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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: wheels on August 15, 2015, 10:45:01 PM

Title: slugs for elk
Post by: wheels on August 15, 2015, 10:45:01 PM: thinking of slug hunting for elk any experience with this and which ones to look in to thanks
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 15, 2015, 10:57:35 PM: hornady SSTs work well on large game. Slugs are nicer on your shoulder than they are on your wallet though. :yike:
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Post by: lokidog on August 15, 2015, 11:12:15 PM: Remember 12g or bigger for elk, at least it used to be.
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Post by: MountainWalk on August 15, 2015, 11:16:02 PM: Lightfields. Stay away from the Sabots. A 12bore is .72 caliber. Nothing silly about a 72 cal one ounce hunk of lead.
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Post by: wheels on August 15, 2015, 11:16:32 PM: i would be using 12ga
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Post by: wheels on August 15, 2015, 11:20:27 PM: eer, bear, and cougar may be hunted with
20 gauge to 10 gauge shotguns shooting
slugs or #1 or larger buckshot
Other big
game may be hunted with a 10 or 12 gauge
shotgun using slugs
Hunters must use #4
shot or smaller (e
g
, #6 shot is legal) to
Title: Re: slugs for elk
Post by: wheels on August 15, 2015, 11:22:13 PM: so if i read it right 10-12 ga slug or #! buckshot?
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Post by: TONTO on August 15, 2015, 11:32:52 PM: Rifled or smoothbore?, sabots only shoot out of rifled barrels, smoothbore shoots rifled slugs.
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Post by: lokidog on August 16, 2015, 08:24:04 AM: Quote from: wheels on August 15, 2015, 11:22:13 PM
so if i read it right 10-12 ga slug or #! buckshot?

Not for elk, slug only.

Quote from: MountainWalk on August 15, 2015, 11:16:02 PM
Nothing silly about a 72 cal one ounce hunk of lead.

What is silly is that a 20g slug/sabot is not allowed but a 45 mag revolver would be..... :dunno:
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Post by: bobcat on August 16, 2015, 08:45:17 AM: Yes, it sure is odd that they won't allow 20 gauge slugs. Not much different than a 50 caliber muzzleloader.
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Post by: lokidog on August 16, 2015, 09:02:10 AM: Quote from: bobcat on August 16, 2015, 08:45:17 AM
Yes, it sure is odd that they won't allow 20 gauge slugs. Not much different than a 50 caliber muzzleloader.

Exactly!! You could shoot a 50 cal roundball (178 gr) with 80 grains of powder and get this:

80 gr. 1,644 f.p.s./1,098 f.p.e. 1,226 f.p.s./609 f.p.e. 986 f.p.s./393 f.p.e.

Or a 20 g slug (250 Grains):

Muzzle Velocity: 1800 fps/1798 ft/lbs Velocity at 50 yds: 1628 fps Velocity at 100 yds: 1470 fps
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Post by: mikeybuck on August 16, 2015, 09:13:44 AM: 2 3/4 lightfields!
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Post by: wheels on August 16, 2015, 02:39:07 PM: i would be most likely using 870 smooth bore
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 16, 2015, 02:41:54 PM: A rifled Forster might be a good choice then. Will you use a scope or any kind of adjustable sight?
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Post by: wheels on August 16, 2015, 03:02:46 PM: might shoot with out scope and see what it does kinda hoping for under 100 shots even with rifle haven't shot animal over 100
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 16, 2015, 03:10:43 PM: Mainly I was thinking about short-med range. If the smoothbore has fixed sights, could just take some operator knowledge. I know that the old bead on a flat top, you can get some good groups at say 50 or 75 using rifled slugs...but they might be 6" or a foot from point of aim, and then no way to adjust.
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Post by: wheels on August 16, 2015, 04:47:30 PM: thats kinda what i was planning on
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Post by: lokidog on August 16, 2015, 06:36:19 PM: Quote from: wheels on August 16, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
thats kinda what i was planning on

If you have a scope, an aftermarket scope mount that fits into the 870 pins is not too expensive and gives the piece of mind of having a more definite aiming point. :twocents: They also make rifles choke tubes so you can shoot sabot slugs, but I am not sure how effective these are.
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Post by: wheels on August 16, 2015, 10:21:50 PM: thanks may have to look in to those
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Post by: mikeybuck on August 16, 2015, 11:06:56 PM: For around $120 you can buy a 21 inch rifled barrel with adjustable sights.
Short barrels are a lot more enjoyable to pack in the thick stuff than the standard 28.
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Post by: wheels on August 16, 2015, 11:12:41 PM: yea thanks may look in to that on another note is sabot a style of slug ?
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Post by: MountainWalk on August 16, 2015, 11:23:16 PM: It's a sub caliber projectile encased in a plastic shoe to provide a gas seal and bearing surface for rifling to impart a spin. Growing up in Arkansas, a shotgun was a very viable deer gun. I tried lots of them. Some are good, some are great, and some are worth less than garbage. Keep in mind this was15+years ago. I used an 870 express with the Remington rifled barrel with sights. Full bore slugs designed for rifling to me is a total elk crumpler.
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Post by: mikeybuck on August 17, 2015, 08:15:03 AM: I wouldn't use a foster slug (full bore slug for shooting out of a smooth bore).
The ones I have tested, Remington, Winchester, federal are all very soft lead. Good for deer but would lack penetration. They flatten out.

Trust me, get a rifled barrel and shoot a good sabot slug. 12 ga makes a great timber elk gun.
Title: Re: slugs for elk
Post by: huntingfool7 on August 17, 2015, 12:30:29 PM: Quote from: mikeybuck on August 17, 2015, 08:15:03 AM
I wouldn't use a foster slug (full bore slug for shooting out of a smooth bore).
The ones I have tested, Remington, Winchester, federal are all very soft lead. Good for deer but would lack penetration. They flatten out.

Trust me, get a rifled barrel and shoot a good sabot slug. 12 ga makes a great timber elk gun.

They are soft lead. The 2-3/4'' Foster slugs penetrate much better than 3''. All 3'' (12 gauge) that I've tested and recovered from deer look like a coin. The 2-3/4'' loads are moving slower. I have Texas heart shot a decent blacktail with 2-3/4 Foster slugs. That round went end to end, starting an inch to the side of the rectum and ended up in the front shoulder. That particular slug could have been loaded and shot again.
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Post by: lokidog on August 17, 2015, 10:37:55 PM: As long as you don't hit the shoulder blade, the rifled slug should be fine, the side of an elk isn't much thicker than a deer....
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Post by: msg on August 19, 2015, 05:38:32 AM: Have been using slugs for years on Roosevelts out of a Savage 212. Started with Remington one ounce copper solids, now shoot 375 grain core lok ultras. 1900 f.p.s. out of the barrel. Great results for me and buddies. Rifled barrel and scope will more than double your range. Have also shot Winchester XTP 300 grain slugs at paper. I believe that they come out at 2000 f.p.s. but not quite as much muzzle energy. They do kick like a mule.