Post by: aorams on August 09, 2015, 05:42:01 PM
Weapon
Tikka T3 .300 winmag
4 rounds of ammo
bore snake
Optics
FHF Bino Harness
Vortex Diamondback 8 x 42 with tripod adapter
Vortex Ranger
Vortex 11-33x50 Spotting Scope
Vortex Summit Tripod
lens cloth
Outdoorsman's Pack (with a lot of pockets and material removed)
Black Diamond Trail Pro Shock Trekking Poles
Food and Water per day
1 Hawks Vittles Dinner
Probar Base
1 Packet of dehydrated fruit
Bagel Sandwich
Jet Boil Stove(the basic one)
1 Fuel Cannister
3L Camelback bladder with Sawyer inline filter
Sleep System
Thermarest Neoair Xtherm
REI Flash Sleeping Bag
First Aid Kit/Hygiene Kit (for two of us)
Sawyer Filter Syringe
Dehydrated Wet Wipes
Occlusive bandage
tourniquet
Aspirin, ibuprofen and benadryl
leukotape
assorted neosporin packets, blister bandages and bandaids
Kill Kit
T.A.G. Bomb Bags
Havalon with a couple spare blades
Buck Knife Paklite 140
marking tape
paracord
large contractor bags
Shelter (Split between two of us)
Seek Outside Little Bug Out with stakes and pole extensions
Other Essentials
Delorme InReach
Portable Electronics Charger
Headlamp
Lithium Batteries
Map and Compass
BIC and firestarters
Clothes
Merino base layer
Salomon x alp boot
First lite Kanab pant
First lite Chama hoody
First lite Labrador Sweater
Kifaru Lost Park Parka
For Rain
OR Foray Jacket and Pants
Backpack Cover
Post by: dreamunelk on August 09, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
Post by: Miles on August 09, 2015, 06:13:20 PM
Post by: aorams on August 09, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
4 rounds of ammo seems a little light for a back country trip. Why the bore snake?
I pack it just in case i get foreign material in the barrel. I cover it up with electrical tape but if the moisture peels it off and leaves my barrel exposed I would have a way to clear it. But I can't actually say that it's ever happened to me...
Post by: dreamunelk on August 09, 2015, 06:24:24 PM
Post by: aorams on August 09, 2015, 06:25:43 PM
Meat bags and TP are the first I noticed. Some monkey butt treatment are worth a couple of ounces. A few more rounds of ammo is recommended. Looks a little lite on food. Never a bad idea to throw in some long underwear.
the TAG bags are game bags and my TP is wet wipes... I do have a wool base layer, I just forgot to write it down... How much more ammo should I bring?
Post by: 7mag. on August 09, 2015, 06:55:10 PM
4 rounds of ammo seems a little light for a back country trip. Why the bore snake?
I pack it just in case i get foreign material in the barrel. I cover it up with electrical tape but if the moisture peels it off and leaves my barrel exposed I would have a way to clear it. But I can't actually say that it's ever happened to me...
It's happened to me. I ALWAYS take a bore snake, even in my day pack. I suggest a bottle of some kind. A Nalgene or empty Gatorade bottle. It's irritating to have to suck off a hose that's connected to your pack, while eating dinner. I also take some kind of drink mix with electrolytes, to help with recovery after long, physical days in the mountains. I like the Gatorade powder.
Post by: Alpine Mojo on August 09, 2015, 07:40:52 PM
Fire steel or water/wind proof matches. Don't trust your life to a bic lighter.
I guess I've been "trusting my life" to Bic lighters for 30+ years. I always carry two in case one gets lost. They are small. I never could justify carrying a handfull of matches when I can get thousands of lights from a single Bic lighter.
Post by: couesbitten on August 09, 2015, 08:43:12 PM
How much more ammo should I bring?
I'd get a buttstock ammo holder, load it up, fill the magazine, and that should give you 10 - 12 rounds.
Post by: twinners on August 10, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on August 10, 2015, 09:51:17 AM
And I recommend to everyone to vary textures and tastes.
I think there are ways to clear your barrel without a bore snake...just have to be a bit ingenious.
More ammo.
One contractor bag per person should be more then enough.
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Post by: MLBowhunting on August 10, 2015, 10:09:50 AM
Post by: lamrith on August 10, 2015, 11:32:30 AM
I totally understand wanting something to clear a barrel when you are in deep, but Bore snakes are just not designed to do that?
Post by: Duckhunter14 on August 10, 2015, 02:00:02 PM
bore snakes are string, they will not have the "force" to clear a clogged barrel, they are only good for use in a clear but fouled barrel to my knowledge?
I totally understand wanting something to clear a barrel when you are in deep, but Bore snakes are just not designed to do that?
