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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: white121 on August 21, 2015, 08:24:47 PM
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pending the fires stop and the rain starts i will be entering the woods to fill my any moose tag oct 1.my 308 has been giving me problems that i was going to use so I recently decided to get a 300 RUM sendero that i will bring to battle with me and i am getting ready to do load development for. I usually go straight for the nosler accubond as i have had lots of success. but that might not happen cause 1 i cant find the 200 accubond or 210 long range accubonds anywhere. 2 i dont plan on taking that far of a shot, mabey 400 yards max so i don't need the super high bc bullets.
just trying to pick some brains on good heavy bullets
Thanks, Shaun White
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No doubt about it, I would use Barnes in that cartridge, 180 grain!
And they are available:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/463468/barnes-tipped-triple-shock-x-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-180-grain-spitzer-boat-tail-lead-free-box-of-50?cm_vc=ProductFinding
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Thanks for the input bobcat!
I know any bullet can fail but it seems that i hear about barnes not expanding and pin holing a animal more often than others.
maybe we have some other barnes guys here that can chime in one way or another
Shaun White
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200 or 220 Nosler partition. Can't say anything about your RUM though. Do know my 30'06 likes them. Only time it let me down was on the biggest Mt lion I've ever seen, last week of season for cat. I'm certain I killed it. Smelt it, couldn't find it.
I've only seen one moose shot, and it was pathetically easy, and he died without any complaints. Everyone I know who has shot a moose has told me it was inside of 100 yards.
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
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What's up with the 308? I'd take that instead.
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the barnes out of a RUM under 400 yards probably should be moving more than fast enough to open up.
I kind of like the 220 grain round noses.
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yeah i figured it should be a close shot but if i do have to take a longer shot 300-400 yards i wanted some power behind it
nosler partitions came to mind for this job
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
Is this a bullet you reload personally or have experience on a moose with?
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Lots of good bullets but I'd choose a 165 or 168 grain Barnes.
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
Is this a bullet you reload personally or have experience on a moose with?
Not that particular bullet but I've shot elk with 140 grain Barnes out of my 270 and I've seen elk shot with 168 grain Barnes out of a 300 Win Mag.
180 grain Accubonds would be another great choice, and they're available as well at Midway:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/113331/nosler-accubond-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-180-grain-bonded-spitzer-boat-tail-box-of-50?cm_vc=ProductFinding
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mountain walk
as a former competitive ftr shooter i am used to pulling .25 moa groups all day with my 308's and i built a bat actioned 308 with a mike rock sporter barrel that just wont shoot the way i know it should (3 inch groups at 100 yards) so i got fustrated and gave up on it for a while and purchased the RUM.
I still might end up taking the 308 as my groups are getting better and better as i have more time to do load development. I have always wanted a 300 cannon for longrange fun anyways.
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Shaun,
Like you, I've used the Accubond with great success. Also have had good luck with the Partitions. I've done most of my recent hunting with the Barnes though and agree with some of the earlier positive commentary. You won't have any problem with expansion- even at longer range- especially if you go with the tipped version. The only problem- if it could be considered a problem- is the loss of some petals if you shoot one at really close range. I've had that happen on one elk that I shot at close range. Shot a kudu this spring in Namibia with a Barnes at a little over 200 yards and he just tipped over.
By they way, I'll be moose hunting in 49 degrees north this fall and Barnes will be in my gun!
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i have 150, 165, and 180 accubonds just seems like theres plenty of speed so why not hit harder!
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Midway has 200 accubond and 220 partition in stock
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What about the barnes 200 grain LRX?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/919434/barnes-long-range-hunting-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-200-grain-lrx-boat-tail-box-of-50?cm_vc=ProductFinding
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Or even the 215 Berger hybrid since you mentioned wanting to do long range in the future. I have numerous kills near and far with the 215 bergers and the end result is always drt.
This coming from experience killing coyotes,deer,elk,and bears with the bergers.
I shot my moose with interlocks. But would have fully trusted the bergers, had my 375 in my hand when I found my moose.
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Good luck with your hunt USMC86!
