Hunting Washington Forum
Community => Advocacy, Agencies, Access => Topic started by: Bean Counter on August 03, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/08/03/delta-bans-animal-hunting-trophies-as-freight/?intcmp=hpff
Delta Air Lines announced Wednesday that it has banned shipment of exotic animal trophies as freight.
“Effective immediately, Delta will officially ban shipment of all lion, leopard, elephant, rhinoceros and buffalo trophies worldwide as freight,” Delta said in a statement. “Prior to this ban, Delta’s strict acceptance policy called for absolute compliance with all government regulations regarding protected species.”
Delta, the only U.S. carrier that serves South Africa directly, had been accepting hunting trophies if customers provided appropriate documentation to U.S. customs officials and if the animal in question was not a protected species. The move comes amid an outcry over the killing of the well-known lion Cecil by American hunter Walter Palmer, after the lion was lured out of a Zimbabwe wildlife reserve.
A Change.org petition launched by Chris Green, a Delta Diamond Medallion flier, received over 390,000 signatures and called for the airline to institute a ban. Lufthansa and Emirates Airline already have similar policies in place and after news of Cecil’s death, South African Airways also announced a policy refusing to transport exotic animal hunting trophies...
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I saw this. Revolting!
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I don't fly on them much, anyway.
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I never fly with them unless it is a must.
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Wonder where the African countries are going to get money for the parks and preserves now?
Hate it when companies jump on the stupid wagon.
This whole thing seems well orchestrated, I don't usually buy into conspiracy theories but.
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Idiots - Most the big trophy's are beyond their viable breeding age anyways and bring a lot of money to help keep anti-poaching park rangers out there.
Cecil was 13 years old, that's old for a lion.
Most online sources say 3-8 yrs old average for a pride male on up to 14 for a very successful lion.
Cecil was on his way out, and if he was that far out from his pride hitting a bait station he was probably run off already by a younger male.
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SAA recently rescinded their ban now with all this false hoopla they will prob change their mind
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Have to wonder does this cover National flights as well, just trophy animals as it says? So does that mean the game meat as well? Meaning someone fly's to say.... Montana to hunt Bull Elk and is succesful is he screwed now? Guessing he has to find a different way now to transport his animal and meat back then eh?
:bash: :bash:
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Meat doesn't normally leave Africa, it's given to the locals.
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Meat doesn't normally leave Africa, it's given to the locals.
that answers if he's in africa but is delta banning all transports of that nature even ones like I listed and asked?
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I would encourage any and all of you to write to Delta and tell them how trophy hunting conservation works in Africa and what hunter dollars do for local economies there. I have. Here's the comment address. http://www.delta.com/contactus/pages/comment_complaint/index.jsp
I would suggest a tone which reflects respect for their concern for wildlife and direct that concern to how effective wildlife management works, with hunter dollars, to support and build wildlife populations for the enjoyment of all.
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While I am not in agreement with Delta, I do not believe this will have a significant effect on hunting in Africa. Most visitors do not hunt the species that are now banned for transport on Delta. Secondly, the trophies can still be shipped by sea which is often cheaper anyway.
This is an unfortunate reminder of how the acts of one can affect many, justifiable or not.
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While I am not in agreement with Delta, I do not believe this will have a significant effect on hunting in Africa. Most visitors do not hunt the species that are now banned for transport on Delta. Secondly, the trophies can still be shipped by sea which is often cheaper anyway.
This is an unfortunate reminder of how the acts of one can affect many, justifiable or not.
The statement by the world's largest airline gives credibility to the false notion that legal hunting hurts wildlife. If this continues and the world remains ignorant of the facts, wildlife in Africa could be seriously affected. Were they to change their stance with an about-face, light may be shone on the good that legal trophy hunting accomplishes.
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I sent Delta a comment.
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Sent them a nice sweet email :chuckle:
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I did as well and cancelled my FF account. Alaska will be my airline of choice as of now.
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done~
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My African trophies were shipped by boat. Air freight was just too expensive. I suspect that the majority of hunters trophies go by boat. It does take quite a while to get them.
The bigger issue here is this is just one more victory for the anti-hunting groups. They get the media attention that projects them as having the higher moral ground. Lasting change is always a series of small steps. Call it one more nail in the coffin if you like. These people will now feel empowered to protest for the next item on their agenda. This also plays directly into the anti-gun groups argument that people don't have a legitimate use for guns if you ban hunting.
Until hunters/gun owners are willing to stand together on these issues they will continue to lose the fight. I have noticed that even on this forum a large number of posters were willing to call the dentist out without having any information other than what the media gave them after reporting on the protestors demands.
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I saw three airlines are doing it. As Mauser said almost nobody flies with the hide or trophy. It is shipped later. Meat is given to locals.
I also saw 5 animals listed they would not ship, I think the Big 5. Leopard, Buffalo, Lion, Rhino(legal anywhere???) and sumthin I forgot.
Carl
here yall go http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33767771
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Bad precedent for a carrier to be banning something otherwise legal and safe. Could airlines/trains/freight (that no doubt receive public money or tax breaks to stay in business) be making political statements by "banning" or blacklisting certain legal activities? Doesn't pass the sniff test.
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Most of you are missing the point, this is just a start. They will start with these animals then go from there. I fly over 100,000 miles a year and a lot on Delta, that just ended Monday for me and any body that has our gun and hunting rights in mind need to get there Sh-t together and tell them to stuff it by not flying Delta or American!!!
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Did American Airlines follow suit?
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Most of you are missing the point, this is just a start. They will start with these animals then go from there. I fly over 100,000 miles a year and a lot on Delta, that just ended Monday for me and any body that has our gun and hunting rights in mind need to get there Sh-t together and tell them to stuff it by not flying Delta or American!!!
I don't think we are missing the point. It's not going to stop with animals, guns will be next
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Response from Delta:
"Dear Mr. Pianoman,
RE: Case Number 16928932
Thank you for your email to Delta Air Lines sharing your disappointment
with the hunting trophies.
Delta has banned the shipment of all lion, leopard, elephant, rhinoceros
and buffalo trophies worldwide as freight. Prior to this ban, Delta's
strict acceptance policy called for absolute compliance with all
government regulations regarding protected species. Delta will also
review the acceptance policies for other hunting trophies with the
appropriate government agencies and other organizations that support
legal shipments.
We value customer feedback and appreciate you taking the time to contact
us. We understand your feelings surrounding this issue, and we are
grateful you took the time to let us know how our actions have been
perceived. Your concerns have been reported to the appropriate
leadership for internal review.
We appreciate your selection of Delta and will always welcome the
opportunity to be of service.
Sincerely,
Blossom Smith
Online Customer Support Desk
http://www.delta.com"
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"Blossom Smith". :chuckle: Probably married to John Smith, and cousin of Jane Doe.
Thanks for writing them.
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Did American Airlines follow suit?
American does not fly directly to/from South Africa.
But yes, they did.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2015/08/03/american-airlines-animal-trophy-ban/31090331/
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Ok Mr. Pianoman, I wrote Delta. I was nice--promise! :chuckle:
Then I copied the text and sent it to American, as well, Bob.
http://www.aa.com/contactAA/viewEmailFormAccess.do?eventName=customerRelations