The idea may be to clear the blackage with a small stick then clean/dry the bore with the snake? Would be my guess. :dunno:
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 10, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
i would also change up your food. plan to boil at night and bring something for lunch, with snacks throughout the day. short trips are easy, over 5 days lunch gets VERY boring. i make bagels with pb, bacon and honey and tortillas with string cheese salami and pepperoni.
consider one of the lens cloths that tucks inside itself to keep it clean.
i may be light on bullets, but i take a loaded mag(3) and 4 extra.
play around with using a small bungy to hold binos on your tripod head. i started with the same adapter you have, then switched to a different adapter, then was shown the bungy method and its great. maybe silk can post a pic.
for the shelter pole, consider joining a set of trekking poles, one from each man, leaves you with a pole each still. and by the time the packout comes, you can take shelter down.
overall list looks pretty dialed to me and your chosen gear should serve you well.
Post by: Branden on August 10, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
Post by: ridgefire on August 10, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on August 11, 2015, 02:53:37 PM
Post by: aorams on August 11, 2015, 03:23:02 PM
I'm going to add 4 more rounds and vary up my food a bit. Otherwise, I'd like this list to carry me through any of our modern firearm seasons. I'll probably replace my primaloft jacket with something like Kifaru's Lost Parka after the high hunt and look into a more insulating sleep system for later in the year. My shelter has a stove jack. Any of you have any luck packing one of the titanium stoves into the woods for extended stays?
Post by: Stein on August 11, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
I also carry a cord around my neck with a lighter, button compass, extra truck key, whistle and small ferro rod. That said, I almost never start a fire backpacking, it would be an emergency thing. Takes time, makes a mess and I could care less.
I would also pack a few more rounds, you never know when you will run across a coyote or something else tasty. Once, I had my scope off and missed so bad I needed to sight it in again. I had the turret one complete revolution off. I usually take two magazines with four rounds each. That way, even if I lose one I'm still good to go.
Post by: 7mag. on August 11, 2015, 06:07:20 PM
Thanks everyone.
I'm going to add 4 more rounds and vary up my food a bit. Otherwise, I'd like this list to carry me through any of our modern firearm seasons. I'll probably replace my primaloft jacket with something like Kifaru's Lost Parka after the high hunt and look into a more insulating sleep system for later in the year. My shelter has a stove jack. Any of you have any luck packing one of the titanium stoves into the woods for extended stays?
I use the titanium Kifaru cylinder stove. Less than 2 pounds and works great, especially if you need to dry out wet gear.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on August 11, 2015, 07:21:03 PM
Thanks everyone.
I'm going to add 4 more rounds and vary up my food a bit. Otherwise, I'd like this list to carry me through any of our modern firearm seasons. I'll probably replace my primaloft jacket with something like Kifaru's Lost Parka after the high hunt and look into a more insulating sleep system for later in the year. My shelter has a stove jack. Any of you have any luck packing one of the titanium stoves into the woods for extended stays?
A titanium or stainless stove is awesome in the back country. Some days its the best 2 lbs I've carried in. It can make a real difference when I'm alone (most of the time) or on nights after a wet/cold day.
Post by: spin05 on August 12, 2015, 04:18:59 AM
Post by: aorams on August 12, 2015, 08:33:20 AM
looks pretty good. Curious if you have wieghed it all yet????
53lbs all included with 3L water and food for 5 days
Post by: Stein on August 12, 2015, 09:26:27 AM
looks pretty good. Curious if you have wieghed it all yet????
53lbs all included with 3L water and food for 5 days
Sounds very reasonable to me.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on August 12, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
Post by: aorams on August 12, 2015, 11:49:57 AM
That's very good! Any ideas on your total pack weight? For me I don't count my weapon, boots, or clothes I wear in, as these are non negotiable items. Just estimating but your actual pack weight is prolly well under 40 even with optics. Nice!
Thanks!! My gun is 7.5 and 3 L of water is about 6.6lbs. My food comes in at about 1.25lbs per day so minus that stuff it's close to 34 lbs if my math is right. What I can say for sure is that this process has extended our backcountry trips since the first time we did it and because my dad has a similar set up to mine he's still backpack hunting on foot at 65 years old! Being able to hunt with my dad like this has been worth every penny/ounce.
Post by: CoryTDF on August 12, 2015, 12:13:32 PM
Take all the unnecessary packaging off of all items. Also, unless you think your going to need to provide pills for the whole mountain I would cut your medicine supply significantly. I think you can drop some weight for sure.
Other than that though it looks pretty darn good.
Post by: aorams on August 12, 2015, 12:57:22 PM
Yikes! 53 pounds is a lot of weight. I would start with looking into a smaller water bladder. 3L is a ton of water and not light at all. I doubt that you will drink all that before you can fill back up. The inline system you have is great though and makes your refill times that much faster. I also think a small bottle of some type would be good. I like to have a bottle back at camp to mix my Sqwencher packets into.
