral artery. I'll add the 5 ounces for a tourniquet any day! ;)
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 09, 2015, 01:53:00 PM
I haven't seen the powder in years. Seems like it's all gauze and "tea bags" now
Curtis
Post by: swift on August 09, 2015, 04:44:18 PM
Update 8/16
( I'm holding off till I get done spending $$$ for this season 😉 lots of new UL stuff going in and a ton ! Coming out I got the UL bug 😝)
Will update before high hunt