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What about the barnes 200 grain LRX?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/919434/barnes-long-range-hunting-bullets-30-caliber-308-diameter-200-grain-lrx-boat-tail-box-of-50?cm_vc=ProductFinding
Only thing I'll personally use Barnes in is my muzzle loader. :twocents:
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Moose are really not all that hard to kill. Easier than elk in my experience. So anything will really work. :chuckle:
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
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Really bobcat???
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BULLBLASTER
do you have any experience with close range berger bullets?
I shot a whitetail doe at 50 yards with the 140 berger out of my 6.5x06 at about 3200 fps and the bullet did not expand. I hit the deer in the off side shoulder and watched it limp run 300 plus yards and hop over the fence to private property.
i always see videos of guys killing animals at long range with the bergers which means slower impact velocity. just wondering if bergers to fast dont function?
That was the day i switched to the accubombs
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The one I've seen shot kinda just stood there looking dumb. It took a few steps and just as soon as my hunter was gonna seat em again, he just fell over. Again, out of those folks I know who shot them, inside of a hundred, repeated almost the same thing. But I've never shot one.
Been a few times in my packing days I sure would have though. Rocks and sticks and dried up old horse turds just don't cut it.
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Lol, oh God. Having owned, loaded, and shot several 300 and 338 rums,, I've never seen either chambering knock something off its feet, even blacktail bucks... deer don't die by " knockdown power"... they die by boolits either causing severe hemorrhaging, or shutting the power off to legs and or brain, ie; spine or brain shots...
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96 gr RL 25 180 sirocco for 3460 fps average
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:yeah:
I will second that.
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
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Really bobcat???
:chuckle:
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i found my #35 of all time westen blacktail pic from 2012 to put as my avatar finally, scored 138 5/8ths with a 1/4 inch deduction. almost perfectly symetrical.
140 accubond 270WSM that I sadly dont own anymore
My claim to fame and best hunt to date that I got to spend with my dad
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2012 record book western blacktail!
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BULLBLASTER
do you have any experience with close range berger bullets?
I shot a whitetail doe at 50 yards with the 140 berger out of my 6.5x06 at about 3200 fps and the bullet did not expand. I hit the deer in the off side shoulder and watched it limp run 300 plus yards and hop over the fence to private property.
i always see videos of guys killing animals at long range with the bergers which means slower impact velocity. just wondering if bergers to fast dont function?
That was the day i switched to the accubombs
i have killed an elk and a bear inside 100 yards with them. Bear was a bang flop. Elk I hit in the brisket and then spined on a follow up. The brisket shot blew out the brisket and I could actually see the heart beating when I walked up to it. Bear was a pin hole going in and about a 2-3 inch exit. Shot through shoulders. The elk wasn't a great showing. But it was running :chuckle:
I've seen performance on close shots from complete devastation with heavy bone impacts to 1 inch wound channel pass through through rib cage.
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That's a awesome buck white! What area is your moose tag for?
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at the taxidermist
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HUCKLEBERRY early
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You won't have a problem with a Barnes bullet not expanding, not at the velocities of your 300 Ultra. If you're worried about it, drop down to a 165 grain. Talk about shock when you hit your moose. Probably knock him right off his feet instantly.
Really bobcat???
No guarantee but it sure would be fun to try! It surely would kill it just as quickly as anything else.
What would be really interesting is to hit it with a 150 grain Barnes.
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HUCKLEBERRY early
Great tag to have! There are some Giants up there!
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That's a sure nice buck!
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Thanks guys
That was truly my OIL tag until now (general deer late hunt GMU 621)
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621, that's my neighborhood!
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yes sir and i have seen bigger there when my dad drew the bull tag that we did not fill :bash:
they were not there the next week
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200 grain Partition. I've used the Partition in various calibers for over 25 years and have never been unhappy with their performance. Always penetrate and get the job done.
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I shot a moose in Alberta with a 180 grain Partition in a .300 Win Mag. Bullet went thru 3 foot of moose and sailed off into the sunset.
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I'd use the 180 ABs you already have. I killed a nice moose in Alaska last year with one shot from my 300WSM. It's accounted for lots of elk as well. I considered finding a heavier bullet, but that was more for a possible bear encounter than anything else.