Take all the unnecessary packaging off of all items. Also, unless you think your going to need to provide pills for the whole mountain I would cut your medicine supply significantly. I think you can drop some weight for sure.
Other than that though it looks pretty darn good.
How much weight would be a reasonable goal? I could save 4.4 lbs by reducing to 1L of water and save another couple of oz. by reducing the amount of aspirin, ibuprofen and benadryl... Anything else glaring I should consider?
Post by: Branden on August 12, 2015, 01:02:40 PM
I have done a 10 day hunt with 54#. But I don't bring a stove fuel etc and eat cold food.
Post by: CoryTDF on August 12, 2015, 01:56:03 PM
Yikes! 53 pounds is a lot of weight. I would start with looking into a smaller water bladder. 3L is a ton of water and not light at all. I doubt that you will drink all that before you can fill back up. The inline system you have is great though and makes your refill times that much faster. I also think a small bottle of some type would be good. I like to have a bottle back at camp to mix my Sqwencher packets into.
Take all the unnecessary packaging off of all items. Also, unless you think your going to need to provide pills for the whole mountain I would cut your medicine supply significantly. I think you can drop some weight for sure.
Other than that though it looks pretty darn good.
How much weight would be a reasonable goal? I could save 4.4 lbs by reducing to 1L of water and save another couple of oz. by reducing the amount of aspirin, ibuprofen and benadryl... Anything else glaring I should consider?
That is a good start. 5 pounds of weight is a lot when your talking about long hikes day in and day out. You also have to think that if you kill something you are going to be coming out WAY more loaded than you went in. So saving weight any place you can is helpful.
48 pounds is better than 53. Either way though, your load looks good and I think you will be just fine.
Post by: aorams on August 12, 2015, 02:16:39 PM
Yikes! 53 pounds is a lot of weight. I would start with looking into a smaller water bladder. 3L is a ton of water and not light at all. I doubt that you will drink all that before you can fill back up. The inline system you have is great though and makes your refill times that much faster. I also think a small bottle of some type would be good. I like to have a bottle back at camp to mix my Sqwencher packets into.
Take all the unnecessary packaging off of all items. Also, unless you think your going to need to provide pills for the whole mountain I would cut your medicine supply significantly. I think you can drop some weight for sure.
Other than that though it looks pretty darn good.
How much weight would be a reasonable goal? I could save 4.4 lbs by reducing to 1L of water and save another couple of oz. by reducing the amount of aspirin, ibuprofen and benadryl... Anything else glaring I should consider?
That is a good start. 5 pounds of weight is a lot when your talking about long hikes day in and day out. You also have to think that if you kill something you are going to be coming out WAY more loaded than you went in. So saving weight any place you can is helpful.
48 pounds is better than 53. Either way though, your load looks good and I think you will be just fine.
Copy.. thanks!
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 13, 2015, 09:43:47 PM
This is just another thought for those of you asking about the bore snake. You actually have one already but don't know it. Here's what we did a few time in the Army and it worked really well. If you actually do plug your bore with some mud or whatever, just use a stick or whatever just to get it open enough to get light through. Take that 550 cord and slowly burn an inch of it or so, pinching and rolling it into a nice, stiffened point. slide it through your breech and out the end of the barrel. Tie a single knot for .22 caliber, or a heavy double for .30 about an inch from the end. You may have to play with this a bit depending on whether that's 7 strand or something else. Wrap the other end around your hand a time or two and pull it through. Cut the knot off, tie a new one, and repeat. Your bore will be surprisingly clean and you won't have to deal with carrying a bore snake, cleaning rods, etc...
That 550 will serve for everything from fixing a broken bootlace, tourniquet, repairing a pack, bore snake, makeshift belt, strapping quarters to your pack or hanging them up, etc... I carry about 25'
Post by: CoryTDF on August 14, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
There are two things you must have - one I see, one I don't. They are 550 cord and duct tape (think a couple feet of heavy duty Gorilla duct tape. You can use that for everything from first aid, repair, or especially in place of moleskin to cover hot spots or blisters. It actually works better and stays in place more in my opinion.
This is just another thought for those of you asking about the bore snake. You actually have one already but don't know it. Here's what we did a few time in the Army and it worked really well. If you actually do plug your bore with some mud or whatever, just use a stick or whatever just to get it open enough to get light through. Take that 550 cord and slowly burn an inch of it or so, pinching and rolling it into a nice, stiffened point. slide it through your breech and out the end of the barrel. Tie a single knot for .22 caliber, or a heavy double for .30 about an inch from the end. You may have to play with this a bit depending on whether that's 7 strand or something else. Wrap the other end around your hand a time or two and pull it through. Cut the knot off, tie a new one, and repeat. Your bore will be surprisingly clean and you won't have to deal with carrying a bore snake, cleaning rods, etc...
That 550 will serve for everything from fixing a broken bootlace, tourniquet, repairing a pack, bore snake, makeshift belt, strapping quarters to your pack or hanging them up, etc... I carry about 25'
:yeah:That is a solid tip!
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2015, 10:33:04 AM
I hear guys brag about how far and fast they can carry a 100# meat load and then get all wound up over a couple of pounds of whatever on the pack in. At the end of the day, 5# isn't going to kill you or hardly be noticeable. If you pack in 48 pounds for x miles, you're going to be tired. If you pack in 53, you're going to be tired.
If I had a 53# pack that I was convinced was 5# too heavy, I would lose 5# of bodyfat by hiking around town with a heavy pack finding all the hills I could for a couple of weeks.
Post by: fillthefreezer on August 14, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
If I had a 53# pack that I was convinced was 5# too heavy, I would lose 5# of bodyfat by hiking around town with a heavy pack finding all the hills I could for a couple of weeks.this is august, season is here. some people dont have 5lbs to lose...
Post by: Stein on August 14, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
If they haven't trained, they are in trouble that packweight reductions cannot fix.
I have hiked with enough people to know that fitness and mental toughness limit more people than the choice between 1 and 3 L of water.
Post by: sirmissalot on August 14, 2015, 11:05:16 AM
My pack for this past weekend was bouncing right around 40lbs with food, water and including my rifle, but that was just 3 days worth of food.
Have you tried drinking out of your bladder with your sawyer connected like that? I've read they recommend having it closer to the bite valve so you may check in out. I run mine on a separate 3L big zip bladder with a quick connect so I don't have to pull my bladder out of my pack everytime I want to fill, and its great to have a separate bladder to keep full back at camp.
Stein is right, mental toughness is huge in the backcountry. You really have to want to be there and make it happen if you want to stay out there and in the end be successful.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 14, 2015, 11:33:30 AM
There are two things you must have - one I see, one I don't. They are 550 cord and duct tape (think a couple feet of heavy duty Gorilla duct tape. You can use that for everything from first aid, repair, or especially in place of moleskin to cover hot spots or blisters. It actually works better and stays in place more in my opinion.
This is just another thought for those of you asking about the bore snake. You actually have one already but don't know it. Here's what we did a few time in the Army and it worked really well. If you actually do plug your bore with some mud or whatever, just use a stick or whatever just to get it open enough to get light through. Take that 550 cord and slowly burn an inch of it or so, pinching and rolling it into a nice, stiffened point. slide it through your breech and out the end of the barrel. Tie a single knot for .22 caliber, or a heavy double for .30 about an inch from the end. You may have to play with this a bit depending on whether that's 7 strand or something else. Wrap the other end around your hand a time or two and pull it through. Cut the knot off, tie a new one, and repeat. Your bore will be surprisingly clean and you won't have to deal with carrying a bore snake, cleaning rods, etc...
That 550 will serve for everything from fixing a broken bootlace, tourniquet, repairing a pack, bore snake, makeshift belt, strapping quarters to your pack or hanging them up, etc... I carry about 25'
:yeah:That is a solid tip!
Except the tourniquet part - 550 will not work as a tourniquet.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on August 14, 2015, 11:51:02 AM
Post by: Tbob on August 14, 2015, 02:04:32 PM
Post by: aorams on August 14, 2015, 03:28:10 PM
5lbs can certainly add up over time, especially 5 miles in, but I wouldn't skimp too much on water unless you have your water fill up points all mapped out. 3 L isn't all that much and in most cases I'll drink that on the way in, but it depends how steep and how deep. Hydration is important so I wouldn't skimp on it, but I also wouldn't haul a full 6L bladder in... my bladder is a 4L dromlite and I generally fill it around 3/4 full. This past weekend we found ourselves out of water for a good amount of time between sources and it was hot... wasn't a good scenario but we got lucky and found a spring a few miles before we got to our destination which was a lake.
My pack for this past weekend was bouncing right around 40lbs with food, water and including my rifle, but that was just 3 days worth of food.
Have you tried drinking out of your bladder with your sawyer connected like that? I've read they recommend having it closer to the bite valve so you may check in out. I run mine on a separate 3L big zip bladder with a quick connect so I don't have to pull my bladder out of my pack everytime I want to fill, and its great to have a separate bladder to keep full back at camp.
Stein is right, mental toughness is huge in the backcountry. You really have to want to be there and make it happen if you want to stay out there and in the end be successful.
I've had it in both positions and prefer it closest to the bladder. I don't notice any extra resistance although there is certainly more than without the filter at all. I'm curious about the gravity two bladder systems but my current set up works so well I'm lacking the incentive to try it out.