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I like the 180 gr E-tip out of my 300 weatherby moose in Canada and 7 africian plains game and a couple mule deer
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of all the animals I have hunted moose have to be the weakest animals I have witnessed when it comes to being shot. It doesnt take much and they are down..nothing like elk or even deer.
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I really like 200 grain accubonds. I shoot them out of my .300 win mags.
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I really like 200 grain accubonds. I shoot them out of my .300 win mags.
:yeah: 200 grain accubonds for the win.
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I like the 180 gr E-tip out of my 300 weatherby moose in Canada and 7 africian plains game and a couple mule deer
The E-tip is a great all around bullet Been to Africa 300 win mag twice numerous deer and elk usually about 90% retention no 200 grn is going to hold together that good partition's maybe 50% They shoot flat hid hard and hold together like a solid
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Use what you have confidence in. My choice is 180 Swift A-frame. I've killed moose with 180 grain NP out of 30-06 and 180 Swift A-frame and settled on the A-frame. The Swift A-frame has produced the most consistent terminal performance of any bullet I've tried, penetrating deeply and making a plenty big hole all the way. Boringly consistent. The Nosler partition is the gold standard of bullet performance on game, and compared to the Swift A-frame it makes a smaller wound channel, may penetrate more, but is not quite as consistent on either.
As said, moose are on the easier end of the tenacity-of-life spectrum, but they are so big that they can take awhile to keel over. An elk will use his last heartbeats to run into a canyon in the next county. A moose is more likely to brace his legs to stay on his feet and stand there till he drops. Unless you shoot him in the spine or brain, once he braces up like that no amount of shooting seems to knock them off of their feet.
Best of luck on your hunt!
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Barnes Tipped Triple Shock are the only way to go. I've been using Barnes exclusively for over 20 years and the only instance that I had of bullet failure was with the original X in 6mm on a big muley buck. I think that what guys perceive as the bullet not expanding is the relative small hole on the exit side. That is because the bullet does not come apart into fragments and blow a fist sixe hole on exit. That is the other major benefit that I use Barnes, no bloodshot meat unless bone fragments cause secondary projectiles. You can use lighter than normal bullets because they keep all that mass intact. The last animal I shot was with my 7Mag, 120 gr TTX into a sleeping 300lb hog at 40 yds. Bullet was recovered in the spine, weighed 119gr.
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Hope the Carpenter Road fire doesn't screw up your hunt. It is about ready to jump the Springdale/Hunters road, likely will before it stops!
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180 Scirocco's our of the 300 RUM are unbeatable. I have seem tons of brown bears, goats, and moose stopped in their tracks with that combination.
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Cant go wrong with a Nosler Partition. 165gr would be my choice. I'd also shoot the .308 over the 300 RUM as well.
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210 vld cause that's what I got
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I would choose a bullet that shots well over one that is the heaviest I could find. For my rifle, that would be the 168 tsx. I don't change bullets for North American game, that will take anything I want to hunt.
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Last year I watched moose die to both a 200 grain accubond out of a 300wsm and a 200 grain accubond out of a 30-06. The 30-06 got the job done quicker but the moose was smaller.
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180 tsx is what did the job on my bull.
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Another vote for the 180gr ttsx or tsx. I have been using those for years and have never failed me. I have personally taken 7 elk with them and only one ran more then 30 yards. The one that ran only made it 150 yards and that was from a poor shot from me.
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Most any modern well constructed bullet from 165grn on up will drop a moose as long as you can hit the vitals.
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First off thank you everyone for the great advice. Since the 300RUM brass is so hard to find I bought 2 boxes of nosler premium loaded with 210 LR Accubonds 66$ each at sportsmans warehouse and 2 boxes of Remington premier lvl 3 with the 200 gr swift a frame 38$ on clearance (there was about 10 more boxes at this price cabelas Lacey)I will use these to break in the barrel and I can hunt with whatever one shoots better just in case I don't get enough time to properly find a good hand load. But to me it is so much more real shooting with the bullet you put the time in for as in the ONE! All you handloaders know what I'm talking about, when the stars align. So I will be hitting the range every chance I get to get her dialed in.
Shaun
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I don't get the fascination with huge blown out exit holes. I don't need to see a huge six inch bruised circle around a gory ragged hole to tell me my bullet did a good job and my critter is dead.