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on August 15, 2015, 12:28:09 PM
If a person is so fit that they don't have 5# of bodyfat then they shouldn't have any problem.
If they haven't trained, they are in trouble that packweight reductions cannot fix.
I have hiked with enough people to know that fitness and mental toughness limit more people than the choice between 1 and 3 L of water.
You're not incorrect that fitness and mental toughness are more of a limiting factor.
But when you are putting in 40k ft of gain, and 50 miles over a hunt, 5 lbs adds up to your body fatigue, which effects the effectiveness of your ability to hunt.
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Post by: Branden on August 15, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
But when you are putting in 40k ft of gain, and 50 miles over a hunt, 5 lbs adds up to your body fatigue, which effects the effectiveness of your ability to hunt.
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I have hunted and backpacked in a lot of places, and I have never hunted somewhere that I'm averaging 800' of gain per mile over 50 miles. If you did a loop or out and back hunt to the same vehicle then you are talking 1600' of gain per mile for 25 miles and 1600' of loss per mile for 25 miles. That's really impressive
Post by: SilkOnTheDrySide on August 15, 2015, 01:53:10 PM
But when you are putting in 40k ft of gain, and 50 miles over a hunt, 5 lbs adds up to your body fatigue, which effects the effectiveness of your ability to hunt.
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I have hunted and backpacked in a lot of places, and I have never hunted somewhere that I'm averaging 800' of gain per mile over 50 miles. If you did a loop or out and back hunt to the same vehicle then you are talking 1600' of gain per mile for 25 miles and 1600' of loss per mile for 25 miles. That's really impressive
Distance is tough to gauge off trail to be fair, and my numbers are based off my suunto altimeter log kept in
We hit 26k in the Wenaha this spring in I believe 7 total days, unsure of mileage.
But when you are dropping 1k a couple times a day to glass, the gains add up.
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Post by: kentrek on August 15, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on August 16, 2015, 06:55:11 AM
Anyone that's done some serious drops can attest to the impact your joints take...5 pounds of waist is huge
:yeah:
And the majority of hunters can drop waste by working out and eating better. Buy the fancy gear when you can afford it. I wouldn't worry about cutting ounces when most have 20-30lbs they can drop in body weight.
Post by: aorams on September 21, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
4 rounds of ammo seems a little light for a back country trip. Why the bore snake?
I pack it just in case i get foreign material in the barrel. I cover it up with electrical tape but if the moisture peels it off and leaves my barrel exposed I would have a way to clear it. But I can't actually say that it's ever happened to me...
I ended up using this on day 4!
Post by: aorams on September 21, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
i dont know where/or seasons youre hunting but IMO your sleeping bag is inadequate. if you have pushed the limits on this bag, disregard all of this. i tend to sleep cold, but thats an EN comfort for men of 35* or so. i would suggest at the least en lower limit of 15*. keep in mind, real world backcountry factors that, even if tested in cold front porch weather, things like dehydration and vasoconstriction, lack of nutrition etc all play into making you cold.
i would also change up your food. plan to boil at night and bring something for lunch, with snacks throughout the day. short trips are easy, over 5 days lunch gets VERY boring. i make bagels with pb, bacon and honey and tortillas with string cheese salami and pepperoni.
consider one of the lens cloths that tucks inside itself to keep it clean.
i may be light on bullets, but i take a loaded mag(3) and 4 extra.
play around with using a small bungy to hold binos on your tripod head. i started with the same adapter you have, then switched to a different adapter, then was shown the bungy method and its great. maybe silk can post a pic.
for the shelter pole, consider joining a set of trekking poles, one from each man, leaves you with a pole each still. and by the time the packout comes, you can take shelter down.
overall list looks pretty dialed to me and your chosen gear should serve you well.
It snowed the first night and I was a bit cold. i think I am going to add a second bag for colder weather to my arsenal! Thank you
Post by: high country on September 22, 2015, 11:34:20 PM
Post by: Tbob on November 21, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 21, 2015, 11:49:25 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on November 22, 2015, 06:48:16 AM
I for one will admit that some of my stuff is to heavy but I just grin and bear it and push on. I guess that's the mental part someone mentioned.
Post by: Zuus on November 22, 2015, 07:18:21 AM
A buddy drew a goat tag this year, and didn't have a lot of experience backpacking, so I said I would help. He went through a lot of thought, tossed out a lot of niceties, and ended up right at 53 lbs including his rifle, spotting scope and binocs.
"A pound of weight on your feet is like 5 pounds on your back" This was quoted to me by an old backpacking buddy, many years ago. I weigh my boots!
He spent a bunch of money on Kuiu ultralight down gear. Very nice stuff, but spendy.
His sleep system was a hammock and quilt setup. Rained hard on him, then was sub-30's and he was quite comfortable.
Scouting ahead after doing Google earth searches helped a bunch. He knew where the water was, so could plan ahead. One drawback, a water supply that we scouted out went dry on him. But he knew where others were and was able to get by.
He found that varying his food made for more enjoyable meals. Adding sweet things like Snickers, or a cookie was worth the weight.
He did shoot his goat! And I don't know if he would change much in his pack if he was to do it again.
Post by: high country on November 22, 2015, 03:56:38 PM
Anybody ever try using the Aqua Mirra drops for water purification? I use them all the time. They weigh less than my small filter too. Don't have any bad tastes.. Only down side is you have to wait about 15 min to drink your water once treated.
They work good and don't leave an iodine flavor. Do pay attention to water temp.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 09, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Vortex Diamondback 8 x 42 with tripod adapter
Vortex Ranger
On longer hunts/hikes, I'm finding that I'm using my Leupold 1000 ranger just as much as my 10x42 Nikons. So I'm leaving the Nikons behind to save almost 2 pounds.
1 Hawks Vittles Dinner -At up to 27ounces each, you need to watch which ones you select.
2 Justins Nut Butter Packets
1 Elk langjagers
1 Packet of dehydrated fruit
Bagel Sandwich
electrolyte tabs
I take Jerkey as it's already quite dry. Other sausages are heavier. NUTS! Trailmix! Stuff that's high in protein. That's to nibble on while on the move. Bagels and cream cheese? PEANUT Butter! Little Snickers bars ;) Rice is light as hell. Stovetop Stuffing, also light. Dehydrated chicken or canned chicken re-packaged in per-serving vacume bags. Dehydrated mango slices. Lipton noodle soup packets.
Jet Boil Stove(the basic one) = 15.25 ounces. ( suppose that includes the cup?)
MSR Pocket Rocket stove = 3 ounces. (Add in the Snow Peak TI-Silicone Hybrid Cookset which gives you a pot, silicone bowl and a pan/lid for the pot. The Pocket Rocket fits inside. Epoxy the Pocket Rocket case holes and you've got a cup for tea. The pan/lid on the pot saves fuel when boiling water by keeping the heat inside) Total weight of the stove and cookset = 11 ounces. Now that 4.25 ounce savings might not seem like much, but if you analyze all of your gear, weight savings add up. And... you get the extra cooking items that come in handy. Oh, and it's much smaller in the pack than that Jet Boil. I also use Snow Peak Ti-Spork.
3L Camelback bladder with Sawyer inline filter
I do not use pack bladders! Crush a 2L pop bottle to use at camp. A nalgine, couple of 20oz or 1L Dew bottles are great. I like the Nalgine since my water filter fits the top. I agree about other comments, there is no reason to carry that much water. Know where your water sources are. Use your filter/tabs and refill when necessary.
Sawyer Filter Syringe
Too small for an extended trip. Great for just a little hike, but filling bottles for camp water would burn precious time. I'll stick with my Katadyn Hiker Pro.
T.A.G. Bomb Bags = 10 ounces..
I'll stick with pillow cases! They breath too.
changes of socks and underwear all merino(depending on trip length)
You take more than one change of underwear? Turn them inside out.. You get an extra day. Wash the previous pair, they'll get two days to dry!
I think there's still some weight you can cut from your pack.
-Steve
Post by: 7mag. on December 09, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
Vortex Diamondback 8 x 42 with tripod adapter
Vortex Ranger
On longer hunts/hikes, I'm finding that I'm using my Leupold 1000 ranger just as much as my 10x42 Nikons. So I'm leaving the Nikons behind to save almost 2 pounds.
1 Hawks Vittles Dinner -At up to 27ounces each, you need to watch which ones you select.
2 Justins Nut Butter Packets
1 Elk langjagers
1 Packet of dehydrated fruit
Bagel Sandwich
electrolyte tabs
I take Jerkey as it's already quite dry. Other sausages are heavier. NUTS! Trailmix! Stuff that's high in protein. That's to nibble on while on the move. Bagels and cream cheese? PEANUT Butter! Little Snickers bars ;) Rice is light as hell. Stovetop Stuffing, also light. Dehydrated chicken or canned chicken re-packaged in per-serving vacume bags. Dehydrated mango slices. Lipton noodle soup packets.
Jet Boil Stove(the basic one) = 15.25 ounces. ( suppose that includes the cup?)