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I'd go with the Swift A Frames over the Long Range Accubonds for sure, even if the accuracy wasn't as good. How accurate do you really need to be for a target the size of a moose? I haven't used them, but the LR Accubonds are made to work at low velocities. If you're within 300 yards, especially with an Ultra Mag, I wouldn't expect to see very good performance.
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First off thank you everyone for the great advice. Since the 300RUM brass is so hard to find I bought 2 boxes of nosler premium loaded with 210 LR Accubonds 66$ each at sportsmans warehouse and 2 boxes of Remington premier lvl 3 with the 200 gr swift a frame 38$ on clearance (there was about 10 more boxes at this price cabelas Lacey)I will use these to break in the barrel and I can hunt with whatever one shoots better just in case I don't get enough time to properly find a good hand load. But to me it is so much more real shooting with the bullet you put the time in for as in the ONE! All you handloaders know what I'm talking about, when the stars align. So I will be hitting the range every chance I get to get her dialed in.
Shaun
I don't think you could go wrong with either that you got. Both are good bullets. You should hurry and shoot them a frames and if your gun likes them buy all cabelas has! That's a screaming deal!
Again it really doesn't matter as moose aren't hard to kill. I just like big heavy bullets personally.
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I have shot a moose, and been on numerous hunts where moose were shot and just don't see how any bullet accepted for big game hunting wouldn't work when put where it should be. These things just stand there and take shots till they fall over dead.
Well, the person who started this thread obviously wanted opinions on what bullet he should choose for his moose hunt. If he felt that just any bullet would work, then I guess he wouldn't have needed to ask the question.
Also, you stated any bullet would work if "it was put where it should be." That's the thing- I prefer a bullet that still works well if it's NOT put in the ideal spot. If I hit a shoulder, I still want a bullet that will penetrate to the lungs, and not leave lead shrapnel throughout the meat.
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Bobcat thanks for the advice. And that is a screaming deal on the a-frames at 38$ a box, that's why I posted it to help some others out :tup:
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I've personally seen or personally shot a total of 8 Moose with Nosler Accubonds, they work very well. Calibers ranged from 7RUM to 325wsm, and all bullets held together. My biggest was my 55" Canadian bull that was shot at around 80-100 yards, angling away shot with a 325wsm with 200gr Accubonds. Hit last rib going in and broke off side shoulder going out. Ran like a whitetail for 75 yards and crumped. My 45" Washington Moose was shot at 290 yards, through and through at the lungs, he took two jumps and stood with just a neck shot presented, took the shot and anchored him with a broken neck, bullet pulverized 2 neck vertebra and passed through, also with my 325wsm and 200gr accubonds. Your 300RUM with 180 or 200gr accubonds will do fine.
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270 with a 140 grain trophy bonded bear claw bullet :tup:
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Ttsx or partition for under 400
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The Canadian that my Dad hunted with in Alberta back in the late 60's used a 30-30. Don't think that moose are that tough of an animal to kill.
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pretty tough to beat a accubond or a sst
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I would shoot 180 grain Partitions for 30 cal. I have shot 3 moose in Alaska and all were one shot with 130 grain partition out of my 270. That was all back in the 1970's when the 270 was all I had.
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Nosler 180 or 200 grain AB's
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I shoot 180 gr accubonds, and also triple shocks out of my RUM. Never a moose, but it sure pummels elk. I can't imagine they wouldn't do the job on a moose. :twocents:
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pending the fires stop and the rain starts i will be entering the woods to fill my any moose tag oct 1.my 308 has been giving me problems that i was going to use so I recently decided to get a 300 RUM sendero that i will bring to battle with me and i am getting ready to do load development for. I usually go straight for the nosler accubond as i have had lots of success. but that might not happen cause 1 i cant find the 200 accubond or 210 long range accubonds anywhere. 2 i dont plan on taking that far of a shot, mabey 400 yards max so i don't need the super high bc bullets.
just trying to pick some brains on good heavy bullets
Thanks, Shaun White
If your gonna go big, GO BIG! 220gr Partition. Or just shoot some 130gr TTSX in your .308...