MSR Pocket Rocket stove = 3 ounces. (Add in the Snow Peak TI-Silicone Hybrid Cookset which gives you a pot, silicone bowl and a pan/lid for the pot. The Pocket Rocket fits inside. Epoxy the Pocket Rocket case holes and you've got a cup for tea. The pan/lid on the pot saves fuel when boiling water by keeping the heat inside) Total weight of the stove and cookset = 11 ounces. Now that 4.25 ounce savings might not seem like much, but if you analyze all of your gear, weight savings add up. And... you get the extra cooking items that come in handy. Oh, and it's much smaller in the pack than that Jet Boil. I also use Snow Peak Ti-Spork.
3L Camelback bladder with Sawyer inline filter
I do not use pack bladders! Crush a 2L pop bottle to use at camp. A nalgine, couple of 20oz or 1L Dew bottles are great. I like the Nalgine since my water filter fits the top. I agree about other comments, there is no reason to carry that much water. Know where your water sources are. Use your filter/tabs and refill when necessary.
Sawyer Filter Syringe
Too small for an extended trip. Great for just a little hike, but filling bottles for camp water would burn precious time. I'll stick with my Katadyn Hiker Pro.
T.A.G. Bomb Bags = 10 ounces..
I'll stick with pillow cases! They breath too.
changes of socks and underwear all merino(depending on trip length)
You take more than one change of underwear? Turn them inside out.. You get an extra day. Wash the previous pair, they'll get two days to dry!
I think there's still some weight you can cut from your pack.
-Steve
First of all, are you saying that you glass with your rangefinder? I really hope that's not what you're suggesting. If it is, get real.
Next, the Sawyer syringe is for backflushing the Sawyer filter, not filling anything up with it.
Pillow cases? Cotton is the devil in the backcountry. T.A.G. B.O.M.B bags out perform cotton sacks by an incredible amount. T.A.G. bags stretch yet hold their cylinder shape, so that your boned out meat doesn't end up in a giant wad in the bottom of your pack like it does with a pillow case, making for a very uncomfortable pack out. T.A.G. bags also weigh less and last longer.
Post by: fillthefreezer on December 10, 2015, 10:15:04 AM
glassing with a rangefinder.....
that 10oz of bomb bags is enough bags to breakdown an entire bull elk. i just weighed one crappy cotton pillow case at 3.2oz. (x6)... thats 19oz
time and time again, ive seen you post on other peoples gear list with info thats just wrong.... :bash:
Post by: aorams on December 10, 2015, 08:08:49 PM
changes of socks and underwear all merino(depending on trip length)
You take more than one change of underwear? Turn them inside out.. You get an extra day. Wash the previous pair, they'll get two days to dry!
Your'e right about the extra clothes! I never ended up changing on my trips this year.
Post by: aorams on December 10, 2015, 08:12:44 PM
that 10oz of bomb bags is enough bags to breakdown an entire bull elk.
How many do you think I will need for a deer? I thought about taking half of them for deer and all of them for elk.
Post by: aorams on December 10, 2015, 08:18:07 PM
Thanks again for all the help! I will post an updated pack weight soon...
Post by: fillthefreezer on December 10, 2015, 08:22:19 PM
How many do you think I will need for a deer? I thought about taking half of them for deer and all of them for elk.without a doubt two of the large and 1 small would do. for most boned deer you may even be able to get by with less, but likely not worth it.
IME, the long bomb bags will hold 55lbs of meat. 60 at most.
Post by: aorams on December 10, 2015, 08:34:48 PM
How many do you think I will need for a deer? I thought about taking half of them for deer and all of them for elk.without a doubt two of the large and 1 small would do. for most boned deer you may even be able to get by with less, but likely not worth it.
IME, the long bomb bags will hold 55lbs of meat. 60 at most.
copy.... thanks!
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on December 10, 2015, 08:35:40 PM
Vortex Diamondback 8 x 42 with tripod adapter
Vortex Ranger
On longer hunts/hikes, I'm finding that I'm using my Leupold 1000 ranger just as much as my 10x42 Nikons. So I'm leaving the Nikons behind to save almost 2 pounds.
1 Hawks Vittles Dinner -At up to 27ounces each, you need to watch which ones you select.
2 Justins Nut Butter Packets
1 Elk langjagers
1 Packet of dehydrated fruit
Bagel Sandwich
electrolyte tabs
I take Jerkey as it's already quite dry. Other sausages are heavier. NUTS! Trailmix! Stuff that's high in protein. That's to nibble on while on the move. Bagels and cream cheese? PEANUT Butter! Little Snickers bars ;) Rice is light as hell. Stovetop Stuffing, also light. Dehydrated chicken or canned chicken re-packaged in per-serving vacume bags. Dehydrated mango slices. Lipton noodle soup packets.
Jet Boil Stove(the basic one) = 15.25 ounces. ( suppose that includes the cup?)
MSR Pocket Rocket stove = 3 ounces. (Add in the Snow Peak TI-Silicone Hybrid Cookset which gives you a pot, silicone bowl and a pan/lid for the pot. The Pocket Rocket fits inside. Epoxy the Pocket Rocket case holes and you've got a cup for tea. The pan/lid on the pot saves fuel when boiling water by keeping the heat inside) Total weight of the stove and cookset = 11 ounces. Now that 4.25 ounce savings might not seem like much, but if you analyze all of your gear, weight savings add up. And... you get the extra cooking items that come in handy. Oh, and it's much smaller in the pack than that Jet Boil. I also use Snow Peak Ti-Spork.
3L Camelback bladder with Sawyer inline filter
I do not use pack bladders! Crush a 2L pop bottle to use at camp. A nalgine, couple of 20oz or 1L Dew bottles are great. I like the Nalgine since my water filter fits the top. I agree about other comments, there is no reason to carry that much water. Know where your water sources are. Use your filter/tabs and refill when necessary.
Sawyer Filter Syringe
Too small for an extended trip. Great for just a little hike, but filling bottles for camp water would burn precious time. I'll stick with my Katadyn Hiker Pro.
T.A.G. Bomb Bags = 10 ounces..
I'll stick with pillow cases! They breath too.
changes of socks and underwear all merino(depending on trip length)
You take more than one change of underwear? Turn them inside out.. You get an extra day. Wash the previous pair, they'll get two days to dry!
I think there's still some weight you can cut from your pack.
-Steve
Not sure where you hunt, but I can only think of very few areas where dropping the weight of the binoculars would outweigh the benefit of having them, heck depending on the hunt I would carry more weight in optics if it means I will walk less miles. But in some areas where the timber and vegetation is thick a lighter pair of binoculars may suffice. I still dont know about a rangfinder but each his own.
Second the bomb bags or other synthetic bags. Dont see how you can argue pillowcases penciling out in the backcountry from a weight standpoint.Unless you are onto some sweet new pillowcase then please share!
Bladders are lighter than nalgene. And can compress smaller than soda bottles of similar capacity. I usually carry a nalgene and large bladder in areas where water is scarce. Fill the nalgene as needed and the bladder for camp or when I know I will be in a dry area.
Although the stove is smaller, is the entire cookset that much smaller than a jetboil? I agree with FTF I have used the "freeburner" stoves plenty and efficiency and cooktime is not even close. Even if packing foil or other material for windscreen I havent had as good of luck, and its a PITA, offset by a couple ounces for convenience.
Update: I don't know how to feel about this yet... So far no remorse, but I was able to cut almost 2 lbs from my Outdoorsmans Optics Pack by unsewing several pockets that added little value and cutting away some "extra material". This saved me from buying a new one for a little while, but it's clear that a new one is in my future...
Thanks again for all the help! I will post an updated pack weight soon...
This is smart :tup: and another reason I like my kifaru. It allows me to taylor what pockets I want without paying a weight penalty for pockets I don't. The AMR came with 3 pockets. After a season, I decided to add a couple waist belt pockets because of convenience.
Post by: kentrek on December 10, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
Also be sure to vacuum seal the game bags into a nice flat package, space is important too :tup:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 11, 2015, 08:22:00 AM
On the ridge top.. I'll use the spotter. It has an adjustable zoom. Funny.. Most people don't ever dial it down. Just an option folks.. Don't shoot me.
-Steve
Post by: 300rum on December 13, 2015, 06:33:50 PM
I would just stick to Ibuprofen, Aspirin is so hard on the system (especially doing what you are doing) and if you start bleeding you don't want it in you to begin with.
My first aid kit consists of a couple of band aids, Ibuprofen, and duck tape. If you need anything more then that, you won't need it for very long. That's just me though.
Coghlans makes a Cotton Laundry bag that is plenty big and plenty sturdy for a boned out deer or two trips with and Elk. I have used this bag many times now. The bags cost less then $10, I have both thrown them away after using and reused them again, I haven't found anything lighter or sturdier. I would imagine they weigh a couple ounces (if that) but I haven't weighed one. http://www.coghlans.com/products/laundry-bag-9856
I too would go with a pocket rocket and their small fuel can. I went head to head with my buddies jetboil for 7 days in Idaho (8k feet) this year and he took so much longer to get things going, at least twice the time. You can also use your Ti kettle on the fire which will save your fuel and, again, makes it more useful then the jetboil. After the trip, he ditched his jetboil....
Use a couple of Freezer style heavy duty Ziploc gallon bags, they will come in very handy for storing and gathering bulk water. I like to have some bulk stored up water at camp, if I can. I made the mistake my first time on a long B-P hunting trip, I didn't have anything for bulk water, just my bladder and a water bottle. I went through those pretty quick throughout the day and had to get water every day. Luckily, I found a gallon milk jug in the (designated) Wilderness, I thought that I found gold!